teacher turnover in APS

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

SMART Restart had my kid's teachers terrified that they and their families were going to die if schools reopened even post-vaccination. My kid's teacher sobbed through parent teacher conferences is Feb 2021. One of the founders' kids is in my kid's class. Guess who had her all worked up? Yeah.

Oh good lord, just stop with your attacks. Smart Restart didn't oppose schools opening. Teachers were afraid of what was going to happen to them if schools reopened long before Smart Restart came on the scene. SR tried to advocate for the types of safety measures that would make teachers comfortable with re-opening. Teachers responded well to this. APE unfortunately did not. They just attacked SR. And is still doing that 2 years later!

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Anonymous wrote:I realize squabbling is fun, but are teachers actually citing APE as their reason for leaving? I would expect it's the usual reasons like life changes, high cost of living, crappy bosses, etc.

No, but I do think they're leaving because they feel a lack of support from APS. There was a ton of administrative incompetence about who had to return to the classroom, when they had to return, who got vaccinated first, what they rules were once they returned, etc. APE and Smart Restart fueled hysteria, but it was APS administration that failed to lead and plan. Teachers got jerked around by APS.

Then the same stuff happened with curriculum roll outs and new tech platforms. Lots of mismanagement by Duran et al.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

DP. Somebody on this forum always claims there's an APE supporter who keeps piping in. It seems to me that PP may be a singular anti-APE person who has to find an opportunity in every chain of discussion, regardless of topic, to bring up APE.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

SMART Restart had my kid's teachers terrified that they and their families were going to die if schools reopened even post-vaccination. My kid's teacher sobbed through parent teacher conferences is Feb 2021. One of the founders' kids is in my kid's class. Guess who had her all worked up? Yeah.

Oh good lord, just stop with your attacks. Smart Restart didn't oppose schools opening. Teachers were afraid of what was going to happen to them if schools reopened long before Smart Restart came on the scene. SR tried to advocate for the types of safety measures that would make teachers comfortable with re-opening. Teachers responded well to this. APE unfortunately did not. They just attacked SR. And is still doing that 2 years later!

I'm not in APE or Smart Restart. Both groups are ridiculous and drove hysteria. And yes, Smart Restart did oppose reopening unless unattainable safety standards were met. If we waited for them to be met, APS would still be closed.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize squabbling is fun, but are teachers actually citing APE as their reason for leaving? I would expect it's the usual reasons like life changes, high cost of living, crappy bosses, etc.

I personally know multiple teachers and staff members (and good ones too) who quit because they did not feel safe being in schools given the level of Covid precautions, and they did not feel their health and well-being was supported by either APS or parents. So yes.

The "usual reasons" were always there. There's a reason things are much worse now.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

SMART Restart had my kid's teachers terrified that they and their families were going to die if schools reopened even post-vaccination. My kid's teacher sobbed through parent teacher conferences is Feb 2021. One of the founders' kids is in my kid's class. Guess who had her all worked up? Yeah.

Oh good lord, just stop with your attacks. Smart Restart didn't oppose schools opening. Teachers were afraid of what was going to happen to them if schools reopened long before Smart Restart came on the scene. SR tried to advocate for the types of safety measures that would make teachers comfortable with re-opening. Teachers responded well to this. APE unfortunately did not. They just attacked SR. And is still doing that 2 years later!

I'm not in APE or Smart Restart. Both groups are ridiculous and drove hysteria. And yes, Smart Restart did oppose reopening unless unattainable safety standards were met. If we waited for them to be met, APS would still be closed.

Good lord you never quit. This is fake news and classic APE trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

DP. Somebody on this forum always claims there's an APE supporter who keeps piping in. It seems to me that PP may be a singular anti-APE person who has to find an opportunity in every chain of discussion, regardless of topic, to bring up APE.

If you think there's just one anti APE person out there, think again. They alienated a whole lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize squabbling is fun, but are teachers actually citing APE as their reason for leaving? I would expect it's the usual reasons like life changes, high cost of living, crappy bosses, etc.

I personally know multiple teachers and staff members (and good ones too) who quit because they did not feel safe being in schools given the level of Covid precautions, and they did not feel their health and well-being was supported by either APS or parents. So yes.

The "usual reasons" were always there. There's a reason things are much worse now.

They're leaving now because of COVID? I don't think this thread is about teachers who left two years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize squabbling is fun, but are teachers actually citing APE as their reason for leaving? I would expect it's the usual reasons like life changes, high cost of living, crappy bosses, etc.

I personally know multiple teachers and staff members (and good ones too) who quit because they did not feel safe being in schools given the level of Covid precautions, and they did not feel their health and well-being was supported by either APS or parents. So yes.

The "usual reasons" were always there. There's a reason things are much worse now.

But when did they quit? I really don't think teachers are really leaving NOW, or even last year, because of COVID safety insufficiencies. They're leaving because APS is in a downward spiral with no signs of slowing down. Shutdown during COVID exacerbated it all; but is not why teachers who returned when schools reopened are not now leaving because of COVID! I think Duran's "pause" on new initiatives is a very wise move.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

DP. Somebody on this forum always claims there's an APE supporter who keeps piping in. It seems to me that PP may be a singular anti-APE person who has to find an opportunity in every chain of discussion, regardless of topic, to bring up APE.

If you think there's just one anti APE person out there, think again. They alienated a whole lot of people.

As did SR. Both were ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize squabbling is fun, but are teachers actually citing APE as their reason for leaving? I would expect it's the usual reasons like life changes, high cost of living, crappy bosses, etc.

I personally know multiple teachers and staff members (and good ones too) who quit because they did not feel safe being in schools given the level of Covid precautions, and they did not feel their health and well-being was supported by either APS or parents. So yes.

The "usual reasons" were always there. There's a reason things are much worse now.

They're leaving now because of COVID? I don't think this thread is about teachers who left two years ago.

Exactly. It's an ongoing problem. COVID had its impact; but it's the other stuff now.
Let's also not forget that many teachers leave each year due to retirement.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

DP. Somebody on this forum always claims there's an APE supporter who keeps piping in. It seems to me that PP may be a singular anti-APE person who has to find an opportunity in every chain of discussion, regardless of topic, to bring up APE.

If you think there's just one anti APE person out there, think again. They alienated a whole lot of people.

But they don't keep coming here posting about it at every turn!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

DP. Somebody on this forum always claims there's an APE supporter who keeps piping in. It seems to me that PP may be a singular anti-APE person who has to find an opportunity in every chain of discussion, regardless of topic, to bring up APE.

If you think there's just one anti APE person out there, think again. They alienated a whole lot of people.

But they don't keep coming here posting about it at every turn!!!

Yes, yes they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget rudeness from students, especially in grades 6-12. It's off the chain.

The Karens get replaced by pint-size version of themselves in middle school, lol.

Rude kids have always existed. The difference is that no one is willing to discipline them anymore. There are very little consequences for rude behavior. Admin needs to actually start imposing consequences. I feel sorry for the kids who’s education keeps getting disrupted by their classmates.

Rude kids are much more common now. Parents don't teach their kids basic manners and then side with their kids if the teacher says something about the rudeness. Parents used to respect teachers, and teach their kids to do the same.

Yes. True. But there is an entire cultural shift. So parents don’t teach their kids basic manners and schools don’t enforce consequences for the lack of manners. We can’t control parental behavior. But schools can control what they do and enforce consequences.

There is a lobbying group in Arlington now dedicated to parents rights called Arlington Parents for Education or APE. They are trying to resurrect their image now but they were awful to teachers during the pandemic and a lot of them are pro private school vouchers so teachers leaving and weakening public schools helps their agenda. They also lobbied against Covid safety and one of their priorities is return to normal. This too has caused teachers who don’t want to get infected over and over with Covid to leave.

This is a pretty twisted and inaccurate narrative. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

We saw what we saw. Both teachers and normal non APE parents.

DP. Somebody on this forum always claims there's an APE supporter who keeps piping in. It seems to me that PP may be a singular anti-APE person who has to find an opportunity in every chain of discussion, regardless of topic, to bring up APE.

If you think there's just one anti APE person out there, think again. They alienated a whole lot of people.

But they don't keep coming here posting about it at every turn!!!

Yes, yes they do.

Exactly! Look who first brought it up on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize squabbling is fun, but are teachers actually citing APE as their reason for leaving? I would expect it's the usual reasons like life changes, high cost of living, crappy bosses, etc.

I personally know multiple teachers and staff members (and good ones too) who quit because they did not feel safe being in schools given the level of Covid precautions, and they did not feel their health and well-being was supported by either APS or parents. So yes.

The "usual reasons" were always there. There's a reason things are much worse now.

They're leaving now because of COVID? I don't think this thread is about teachers who left two years ago.

Exactly. It's an ongoing problem. COVID had its impact; but it's the other stuff now.
Let's also not forget that many teachers leave each year due to retirement.

The ones who I know of who were concerned about Covid did leave 2 years ago. But let's no forget the elephant in the room. Covid can be a disabling illness and teachers are particularly exposed. Some of them can't work anymore because of long Covid, or it's harder to work so they are retiring earlier than planned.