Jerusalem Terror Attack

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."

Military checkpoints are legitimate targets. Isn't that the IDF's excuse when the kill civilians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."

Well that’s one less IDF soldier to terrorize/kill Palestinians. He should have chosen an occupation that doesn’t involve apartheid.

I am pro ceasefire. However, this sort of callous disregard for life will not get us to a peaceful solution, we need to work together to reach that position. We all need to start dousing this fire of hatred instead of adding more logs to it.

The pro ceasefire side is made up of people who are either 1) pro Hamas, 2) anti Israel 3) anti semitic 4) perhaps well enough intentioned but biased people who are naive enough to think there can be (another) ceasefire in which Hamas doesn’t surrender. Most of the latter group are probably new to giving any sense of crap about the Arab Israeli conflict, get their news from sites ridden with misinformation like Twitter and Instagram, or heavily biased sources like the BBC or the NYT, and have no historical knowledge about the plethora of ceasefires Israel has made with Hamas and Hamas has broken, or of the multiple offers for a two state solution that Palestinians have rejected, time and again, because many extremists within their movement won’t accept the existence of Israel in any form, and because they start intifadas to stop the process each time.

After 10/7, hamas cannot be allowed to exist. It is (another) war crime that hamas have designed their infrastructure so that they cannot be reached without going through their civilian population to reach them.

I do believe, PP, that you are well intentioned and thank you for having humanity for life on both sides of the conflict. I just think your POV on a ceasefire is naive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."

Well that’s one less IDF soldier to terrorize/kill Palestinians. He should have chosen an occupation that doesn’t involve apartheid.

I am pro ceasefire. However, this sort of callous disregard for life will not get us to a peaceful solution, we need to work together to reach that position. We all need to start dousing this fire of hatred instead of adding more logs to it.

The pro ceasefire side is made up of people who are either 1) pro Hamas, 2) anti Israel 3) anti semitic 4) perhaps well enough intentioned but biased people who are naive enough to think there can be (another) ceasefire in which Hamas doesn’t surrender. Most of the latter group are probably new to giving any sense of crap about the Arab Israeli conflict, get their news from sites ridden with misinformation like Twitter and Instagram, or heavily biased sources like the BBC or the NYT, and have no historical knowledge about the plethora of ceasefires Israel has made with Hamas and Hamas has broken, or of the multiple offers for a two state solution that Palestinians have rejected, time and again, because many extremists within their movement won’t accept the existence of Israel in any form, and because they start intifadas to stop the process each time.

After 10/7, hamas cannot be allowed to exist. It is (another) war crime that hamas have designed their infrastructure so that they cannot be reached without going through their civilian population to reach them.

I do believe, PP, that you are well intentioned and thank you for having humanity for life on both sides of the conflict. I just think your POV on a ceasefire is naive.

And also to mention- there can be NO ceasefire without releasing every single hostage that Hamas took who hasn’t already been executed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

How do you negotiate with terrorists? Hamas is a terrorist organization.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

How do you negotiate with terrorists? Hamas is a terrorist organization.

That's why Israel loves Hamas. The response to a question about West Bank settlements is, but Hamas even though Fatah (who has recognized Israel and is pro-peace) hold power in the West Bank. As long as Hamas was in power in a strip of land no one cared about, Israel had an excuse to take land that they did care about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

How do you negotiate with terrorists? Hamas is a terrorist organization.

That's why Israel loves Hamas. The response to a question about West Bank settlements is, but Hamas even though Fatah (who has recognized Israel and is pro-peace) hold power in the West Bank. As long as Hamas was in power in a strip of land no one cared about, Israel had an excuse to take land that they did care about.

Conspiracy theories seem to proliferate in our society these days. The idea that Israel loves Hamas is pure fantasy. I don’t think they like having random terrorist attacks from a group that vows to destroy Israel. You make no sense. The ultra orthodox settlers are a problem but to make them on the same level of Hamas is wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."

Well that’s one less IDF soldier to terrorize/kill Palestinians. He should have chosen an occupation that doesn’t involve apartheid.

I am pro ceasefire. However, this sort of callous disregard for life will not get us to a peaceful solution, we need to work together to reach that position. We all need to start dousing this fire of hatred instead of adding more logs to it.

The pro ceasefire side is made up of people who are either 1) pro Hamas, 2) anti Israel 3) anti semitic 4) perhaps well enough intentioned but biased people who are naive enough to think there can be (another) ceasefire in which Hamas doesn’t surrender. Most of the latter group are probably new to giving any sense of crap about the Arab Israeli conflict, get their news from sites ridden with misinformation like Twitter and Instagram, or heavily biased sources like the BBC or the NYT, and have no historical knowledge about the plethora of ceasefires Israel has made with Hamas and Hamas has broken, or of the multiple offers for a two state solution that Palestinians have rejected, time and again, because many extremists within their movement won’t accept the existence of Israel in any form, and because they start intifadas to stop the process each time.

After 10/7, hamas cannot be allowed to exist. It is (another) war crime that hamas have designed their infrastructure so that they cannot be reached without going through their civilian population to reach them.

I do believe, PP, that you are well intentioned and thank you for having humanity for life on both sides of the conflict. I just think your POV on a ceasefire is naive.

+1 it can't be a ceasefire that only one side agrees to or will abide by. hamas wants as much death as possible - they have no reason to agree to a ceasefire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

How do you negotiate with terrorists? Hamas is a terrorist organization.

That's why Israel loves Hamas. The response to a question about West Bank settlements is, but Hamas even though Fatah (who has recognized Israel and is pro-peace) hold power in the West Bank. As long as Hamas was in power in a strip of land no one cared about, Israel had an excuse to take land that they did care about.

Conspiracy theories seem to proliferate in our society these days. The idea that Israel loves Hamas is pure fantasy. I don’t think they like having random terrorist attacks from a group that vows to destroy Israel. You make no sense. The ultra orthodox settlers are a problem but to make them on the same level of Hamas is wrong.

From 2019

"The prime minister also said that, “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state."

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

How do you negotiate with terrorists? Hamas is a terrorist organization.

They’ve literally had decades to work something out. Now, they’re killing babies and starving children, leading to a whole new generation of people ripe for radicalization.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."

Well that’s one less IDF soldier to terrorize/kill Palestinians. He should have chosen an occupation that doesn’t involve apartheid.

I am pro ceasefire. However, this sort of callous disregard for life will not get us to a peaceful solution, we need to work together to reach that position. We all need to start dousing this fire of hatred instead of adding more logs to it.

The pro ceasefire side is made up of people who are either 1) pro Hamas, 2) anti Israel 3) anti semitic 4) perhaps well enough intentioned but biased people who are naive enough to think there can be (another) ceasefire in which Hamas doesn’t surrender. Most of the latter group are probably new to giving any sense of crap about the Arab Israeli conflict, get their news from sites ridden with misinformation like Twitter and Instagram, or heavily biased sources like the BBC or the NYT, and have no historical knowledge about the plethora of ceasefires Israel has made with Hamas and Hamas has broken, or of the multiple offers for a two state solution that Palestinians have rejected, time and again, because many extremists within their movement won’t accept the existence of Israel in any form, and because they start intifadas to stop the process each time.

After 10/7, hamas cannot be allowed to exist. It is (another) war crime that hamas have designed their infrastructure so that they cannot be reached without going through their civilian population to reach them.

I do believe, PP, that you are well intentioned and thank you for having humanity for life on both sides of the conflict. I just think your POV on a ceasefire is naive.

All of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."

Well that’s one less IDF soldier to terrorize/kill Palestinians. He should have chosen an occupation that doesn’t involve apartheid.

I am pro ceasefire. However, this sort of callous disregard for life will not get us to a peaceful solution, we need to work together to reach that position. We all need to start dousing this fire of hatred instead of adding more logs to it.

Lol the same callous disregard for Palestinian life shown by the IDF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

Not when that "negotiation" means a cease fire that leaves many Hamas terrorists alive on their border to continue their terrorist ways.
These barbarians committed unthinkable atrocities on 10/7 and you expect Israel to just turn the other cheek and let these evil monsters continue to exist?

NP.. agree that Hamas are terrorists.

But, you didn't address the bolded. The continuing encroachment on Palestinian lands made them angry. There were discussions of a peace deal, but that ended because of the continued settlements that Israel allowed.

And you expect Palestine to just turn the other cheek? If someone squatted in your backyard, would you just ignore it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

Not when that "negotiation" means a cease fire that leaves many Hamas terrorists alive on their border to continue their terrorist ways.
These barbarians committed unthinkable atrocities on 10/7 and you expect Israel to just turn the other cheek and let these evil monsters continue to exist?

NP.. agree that Hamas are terrorists.

But, you didn't address the bolded. The continuing encroachment on Palestinian lands made them angry. There were discussions of a peace deal, but that ended because of the continued settlements that Israel allowed.

And you expect Palestine to just turn the other cheek? If someone squatted in your backyard, would you just ignore it?

When settlers kill Palestinians, they are Zionists reclaiming the land given to Abraham by God. When Palestinians resist, they are terrorists

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Hamas knows that Bibi is weak and Israel is overstretched. They are going to poke and prod to find the weak points and goad Bibi into another failure.

I really wish the Generals would just put him in a jail cell and be rid of him.

I hope you meant to say get rid of Hamas. Put them all in a jail cell or under the ground

I hope IDF destroys Hamas.

But Bibi belongs in a prison cell. He has allowed global antisemitism to be released in a manner not seen since Nazi Germany due to his dereliction of duty and his petty domestic problems of his own making - the West Bank settlers, tacitly supporting Hamas at the expense of Fatah, removing security from the Gazan border, etc - that distracted him from Israel’s security.

Hamas may be destroyed, but they’ve succeeded in rousing the sleeping giant that is global antisemitism. Horrific in hindsight.

It's evident you have a strong hatred for Netanyahu.
But, nothing he has done has "allowed global antisemitism to be released." They have ALWAYS wanted to rid the world of Jews. The antisemites displaying proudly their hate for Jews has always been there - they are just making it public now because they believe it is acceptable. When you have others marching alongside you spouting the same ugly rhetoric, you tend to believe what you think and say is just fine.
But, Netanyahu did not "cause" this.

Get over yourself. This victim complex that you clutch so dearly to your chest is ironically suffocating the rest of us.

Individually, you are a rounding error. Despite your moaning and groaning about the world having murderous feelings towards you, the reality is that most people don't care to have feelings about you one way or another. This good and evil dichotomy you want to force on everyone is tired, and frankly, it's really rooted in the disgusting tradition of viewing others as less than you, as not as special as you, as ordinary in comparison to your "chosen people" status.

There's exactly one region of the world where the locals have a problem with you, where you might have reason to have these kinds of feelings. Guess what? You chose to fight your way into that region to fulfill your fairytale Eretz Israel narrative. Stop dragging everyone else into your pity party.

First of all.... I am NOT a Jew.
And, I can see antisemitism where it exists and I see it loudly and proudly in your message. Unfortunately, that "region" of the world includes the US as is evident from your post and from the disgusting protests supporting Hamas.

Ah, yes. Textbook DARVO response we can always expect to see from many of these rounding errors who make it their life's work to shout down others with false claims. Like you, these mouth breathers preposterously defend the actions of the Butcher of Eretz Israel, his merry band of terrorists in the Knesset and the IDF, and themselves - bloodthirsty, chronic victim criers who support that bloody regime from here in the U.S.

The world needs to see you for the fraud you are. Your misuse and abuse of the anti-semitism label, swinging that cudgel around for everything and anything. It's meaningless. Contempt doesn't go far enough.

You might NOT be a JEW, but you are definitely a clown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole cycle of Hamas terrorism and Israel killing civilians in retaliation is not going to end. They all think they’re justified in doing it. This won’t end until they choose to work it out.

Yes, agree. Unfortunately, Israel is stuck killing civilians when Hamas uses them as human shields. The big takeaway is terrorists make terrible negotiating partners.

Israel doesn’t want to negotiate, nor do they want to stop settlements.

Not when that "negotiation" means a cease fire that leaves many Hamas terrorists alive on their border to continue their terrorist ways.
These barbarians committed unthinkable atrocities on 10/7 and you expect Israel to just turn the other cheek and let these evil monsters continue to exist?

NP.. agree that Hamas are terrorists.

But, you didn't address the bolded. The continuing encroachment on Palestinian lands made them angry. There were discussions of a peace deal, but that ended because of the continued settlements that Israel allowed.

And you expect Palestine to just turn the other cheek? If someone squatted in your backyard, would you just ignore it?

When settlers kill Palestinians, they are Zionists reclaiming the land given to Abraham by God. When Palestinians resist, they are terrorists

When settlers kill Palestinians, they are murderers living illegally on land that a reasonable government would realize it should have given up a long time ago if for no other reason than because it would improve security for Israel proper (I happen to think there are moral arguments for doing that, too, but it's also clear the occupation is actively making Israel less safe). They are also shandes.

When Palestinians kill Israeli civilians, they are also murderers, and they're fueling the insane arguments of the Israeli far right that there can be no such thing as coexistence on the land between two people who clearly aren't going anywhere.

You are correctly pointing out a double standard that some people want to employ, but in doing so, you're also perpetuating a zero-sum binary that really only serves Hamas and the messianic religious Zionist lunatics that pushed Likud into the majority in this Knesset.