Excellent NYT piece about shaming people to take Ozempic, etc for weight loss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How on earth would I know unless they told me? And if they did, it meant we were close enough that I would probably feel sympathy for their struggle and joy over a solution.

I have 15lbs to lose and they're not going away. So I don't judge people who need drugs to lose weight.

Puleeeaaassseee

People are always making comments about "how" people lose weight.

It happened when people were getting their stomach's banded and now with Ozempic, you don't actually have to know.

Lots of assumptions being made, just as before. None of it is appropriate.

After a certain age, if you haven’t gotten over what people say or think about your body and personal life, it’s unlikely to happen. At some point you just gotta ignore people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Additionally, if Ozempic works by just suppressing hunger, how long will people need to stay on it? If they never learn to resist feelings of hunger on their own, will they go right back to their original weight once they stop using the drug?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I'm sorry, but I don't get how you know that one person's experience of hunger is the same as another's, especially when we know there are differing levels of hormones like ghrelin and leptin?

How do you know it is the same experience, just different levels of willpower?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

Agree! I didn’t read the article but I am thrilled for all the people getting skinny from taking Ozempic! It brings me joy that naturally thin people are irritated over this.

I'm not irritated by it at all! On the contrary, good for whomever takes these meds and loses weight and then gets healthy. It's a huge burden taken off of our already broken and expensive healthcare system.

Well, I’m glad people can avoid heath care complications associated with obesity for their own sake of quality of life. But let’s not pretend putting all the overweight people on a drug that costs $1000/month that they need to take the rest of their life is somehow cutting healthcare cost

Drug prices go down when the patient base gets bigger, and generic versions of drugs cost less but aren't developed unless there is a sufficient patient base.

Generic versions are created when the patents expire. Not based on demand.

[Anonymous]

All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

Agree! I didn’t read the article but I am thrilled for all the people getting skinny from taking Ozempic! It brings me joy that naturally thin people are irritated over this.

I'm not irritated by it at all! On the contrary, good for whomever takes these meds and loses weight and then gets healthy. It's a huge burden taken off of our already broken and expensive healthcare system.

Well, I’m glad people can avoid heath care complications associated with obesity for their own sake of quality of life. But let’s not pretend putting all the overweight people on a drug that costs $1000/month that they need to take the rest of their life is somehow cutting healthcare cost

Don't know who is paying $1K a month but my step daughter has hers completely covered, she's with Kaiser. She however actually needs to lose about 60lbs, so maybe it's all in how the doctor justifies the need? There are a lot of people on this class of medications, with the vast vast majority not being able to afford the $1K a month you're talking about, or even $100 a month.

And thus driving insurance rates up for all. Just bc you aren’t personally paying out of pocket at the pharmacy counter doesn’t mean its cost was somehow reduce. We all will pay

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

You are definitively a person who cant understand the spectrum of human behavior and physiology.

Taking Mounjaro since end of October. Down 40lbs. Heres what I don't experience anymore: 24/7 hunger or thirst, headaches/migraines, inability to sustain exercise, depression and brain fog, no more diarrhea/loose stools (fiber was >30g per day), sleep >10 hours per day and/or daily napping, etc.

NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH OR WHAT TYPE OF FOOD I EAT. I would stop myself from eating. I weighed my food. I tracked my calories. I did Peloton classes and strength training. I tracked fiber. I took mood disorder medications.

I have PCOS and hypothyroid. There is something metabolically wrong with my body. With Mounjaro, I am able to sustain exercise. It was never a cardio capacity issue, it was literally feeling like my muscles were dead/done/depleted. Everything was exhausting. I was a nationally-ranked athlete in my teens and early 20s.

I walk 45 min at night now plus daily walks on my treadmill. I lift weights 3-5 per week. I have energy to play with my kid and walk the dog and swim in the pool. I don't have to limit myself to one activity per day because everything is a struggle, like wading through waist deep water.
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[Anonymous]

Who is lying? It’s not a secret that I take it. It is private. I happily tell friends who ask.

This drug is like a miracle to me, and I’ve been through all the diets and losing and gaining so I have some sense of how hard it is or isn’t. And you have to stay on everything “for life” to maintain weight loss so I don’t get the concern.

You’re shamed if you do and shamed if you don’t so whatever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How on earth would I know unless they told me? And if they did, it meant we were close enough that I would probably feel sympathy for their struggle and joy over a solution.

I have 15lbs to lose and they're not going away. So I don't judge people who need drugs to lose weight.

Puleeeaaassseee

People are always making comments about "how" people lose weight.

It happened when people were getting their stomach's banded and now with Ozempic, you don't actually have to know.

Lots of assumptions being made, just as before. None of it is appropriate.

After a certain age, if you haven’t gotten over what people say or think about your body and personal life, it’s unlikely to happen. At some point you just gotta ignore people.

did you miss the point of the article? This has nothing to do with me or others caring what they say. The fact is they think/say it. the PP said she would never know but that doesn't matter, she will make assuptions.

The whole point of the article is that people are mad that fat poeple are getting skinny becuase they can't feel morally superior any more... and I think it's hillarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

Agree! I didn’t read the article but I am thrilled for all the people getting skinny from taking Ozempic! It brings me joy that naturally thin people are irritated over this.

I'm not irritated by it at all! On the contrary, good for whomever takes these meds and loses weight and then gets healthy. It's a huge burden taken off of our already broken and expensive healthcare system.

Well, I’m glad people can avoid heath care complications associated with obesity for their own sake of quality of life. But let’s not pretend putting all the overweight people on a drug that costs $1000/month that they need to take the rest of their life is somehow cutting healthcare cost

Drug prices go down when the patient base gets bigger, and generic versions of drugs cost less but aren't developed unless there is a sufficient patient base.

Generic versions are created when the patents expire. Not based on demand.

Do you think generic versions just spontaneously out of thin air, or is it a decision made by someone(s) who think there is enough of a market to sell to for a total profit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s like the reporter reads DCUM or something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/health/obesity-drugs-wegovy-ozempic.html

Main takeaway is that the people who behave this way are generally pissed they can no longer feel superior to those who shed pounds.

Yes it’s scary for people who have always viewed you as a fat person to suddenly realize you are becoming “competition” and that’s across all even at work. I ran into this when I had weight loss surgery, lost a lot of weight and suddenly people who were always happy to cheer me on when I lost 5 lbs but then gained it back but when the weight came off for good - wow totally different people started saying I was on the wrong diet, my doctor might no really know what he was talking about, and so on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

Why would people owe you accurate medical details about their lives, just because you want the information?

If someone tells you they shaved their head to try out something new, are you angry because the didn't "admit" they had cancer and were on chemotherapy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Nope. My family is thin and we are never hungry. We actually have to, on occasion, track food to keep weight up.

You don't understand everything about weight and "willpower" lol, willpower, haha. that's exactly what the article is about. You are pissed you can't feel superior. It's like you are a plant trying to prove the article is correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I ask is that these people be honest about taking drugs to lose the weight. Stop telling me that you lost 100 pounds in 8 weeks because you 'found yourself'.

If you want to lie, than don't complain when people call you out on it.

Why would people owe you accurate medical details about their lives, just because you want the information?

If someone tells you they shaved their head to try out something new, are you angry because the didn't "admit" they had cancer and were on chemotherapy?

They owe her personal medical details SO SHE CAN FEEL SUPERIOR, just like the article states.