Jewish purity laws/marital sex laws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Hmmmm, and yet a whole movement is currently happening among the orthodox right now where the women are refusing to go to the mikvah in attempt to coerce some random man to release his wife from marriage. They are legally unwed now, but the wife must receive a "get" to be free. She cannot remarry. Her children from any subsequent relationship will be considered bastards. She will be yes, committing adultery. Until she receives
a get, she is still married. Now without the purifying mikvah, no sex, because she must be deemed "clean" after menses. So, that is manipulation, no? And yet, there's so much irony here:

These women and the entire society collectively follow these manmade male rabbinical rules about a "get." They are victimized by their own system that they choose to follow. Rabbis can authorize a ton of things, but apparently not about dissolving a marriage? Why?

So, OP, before you think about practicing this, look into the larger context of it all. Why not make up your own rules for marriage, and do what works for you? You aren't orthodox, so why does this interest you? The purity rules are followed by fundamentalist practice, but not the entirety of Judaism as a culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

No I did not know those things about Jewish people.

Those rules seem extreme, what is the reason for them?

Religious patriarchy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

What make sense in particular?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Hmmmm, and yet a whole movement is currently happening among the orthodox right now where the women are refusing to go to the mikvah in attempt to coerce some random man to release his wife from marriage. They are legally unwed now, but the wife must receive a "get" to be free. She cannot remarry. Her children from any subsequent relationship will be considered bastards. She will be yes, committing adultery. Until she receives
a get, she is still married. Now without the purifying mikvah, no sex, because she must be deemed "clean" after menses. So, that is manipulation, no? And yet, there's so much irony here:

These women and the entire society collectively follow these manmade male rabbinical rules about a "get." They are victimized by their own system that they choose to follow. Rabbis can authorize a ton of things, but apparently not about dissolving a marriage? Why?

So, OP, before you think about practicing this, look into the larger context of it all. Why not make up your own rules for marriage, and do what works for you? You aren't orthodox, so why does this interest you? The purity rules are followed by fundamentalist practice, but not the entirety of Judaism as a culture.

Here is the story:
https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/orthodox-women-in-new-york-launch-sex-strike-to-protest-against-religious-divorce-sv8dxp5q

[Anonymous]

I think the reason for various rules (Islam and Christianity have them too) is they were made way before modern science and hygiene. For example, washing before the day of prayer -- back then, people didn't take daily showers so this was to ensure people were clean. Same with mikvah. Sort of useless in modern society where people shower at least once a day anyway. Same with that stuff about women on their periods -- I bet they didn't have tampons or good menstrual pads back then.

Or banning certain foods -- because those animals were "unclean" (yet today, people can for example eat pork without issue, since we can safely store and prepare it).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the reason for various rules (Islam and Christianity have them too) is they were made way before modern science and hygiene. For example, washing before the day of prayer -- back then, people didn't take daily showers so this was to ensure people were clean. Same with mikvah. Sort of useless in modern society where people shower at least once a day anyway. Same with that stuff about women on their periods -- I bet they didn't have tampons or good menstrual pads back then.

Or banning certain foods -- because those animals were "unclean" (yet today, people can for example eat pork without issue, since we can safely store and prepare it).

Yes, but today's followers (Christian / Jewish, Moslem)believe in scripture regardless of what may have been behind these laws, so in the end it is religious belief. My question is, if one isn't religious why follow religious practices? Still wondering about OP's intent here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Hmmmm, and yet a whole movement is currently happening among the orthodox right now where the women are refusing to go to the mikvah in attempt to coerce some random man to release his wife from marriage. They are legally unwed now, but the wife must receive a "get" to be free. She cannot remarry. Her children from any subsequent relationship will be considered bastards. She will be yes, committing adultery. Until she receives
a get, she is still married. Now without the purifying mikvah, no sex, because she must be deemed "clean" after menses. So, that is manipulation, no? And yet, there's so much irony here:

These women and the entire society collectively follow these manmade male rabbinical rules about a "get." They are victimized by their own system that they choose to follow. Rabbis can authorize a ton of things, but apparently not about dissolving a marriage? Why?

So, OP, before you think about practicing this, look into the larger context of it all. Why not make up your own rules for marriage, and do what works for you? You aren't orthodox, so why does this interest you? The purity rules are followed by fundamentalist practice, but not the entirety of Judaism as a culture.

Here is the story:
https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/orthodox-women-in-new-york-launch-sex-strike-to-protest-against-religious-divorce-sv8dxp5q

The alternative to the sex strike is for sympathetic men in the community to beat the fear of God into the man refusing the gett. That might have already happened and failed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the reason for various rules (Islam and Christianity have them too) is they were made way before modern science and hygiene. For example, washing before the day of prayer -- back then, people didn't take daily showers so this was to ensure people were clean. Same with mikvah. Sort of useless in modern society where people shower at least once a day anyway. Same with that stuff about women on their periods -- I bet they didn't have tampons or good menstrual pads back then.

Or banning certain foods -- because those animals were "unclean" (yet today, people can for example eat pork without issue, since we can safely store and prepare it).

Yes, but today's followers (Christian / Jewish, Moslem)believe in scripture regardless of what may have been behind these laws, so in the end it is religious belief. My question is, if one isn't religious why follow religious practices? Still wondering about OP's intent here.

Why learn about anything? Some of the 10Billion people who lives before is had some good ideas. Shocking, I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the reason for various rules (Islam and Christianity have them too) is they were made way before modern science and hygiene. For example, washing before the day of prayer -- back then, people didn't take daily showers so this was to ensure people were clean. Same with mikvah. Sort of useless in modern society where people shower at least once a day anyway. Same with that stuff about women on their periods -- I bet they didn't have tampons or good menstrual pads back then.

Or banning certain foods -- because those animals were "unclean" (yet today, people can for example eat pork without issue, since we can safely store and prepare it).

Yes, but today's followers (Christian / Jewish, Moslem)believe in scripture regardless of what may have been behind these laws, so in the end it is religious belief. My question is, if one isn't religious why follow religious practices? Still wondering about OP's intent here.

Why learn about anything? Some of the 10Billion people who lives before is had some good ideas. Shocking, I know.

Stoning women was one of those ideas.

And I don't think she's just interested in learning, she wants to practice this. Again, my question in why since she is not orthodox? One would actually have to believe this in order to follow it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Christians were the religious people who had lots of rules about sex? Jewish people have rules about sex even after marriage?

Really? you don'r know about orthodox Jewish practices? The baths? No sex during a period? woman must be clean as verified by sometimes a rabbi if there is a question, and so on? Sex on Fridays?

What are the sex laws in Orthodox Judaism?
A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Hmmmm, and yet a whole movement is currently happening among the orthodox right now where the women are refusing to go to the mikvah in attempt to coerce some random man to release his wife from marriage. They are legally unwed now, but the wife must receive a "get" to be free. She cannot remarry. Her children from any subsequent relationship will be considered bastards. She will be yes, committing adultery. Until she receives
a get, she is still married. Now without the purifying mikvah, no sex, because she must be deemed "clean" after menses. So, that is manipulation, no? And yet, there's so much irony here:

These women and the entire society collectively follow these manmade male rabbinical rules about a "get." They are victimized by their own system that they choose to follow. Rabbis can authorize a ton of things, but apparently not about dissolving a marriage? Why?

So, OP, before you think about practicing this, look into the larger context of it all. Why not make up your own rules for marriage, and do what works for you? You aren't orthodox, so why does this interest you? The purity rules are followed by fundamentalist practice, but not the entirety of Judaism as a culture.

Here is the story:
https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/orthodox-women-in-new-york-launch-sex-strike-to-protest-against-religious-divorce-sv8dxp5q

The alternative to the sex strike is for sympathetic men in the community to beat the fear of God into the man refusing the gett. That might have already happened and failed.

Just so we are clear, all the people have agreed to this system of marriage, where the men hold all the power over the women. And this edict remains while rabbis can decide a host of other things regarding birth control, child rearing, permissible clothing, internet use, etc., but not this. This law stays for whatever reason, so we know what the reason actually is. So to get around this law, the men should beat up the guy who has what looks like full authority over his wife, and they do this mainly because they aren't getting any nooky because their wives aren't ritually "clean" and the wives won't do that so maybe they'll beat up the "get witholder." And everyone thinks this is how things work. Is that correct?

Perhaps you missed my point, I don't know.

[Anonymous]

What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

It's not really about what the whole religion thinks. Judaism is not a monolith. Most Jews in the world live in the secular world where there is no issue with LGBTQ + at all.

Orthodox Jews live and practice as fundamentalists, so like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, it is not accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the exception of the rabbi checking the woman out to ensure cleanliness, the other “rules” make sense to me.

This is a made up thing like a hole in the sheet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

It's not really about what the whole religion thinks. Judaism is not a monolith. Most Jews in the world live in the secular world where there is no issue with LGBTQ + at all.

Orthodox Jews live and practice as fundamentalists, so like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, it is not accepted.

I know plenty of people who are not religious who don’t accept LGBTQ +.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do Jewish people think about LGTBQ people?

It's not really about what the whole religion thinks. Judaism is not a monolith. Most Jews in the world live in the secular world where there is no issue with LGBTQ + at all.

Orthodox Jews live and practice as fundamentalists, so like Christian and Moslem fundamentalists, it is not accepted.

I know plenty of people who are not religious who don’t accept LGBTQ +.

Of course, and I know those people too- (and I know some orthodox Jews who privatel) accept LGBTQ) , but the question wasn't about who, individually, is a homophobe, is that not correct? The question had to do with Judaism's organizational stance. I stand by my answer.