Jewish purity laws/marital sex laws

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

This is a made up thing like a hole in the sheet.

Nope- it is not made up. Yes, Rabbis do check cloths to determine blood vs. whatever else, as a service.

[Anonymous]

One would think with IG and recent streaming franchises, more people would be more familiar with some of these religious lifestyles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

It's not really about what the whole religion thinks. Judaism is not a monolith. Most Jews in the world live in the secular world where there is no issue with LGBTQ + at all.

Orthodox Jews live and practice as fundamentalists, so like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, it is not accepted.

I know plenty of people who are not religious who don’t accept LGBTQ +.

Of course, and I know those people too- (and I know some orthodox Jews who privatel) accept LGBTQ) , but the question wasn't about who, individually, is a homophobe, is that not correct? The question had to do with Judaism's organizational stance. I stand by my answer.

I didn’t know conservative Jewish people are homophobic bigots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

It's not really about what the whole religion thinks. Judaism is not a monolith. Most Jews in the world live in the secular world where there is no issue with LGBTQ + at all.

Orthodox Jews live and practice as fundamentalists, so like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, it is not accepted.

I know plenty of people who are not religious who don’t accept LGBTQ +.

Of course, and I know those people too- (and I know some orthodox Jews who privatel) accept LGBTQ) , but the question wasn't about who, individually, is a homophobe, is that not correct? The question had to do with Judaism's organizational stance. I stand by my answer.

I didn’t know conservative Jewish people are homophobic bigots.

Well, what is hard to understand? Like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, they believe in biblical edicts. It's really no different. However, the majority of Jewish people in the world are not observant in this way, just like the majority of people in thd world don't ascribe to Christian or other fundamentalism.

And just to clarify, outside of what is known as Jewish orthodoxy, there are distinctions such as Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative. So even though that distinction is called "Conservative" they really aren't conservative in the way that you think. Conservative Judaism per se (not to be confused with orthodox Judaism) doesn't negate LGBTQ +.

And within orthodox Judaism, there are likely plenty of individuals who stand up for LGTBQ + rights and people, I've seen that, but probably not as vocally as one would want, however they wouldn't have a place being queer themselves in this religious realm. I imagine there are many LGBTQ+ individuals within the community living a charade- just like in every religious group. Everyone knows that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

It's not really about what the whole religion thinks. Judaism is not a monolith. Most Jews in the world live in the secular world where there is no issue with LGBTQ + at all.

Orthodox Jews live and practice as fundamentalists, so like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, it is not accepted.

I know plenty of people who are not religious who don’t accept LGBTQ +.

Of course, and I know those people too- (and I know some orthodox Jews who privatel) accept LGBTQ) , but the question wasn't about who, individually, is a homophobe, is that not correct? The question had to do with Judaism's organizational stance. I stand by my answer.

I didn’t know conservative Jewish people are homophobic bigots.

Well, what is hard to understand? Like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, they believe in biblical edicts. It's really no different. However, the majority of Jewish people in the world are not observant in this way, just like the majority of people in thd world don't ascribe to Christian or other fundamentalism.

And just to clarify, outside of what is known as Jewish orthodoxy, there are distinctions such as Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative. So even though that distinction is called "Conservative" they really aren't conservative in the way that you think. Conservative Judaism per se (not to be confused with orthodox Judaism) doesn't negate LGBTQ +.

And within orthodox Judaism, there are likely plenty of individuals who stand up for LGTBQ + rights and people, I've seen that, but probably not as vocally as one would want, however they wouldn't have a place being queer themselves in this religious realm. I imagine there are many LGBTQ+ individuals within the community living a charade- just like in every religious group. Everyone knows that.

The bible is against LGBTQ+?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

This is a made up thing like a hole in the sheet.

Nope- it is not made up. Yes, Rabbis do check cloths to determine blood vs. whatever else, as a service.

No, rabbis do not do this, for glaringly obvious reasons.

Why would a woman need a rabbi's help, or any man's help, for this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hefsek_taharah

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One would think with IG and recent streaming franchises, more people would be more familiar with some of these religious lifestyles.

Miriam Ezagui on IG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Ezagui

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

This is a made up thing like a hole in the sheet.

Nope- it is not made up. Yes, Rabbis do check cloths to determine blood vs. whatever else, as a service.

No, rabbis do not do this, for glaringly obvious reasons.

Why would a woman need a rabbi's help, or any man's help, for this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hefsek_taharah

You are incorrect. It is easy to look up but wikipedia wouldn't be a source for most because you might not understand the terminology with which to search. You'd have to understand the family purity laws within this community and the context around them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niddah

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One would think with IG and recent streaming franchises, more people would be more familiar with some of these religious lifestyles.

Miriam Ezagui on IG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Ezagui

One of many.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

No I did not know those things about Jewish people.

Those rules seem extreme, what is the reason for them?

Read all the posts on DCUM about the sexless marriages or worse, occasionally, the posts about the husbands who force sex on their spouse. Then you’ll start to catch on…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

No I did not know those things about Jewish people.

Those rules seem extreme, what is the reason for them?

Read all the posts on DCUM about the sexless marriages or worse, occasionally, the posts about the husbands who force sex on their spouse. Then you’ll start to catch on…

Nah, the reason is entirely that some people, within all cultures and religions, believe the bible to be literal and practice it that way. If you want to dig deep in to history, a previous poster here surmised the reason behind many religious laws, food & hygiene, had to do with sanitary issues at the time and that is likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

No I did not know those things about Jewish people.

Those rules seem extreme, what is the reason for them?

Read all the posts on DCUM about the sexless marriages or worse, occasionally, the posts about the husbands who force sex on their spouse. Then you’ll start to catch on…

Except there's still plenty of those things within the community and other
very religiouscommunities. Social media is making that harder to keep quiet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

This is a made up thing like a hole in the sheet.

Nope- it is not made up. Yes, Rabbis do check cloths to determine blood vs. whatever else, as a service.

No, rabbis do not do this, for glaringly obvious reasons.

Why would a woman need a rabbi's help, or any man's help, for this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hefsek_taharah

You are incorrect. It is easy to look up but wikipedia wouldn't be a source for most because you might not understand the terminology with which to search. You'd have to understand the family purity laws within this community and the context around them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niddah

That's not the rabbi "checking the woman out". That's the rabbi counseling on how to decide whether a stain or unknown origin is menstrual blood or not, if the woman is uncertain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

This is a made up thing like a hole in the sheet.

Nope- it is not made up. Yes, Rabbis do check cloths to determine blood vs. whatever else, as a service.

No, rabbis do not do this, for glaringly obvious reasons.

Why would a woman need a rabbi's help, or any man's help, for this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hefsek_taharah

You are incorrect. It is easy to look up but wikipedia wouldn't be a source for most because you might not understand the terminology with which to search. You'd have to understand the family purity laws within this community and the context around them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niddah

That's not the rabbi "checking the woman out". That's the rabbi counseling on how to decide whether a stain or unknown origin is menstrual blood or not, if the woman is uncertain.

Nope, again. They do not "check the woman out." They are examining the cloth she uses to collect discharge. There is ample reading on this- I urge you to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Hmmmm, and yet a whole movement is currently happening among the orthodox right now where the women are refusing to go to the mikvah in attempt to coerce some random man to release his wife from marriage. They are legally unwed now, but the wife must receive a "get" to be free. She cannot remarry. Her children from any subsequent relationship will be considered bastards. She will be yes, committing adultery. Until she receives
a get, she is still married. Now without the purifying mikvah, no sex, because she must be deemed "clean" after menses. So, that is manipulation, no? And yet, there's so much irony here:

These women and the entire society collectively follow these manmade male rabbinical rules about a "get." They are victimized by their own system that they choose to follow. Rabbis can authorize a ton of things, but apparently not about dissolving a marriage? Why?

So, OP, before you think about practicing this, look into the larger context of it all. Why not make up your own rules for marriage, and do what works for you? You aren't orthodox, so why does this interest you? The purity rules are followed by fundamentalist practice, but not the entirety of Judaism as a culture.

Here is the story:
https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/orthodox-women-in-new-york-launch-sex-strike-to-protest-against-religious-divorce-sv8dxp5q

The alternative to the sex strike is for sympathetic men in the community to beat the fear of God into the man refusing the gett. That might have already happened and failed.

Just so we are clear, all the people have agreed to this system of marriage, where the men hold all the power over the women. And this edict remains while rabbis can decide a host of other things regarding birth control, child rearing, permissible clothing, internet use, etc., but not this. This law stays for whatever reason, so we know what the reason actually is. So to get around this law, the men should beat up the guy who has what looks like full authority over his wife, and they do this mainly because they aren't getting any nooky because their wives aren't ritually "clean" and the wives won't do that so maybe they'll beat up the "get witholder." And everyone thinks this is how things work. Is that correct?

Perhaps you missed my point, I don't know.

And just so we are clear - it is these people who control the far right wing in Israel, to whom we, the American taxpayers are beholden. Soon, they will make up more than a third of the Israeli population, based on all the demographic projections. We are paying our tax dollars to have billions in aid sent to Israel to be spent to support these radical orthodox practitioners ability to practice their religion freely, while they continue to settle and colonize and terrorize Palestinians. Just great. Exactly what we signed up for as Americans.