Excellent NYT piece about shaming people to take Ozempic, etc for weight loss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who is lying? It’s not a secret that I take it. It is private. I happily tell friends who ask.

This drug is like a miracle to me, and I’ve been through all the diets and losing and gaining so I have some sense of how hard it is or isn’t. And you have to stay on everything “for life” to maintain weight loss so I don’t get the concern.

You’re shamed if you do and shamed if you don’t so whatever.

And I don’t tell anyone, but it’s none of their business what medications I take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Additionally, if Ozempic works by just suppressing hunger, how long will people need to stay on it? If they never learn to resist feelings of hunger on their own, will they go right back to their original weight once they stop using the drug?

Educate yourself. It doesn't only suppress hunger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Um, no. I am thin. I do not resist hunger. I eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full. For some people that means they will be a healthy weight. For some people it means they will be 100 pounds or more overweight.

Someone here explained it to me this way once. Imagine you are an average healthy weight without trying, say 150 pounds at 5’7. That’s what you’ve weighed most of your adult life. It’s what your body wants to weigh. Imagine trying to lose and maintain a 25 pound weight loss forever to be 125. Imagine how little you’d have to eat compared to what you eat now, and how hungry you’d be. Sure it’s possible, but I couldn’t do it. I’d be so hungry. That’s similar to what it’s like for a 5’7 225 pound woman to weigh 150 pounds. She has to endure constant hunger for the rest of her life and most people don’t have that kind of willpower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

Nobody owes you an explanation about anything. And you shouldn’t be asking anyways.

Now, if the person in question is out loud acting like they found some miracle unrelated to these drugs - totally different story. I have seen no such example.

[Anonymous]

I work on drug policy and the only issue I have with it is for those using it off-label for vanity weight loss when the drug is in shortage. Its not really and ethical prescribing decision or use of the drug. Everyone should also be concerned about the prospect of making people somewhat dependent on a very, very expensive drug. I think as a treatment for chronic obesity its a very promising solution. I have a problem with it being used for folks that have an extra 10 to 15 to shed that don't want to develop healthier habits or just get comfortable about not being a supermodel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Well, enjoy. As long as you’re not interfering with me and my doctor I don’t care if you think I am just weak. I don’t care if I AM just weak! This is helping solve a huge problem for me and dramatically improving my quality of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work on drug policy and the only issue I have with it is for those using it off-label for vanity weight loss when the drug is in shortage. Its not really and ethical prescribing decision or use of the drug. Everyone should also be concerned about the prospect of making people somewhat dependent on a very, very expensive drug. I think as a treatment for chronic obesity it’s a very promising solution. I have a problem with it being used for folks that have an extra 10 to 15 to shed that don't want to develop healthier habits or just get comfortable about not being a supermodel.

I’m taking it off label (I’m prediabetic and obese) and frankly, it’s only in shortage because of the regulatory system. It’s being compounded because of the shortage, but the powers that be have made that market opaque and scary. There’s nothing inherently hard to make or particularly expensive about it. So supply problems are totally up to the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

So you are completing ignoring the metabolic components of obesity, insulin resistance, metabolic disorders, endocrine disorders? That there are mechanism we don't understand and that people react differently and more importantly, women- especially women- are less likely to be treated for any hormonal insufficiencies unless they cause death and even then, it takes 10-30 years to be diagnosed?
Again you talk about a spectrum of discipline but cant see to fathom that a level of X might be within the average/norm but person A can exist optimally with X and person B could be the complete opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

The group of people that have access to these drugs absolutely have access to nutrition rich whole healthy foods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

Oh geez. There were people who lost this much weight before these drugs existed. I have lost 30 pounds eating low carb after I found out I was on high end of pre-diabetic so eating low carb will be a permanent change for me. My diabetic parents BOTH had trouble with and had to stop taking Ozempic so it is not recommended for me. My MIL keeps asking DH if I am on Ozempic or the like and when he told her no, she said, "Oh just tell me, I won't tell anyone." I am sure she will be even more insistent if I continue to lose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

Nobody owes you an explanation about anything. And you shouldn’t be asking anyways.

Now, if the person in question is out loud acting like they found some miracle unrelated to these drugs - totally different story. I have seen no such example.

"Wow, you look amazing!"

--"Yeah, Ive lost about 100 pounds. I just decided that I needed to meditate and find myself"

"That's fantastic. So, you meditated your way to a 100 pound weight loss over 8 weeks?"

--"Yep! It was that easy."


Don't insult my intelligence. You don't owe me an explanation, but don't clutch your pearls when the entire world is talking about the fact that you are clearly on drugs to lose the weight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Additionally, if Ozempic works by just suppressing hunger, how long will people need to stay on it? If they never learn to resist feelings of hunger on their own, will they go right back to their original weight once they stop using the drug?

Newsflash. You get hungry when you're on Ozempic too. I took it for 8 months, lost 55 lbs and now it's not covered anymore on my new insurance. The hunger you experience on Ozempic is manageable. You can eat less and feel fuller, you can choose healthy instead of craving the bad stuff all the time. Now that I'm off (haven't gained any weight back and still have 30 lbs to go) the hunger is back and it's so much harder. It is not about "learning to resist" anything. Stop feeling so smug. This doesn't affect you (apparently)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

Nobody owes you an explanation about anything. And you shouldn’t be asking anyways.

Now, if the person in question is out loud acting like they found some miracle unrelated to these drugs - totally different story. I have seen no such example.

"Wow, you look amazing!"

--"Yeah, Ive lost about 100 pounds. I just decided that I needed to meditate and find myself"

"That's fantastic. So, you meditated your way to a 100 pound weight loss over 8 weeks?"

--"Yep! It was that easy."


Don't insult my intelligence. You don't owe me an explanation, but don't clutch your pearls when the entire world is talking about the fact that you are clearly on drugs to lose the weight.

WHO CARES!!!!! Also, no one is losing 100 lbs in 8 weeks. It doesn't matter how they lost it. You'd be judging them anyway. If they lost it naturally you'd tell them they have too much loose skin. I've seen your kind a million times before. You find ways to judge and be offended over things that are NONE of your business all the time.