Democrat group advocating to replace Biden?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like the consensus is the Biden is the one who can defeat Trump. But does anyone else feel like Dems need a back up plan?

Folks, if Trump drops dead or somehow winds up in jail, Republicans can nominate Haley. And I think she would soundly defeat Biden. I think Dems are screwed if Haley is the nominee.

I feel like they should at least have someone waiting in the wings for that scenario. It's not entirely implausible.

As a democrat, I don’t fear Haley as president. I fear a second Trump term. If Trump drops dead and Haley is the nominee, the race would be closer, and if Haley won, it wouldn’t be catastrophic.

That said I don’t think Haley would win a general election. Voters continue to reject republicans for overturning Roe v wade and for the damage Trump has done to the party.

I do think Dems need a better back up plan for Biden than Kamala Harris though.

Do you think Project 2025 only goes forward if Trump is the president? If so, you are truly naive.

[Anonymous]

I think the ruling class that pulls the strings behind the scenes wants Trump in place. Tbis is how they structured the whole thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the consensus is the Biden is the one who can defeat Trump. But does anyone else feel like Dems need a back up plan?

Folks, if Trump drops dead or somehow winds up in jail, Republicans can nominate Haley. And I think she would soundly defeat Biden. I think Dems are screwed if Haley is the nominee.

I feel like they should at least have someone waiting in the wings for that scenario. It's not entirely implausible.

We have a back up. It's called Vice President.

[Anonymous]

This whole generation needs to go.

Remember what this generation of leaders inherited: the world at America’s feet after the fall of the USSR, a Russia eating out of our hand, a China with a GDP less than 7% of America’s (in 1991).

And then, any mistakes we made in the ‘90s were wiped away by 9/11, when the whole world - Russia, China, even Iran - was offering genuine sympathy and ready to renew relations.

An even halfway competent leadership class could’ve firmly established America’s leadership position for the next hundred years just by picking the lowest hanging fruit, but instead ours squandered it all in a few decades.

The fruits of this generation in American leadership is: quagmire in Afghanistan, war in Iraq under false pretenses, declining life expectancy, demographic collapse in the West.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi are there any democratic advocacy group/s lobbying for Biden to be replaced? Are there any such local groups?

Lots of anti maga groups and anti trump. Any anti Biden, from within Democratic Party?

Let’s not be like the republicans who feared criticizing trump. Where’s the honest reflection and pivoting away from someone not fit for office.

The Presidency is so much bigger than a single person. The entire Biden Administration is filled with serious, competent people. People keep trying to make his gaffes a thing but really, its not. There was thread last month about the magical mythical Dem, no one could come up with a name. Polling shows the closest contender is Michelle Obama. That shows how unserious this effort is.

Democrats continue to outperform despite what polls want us to believe. Biden not polling great is irrelevant. Don’t compare him to the Almighty, compare him to the alternative.

And you lost in 2016 with this philosophy.

Scoreboard.

but won in 2020

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much senile boomerism on this thread. Do you people learn anything?

Unfortunately, those are the two choices: both are senile, both have senior moments, but only one doesn't read intelligent reports and needs picture books to understand anything; kowtows to dictators and wants to be a dictator himself (Trump).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole generation needs to go.

Remember what this generation of leaders inherited: the world at America’s feet after the fall of the USSR, a Russia eating out of our hand, a China with a GDP less than 7% of America’s (in 1991).

And then, any mistakes we made in the ‘90s were wiped away by 9/11, when the whole world - Russia, China, even Iran - was offering genuine sympathy and ready to renew relations.

An even halfway competent leadership class could’ve firmly established America’s leadership position for the next hundred years just by picking the lowest hanging fruit, but instead ours squandered it all in a few decades.

The fruits of this generation in American leadership is: quagmire in Afghanistan, war in Iraq under false pretenses, declining life expectancy, demographic collapse in the West.

This is a great point. It is apparent that the quality of leadership in our Federal Government has deteriorated in recent decades. I will stop short of saying the whole generation needs to go as there are some high quality individuals with genuinely good intent mixed in with our collective bunch of elected government officials. Partisanship has always reared it's ugly head in our two party system but throughout most of our nation's history, we've been able to rely on our government to function as it should while addressing key issues of the time and solving problems that can be solved through legislation. Why has there been a decline in government leadership and functionality? Our two major political parties and their network of wealthy donors have steadily gained more and more of a controlling influence over which candidates the American people have as viable options to vote for and I think this trend could have a lot to do with the decline. The candidate that has the most support from the most wealthy and powerful entities is often times not the the most qualified, best fit person for the role in government they are seeking. A small network of powerful and wealthy people/entities having way more than their fair share of influence in politics has to be a deterrent for many of our best and brightest people that may have otherwise chosen to enter the political arena in a different era.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much senile boomerism on this thread. Do you people learn anything?

Unfortunately, those are the two choices: both are senile, both have senior moments, but only one doesn't read intelligent reports and needs picture books to understand anything; kowtows to dictators and wants to be a dictator himself (Trump).

Senile boomer, you need to think about these problems much more broadly and much deeply. The framing of ‘just two choices’ ruins the conversation. If you don’t figure that out and engage in a better way, you risk others harnessing the moment for their ends which might result in something much worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much senile boomerism on this thread. Do you people learn anything?

Unfortunately, those are the two choices: both are senile, both have senior moments, but only one doesn't read intelligent reports and needs picture books to understand anything; kowtows to dictators and wants to be a dictator himself (Trump).

Senile boomer, you need to think about these problems much more broadly and much deeply. The framing of ‘just two choices’ ruins the conversation. If you don’t figure that out and engage in a better way, you risk others harnessing the moment for their ends which might result in something much worse.

There is no momentum. I was hoping that the nevertrumpsers would bring out a viable 3rd candidate. That didn't happen. There is no Dem that people can coalesce around If a Bernie Sanders type were to run, it would only hurt Dems, not Rs.

2024 election is right around the corner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much senile boomerism on this thread. Do you people learn anything?

Unfortunately, those are the two choices: both are senile, both have senior moments, but only one doesn't read intelligent reports and needs picture books to understand anything; kowtows to dictators and wants to be a dictator himself (Trump).

Senile boomer, you need to think about these problems much more broadly and much deeply. The framing of ‘just two choices’ ruins the conversation. If you don’t figure that out and engage in a better way, you risk others harnessing the moment for their ends which might result in something much worse.

Dp- grow the F up. If you want something else do the work. Start at the grass roots and do the work. Quit asking to jump in on the group project that you contributed nothing to, the morning it’s due.

[Anonymous]

I have these regular talks with my MS kid who feels that a C should be acceptable as it is an average grade.

I keep telling him - if he doesn't aim for an A, he's never gonna get the A. Worse, aiming for a C, he's likely to get a D/F.

I don't understand you people. It's not about whether Biden can beat Trump - it's about - why would you want an 81 yr old guy who is losing his mind to become Prez again for 4 more years?!! No good can come of this! It doesn't matter if he's "better" than nothing or than Trump or not doing that badly now. Come on people - don't be morons - hear him talk and look at him. Face the reality that at best he is a C candidate (I actually think he's an F and so is Trump) but why wouldn't you want to do something about getting an A candidate in?

People have such low expectations, I have every confidence this country is sinking. 10 years, this country will totally suck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole generation needs to go.

Remember what this generation of leaders inherited: the world at America’s feet after the fall of the USSR, a Russia eating out of our hand, a China with a GDP less than 7% of America’s (in 1991).

And then, any mistakes we made in the ‘90s were wiped away by 9/11, when the whole world - Russia, China, even Iran - was offering genuine sympathy and ready to renew relations.

An even halfway competent leadership class could’ve firmly established America’s leadership position for the next hundred years just by picking the lowest hanging fruit, but instead ours squandered it all in a few decades.

The fruits of this generation in American leadership is: quagmire in Afghanistan, war in Iraq under false pretenses, declining life expectancy, demographic collapse in the West.

+as many as I can muster

It’s not just that they’ve done wrong, it’s that almost all got away with it and were in many cases subsequently promoted. What a sh!t show!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much senile boomerism on this thread. Do you people learn anything?

Unfortunately, those are the two choices: both are senile, both have senior moments, but only one doesn't read intelligent reports and needs picture books to understand anything; kowtows to dictators and wants to be a dictator himself (Trump).

Senile boomer, you need to think about these problems much more broadly and much deeply. The framing of ‘just two choices’ ruins the conversation. If you don’t figure that out and engage in a better way, you risk others harnessing the moment for their ends which might result in something much worse.

There is no momentum. I was hoping that the nevertrumpsers would bring out a viable 3rd candidate. That didn't happen. There is no Dem that people can coalesce around If a Bernie Sanders type were to run, it would only hurt Dems, not Rs.

2024 election is right around the corner.

You are rationalizing avoiding the harsh realities. Instead of thinking we’re baked into one path, you need to question your assumptions, pronto.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much senile boomerism on this thread. Do you people learn anything?

Unfortunately, those are the two choices: both are senile, both have senior moments, but only one doesn't read intelligent reports and needs picture books to understand anything; kowtows to dictators and wants to be a dictator himself (Trump).

Senile boomer, you need to think about these problems much more broadly and much deeply. The framing of ‘just two choices’ ruins the conversation. If you don’t figure that out and engage in a better way, you risk others harnessing the moment for their ends which might result in something much worse.

Dp- grow the F up. If you want something else do the work. Start at the grass roots and do the work. Quit asking to jump in on the group project that you contributed nothing to, the morning it’s due.

Clearly you are the one who needs to grow up. Avoiding the harsh realities of the recent past is why we’re here. If you think we’re actually fighting authoritarianism, calling out Biden (who *clearly* should be removed!) and hastening new political dynamics is the obvious way forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole generation needs to go.

Remember what this generation of leaders inherited: the world at America’s feet after the fall of the USSR, a Russia eating out of our hand, a China with a GDP less than 7% of America’s (in 1991).

And then, any mistakes we made in the ‘90s were wiped away by 9/11, when the whole world - Russia, China, even Iran - was offering genuine sympathy and ready to renew relations.

An even halfway competent leadership class could’ve firmly established America’s leadership position for the next hundred years just by picking the lowest hanging fruit, but instead ours squandered it all in a few decades.

The fruits of this generation in American leadership is: quagmire in Afghanistan, war in Iraq under false pretenses, declining life expectancy, demographic collapse in the West.

Another +1
I can't think of a historical analogy that can match this meteoric decline. Most empires stay on top longer and take far longer to crash than what we are seeing. Its American exceptionalism, but not in a good way.