Excellent NYT piece about shaming people to take Ozempic, etc for weight loss

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

The group of people that have access to these drugs absolutely have access to nutrition rich whole healthy foods.

OMG here we go again. Just so exhausting. Every single day.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Why do you refuse to believe other people have a much stronger and less resistable urge to eat than you?

Because it makes your feat less impressive. So you can’t believe it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

Agree! I didn’t read the article but I am thrilled for all the people getting skinny from taking Ozempic! It brings me joy that naturally thin people are irritated over this.

I'm not irritated by it at all! On the contrary, good for whomever takes these meds and loses weight and then gets healthy. It's a huge burden taken off of our already broken and expensive healthcare system.

Well, I’m glad people can avoid heath care complications associated with obesity for their own sake of quality of life. But let’s not pretend putting all the overweight people on a drug that costs $1000/month that they need to take the rest of their life is somehow cutting healthcare cost

Don't know who is paying $1K a month but my step daughter has hers completely covered, she's with Kaiser. She however actually needs to lose about 60lbs, so maybe it's all in how the doctor justifies the need? There are a lot of people on this class of medications, with the vast vast majority not being able to afford the $1K a month you're talking about, or even $100 a month.

And thus driving insurance rates up for all. Just bc you aren’t personally paying out of pocket at the pharmacy counter doesn’t mean its cost was somehow reduce. We all will pay

Blame the manufacturers, not the patients.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

Additionally, if Ozempic works by just suppressing hunger, how long will people need to stay on it? If they never learn to resist feelings of hunger on their own, will they go right back to their original weight once they stop using the drug?

Obesity is a chronic illness. What chronic illness doesn’t require a lifetime treatment?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

The group of people that have access to these drugs absolutely have access to nutrition rich whole healthy foods.

Nutrition-rich whole healthy foods will still cause obesity in those disposed to obesity.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

The only thing you know is that it's within your control. You're not in my body and have no idea what's within my control. I suggest you mind your business and stay out of mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

Yes. Yes I do: there are plenty of heathy, simple, affordable foods that available to nearly everyone. A dozen eggs is $1.79, a giant container of oats is $3. It is choice to eat unhealthy. I could go on

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

Yes. Yes I do: there are plenty of heathy, simple, affordable foods that available to nearly everyone. A dozen eggs is $1.79, a giant container of oats is $3. It is choice to eat unhealthy. I could go on

Oh we know....because you do.....Read the article in the OP. please

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

So you are completing ignoring the metabolic components of obesity, insulin resistance, metabolic disorders, endocrine disorders? That there are mechanism we don't understand and that people react differently and more importantly, women- especially women- are less likely to be treated for any hormonal insufficiencies unless they cause death and even then, it takes 10-30 years to be diagnosed?
Again you talk about a spectrum of discipline but cant see to fathom that a level of X might be within the average/norm but person A can exist optimally with X and person B could be the complete opposite.

Majority of people aren’t born or develop a metabolic disorder that makes them guaranteed to be obese. Most people become obese over time, due to poor lifestyle and diet and as the pounds/excess fat accumulate the metabolic problems happen. 70% if the population doesn’t have a metabolic problem, they have an eating and lifestyle problem

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

So you are completing ignoring the metabolic components of obesity, insulin resistance, metabolic disorders, endocrine disorders? That there are mechanism we don't understand and that people react differently and more importantly, women- especially women- are less likely to be treated for any hormonal insufficiencies unless they cause death and even then, it takes 10-30 years to be diagnosed?
Again you talk about a spectrum of discipline but cant see to fathom that a level of X might be within the average/norm but person A can exist optimally with X and person B could be the complete opposite.

Majority of people aren’t born or develop a metabolic disorder that makes them guaranteed to be obese. Most people become obese over time, due to poor lifestyle and diet and as the pounds/excess fat accumulate the metabolic problems happen. 70% if the population doesn’t have a metabolic problem, they have an eating and lifestyle problem

Apparently, you don't have that problem. So all good, right? You can stop participating in this thread now. thanks.

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I’m not shaming anyone for taking these drugs! I’m just worried that we don’t know enough about the side effects long term.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

So you are completing ignoring the metabolic components of obesity, insulin resistance, metabolic disorders, endocrine disorders? That there are mechanism we don't understand and that people react differently and more importantly, women- especially women- are less likely to be treated for any hormonal insufficiencies unless they cause death and even then, it takes 10-30 years to be diagnosed?
Again you talk about a spectrum of discipline but cant see to fathom that a level of X might be within the average/norm but person A can exist optimally with X and person B could be the complete opposite.

Majority of people aren’t born or develop a metabolic disorder that makes them guaranteed to be obese. Most people become obese over time, due to poor lifestyle and diet and as the pounds/excess fat accumulate the metabolic problems happen. 70% if the population doesn’t have a metabolic problem, they have an eating and lifestyle problem

Experts in bariatric don’t think you’re correct. But it’s important to you to believe you are so there’s no dissuading you with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not shaming anyone for taking these drugs! I’m just worried that we don’t know enough about the side effects long term.

Suuuuureeeee.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not shaming anyone for taking these drugs! I’m just worried that we don’t know enough about the side effects long term.

They have been on the market for many years for diabetics. They’re pretty well understood at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people are furious at the discovery that they aren’t thin because of their moral superiority. It is a blow to their sense of self.

They still haven’t truly accepted this. The drugs work by reducing disproportionate hunger that thinner people do not have. But they really believe it’s doing something else as some sort of cheat code.

It’s not that thinner people aren’t hungry, they just resist the hunger. I have nothing against people using Ozempic and don’t judge them for it, but doesn’t this just prove that it IS about willpower? There’s all this justification that has been used that obesity is due to genetics or hormones or some type of disorder, but a drug that is able to reduce hunger has basically cured all these issues. The problem all along, it seems, is that some people can’t resist the urge to eat. I do think a lot has to do with the American diet (e.g., eating a lot of simple carbs and not enough protein causes insulin crashes that makes people eat more, not enough protein and fiber to suppress hunger), but ultimately it’s all within a person’s control.

I agree, mostly. I think the majority of people fall on the bell curve of they need to (and it is within their capabilities) exercise some amount of discipline with both their diet and activity level to be at a heathy weight. But then on either side, there are people that just cannot have that control/discipline over what/how much they are eating and then those that it takes zero amount of effort and discipline to be a heathy weight. But most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes.

Either way- I’m glad there is an option for people that are unsuccessful at getting to or maintaining a heathy weight- whatever their reason is. It in no way takes away my sense of well being or accomplishment for staying in shape by eating well and exercising. That is my preferred option

You think most people have access to healthy food?

Yes. Yes I do: there are plenty of heathy, simple, affordable foods that available to nearly everyone. A dozen eggs is $1.79, a giant container of oats is $3. It is choice to eat unhealthy. I could go on

And it’s very easy to maintain obesity on eggs and oats and other healthy foods. Obesity is not the consequence of junk food. It’s the consequence of excess hunger hormones.