We make $260k combined….why do I feel like we have no money?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Net combined income (after insurance and taxes and retirement contributions): $11,000

Monthly Expenses:
Mortgage PITI: $3450
Childcare: $3500
Utilities: average $750 (electric, water, Internet)
Phone bills: $150
Insurance/gas/car maintenance: $400
Medication/Therapies/medical costs: $800
Food/toiletries: $1000

This leaves us with less than $900/month to cover things like home maintenance, car repairs, clothes, haircuts, travel, incidentals, kids activities, gifts, savings, and debt payments (we have no debt but mortgage and a 0% credit card that has $12k on it).

I’m so frustrated. I feel like we can’t afford so many things I want (a dog, a 2nd car, a vacation, a personal computer, a bike). We have nothing saved for college. We are way behind on retirement. We share one car.

We have 2 kids but one of them has significant special needs so our childcare/medical expenses are unlikely to drop dramatically for at least another 3-5 years.

Any tips or commiseration?


Utilities seem high.

We cut the cord and I now have internet only for 39.99 (FIOS). Our children are young and we are not gamers, etc so we don't need the extra bandwidth at this point and this works for us. It's fine for streaming Netflix(which is, for now, not our account so we don't pay for it although they have been saying that they are going to crack down on pw sharing...).

For phone, take a look at mint mobile - it is a T-Mobile bandwidth re-seller and you can get unlimited talk/text and 4 gig data for 15/month. Again, not a gamer/streamer so this works for me - they have more expensive plans w/ more bandwidth too.

If you've had your auto insurance for more than 3-5 years, it's worth shopping around - I just did this and saved $200/year - not alot but why pay more if you don't have to?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op here.

Utilities do vary. We have an all electric house.

Electricity: $450/month
Water: $150/month
Internet: $150/month

If I’m totally honest, in the summer our electricity is actually even higher…..


These are really high! Can you set the thermostat a couple degrees warmer/cooler depending on the season? Can you shop around for a better Internet package?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op here.

Utilities do vary. We have an all electric house.

Electricity: $450/month
Water: $150/month
Internet: $150/month

If I’m totally honest, in the summer our electricity is actually even higher…..


Your internet is very high. Maybe try insulating your house if it's an older house. When we replaced our HVAC and did other upgrades, our utility bills were cut down a lot.
Anonymous
How much of a tax refund are you getting this year? If it works better for you to withhold a little less and have more money each month, that might help. If you do better using it as forced savings and getting a lump sum (which if I were you I would split between 529/ABLE accounts and your credit card debt, with a small amount for something fun just to give yourself a break) that is legit too.
Anonymous
The childcare is killing you. You’re effectively paying two mortgages. Unfortunately I don’t really see any room for improvement in your budget right now, hang in there until the kids go to school and you’ll feel a lot better.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Op here.

Utilities do vary. We have an all electric house.

Electricity: $450/month
Water: $150/month
Internet: $150/month

If I’m totally honest, in the summer our electricity is actually even higher…..


These are really high! Can you set the thermostat a couple degrees warmer/cooler depending on the season? Can you shop around for a better Internet package?


Op here. We’re out in the desert and Internet is tricky. We’ve shopped it and it kind of is what it is. DH is fully remote in tech and needs super fast Internet.

Our electricity costs are high in part because we don’t have gas so electricity is heating the water. In the summer it’s insane but it’s very hot here. In winter it’s not quite so bad. We don’t use a lot of heat but we do use a lot of AC.
Anonymous
I'd say you bought too much house. Too bad interest rates are too high now.

Guess you'll have to sell a kid.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'd say you bought too much house. Too bad interest rates are too high now.

Guess you'll have to sell a kid.


Op here. We did buy too much house, it’s true but at this point I don’t think moving really helps us.

our house has appreciated a lot since we got it, but it doesn’t really do us any good right now. I looked into getting a home equity loan but I guess they aren’t a thing anymore. Regardless it made more sense to get the 0% CC.

Anonymous
OP, your costs and quality of life seem relatively normal. This area is expensive - just to live. YEs, you can sit in the dark, with the heat turned way down, and can eliminate internet entirely; however we know that that is not what life is about.

DMV is expensive to live the tv life that we all imagine in our heads. I would recommend that you adjust to living a good life, enjoying your work, family and home, and worry less about what others are doing and how you "compare to your peers."

$260K is a lot of money, if its not enough, then chase the money. If you do, then welcome to the vicious cycle where it will never be enough...
Anonymous
I feel like you should be taking home more than 11K with that income. Is it two salaries or one? Are you maxing out your retirement accounts? I make 225 and take home more than 12K a month and max our retirement (though I don't pay for med insurance or flex spending). We didn't max out retirement until our kids were in elementary.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I feel like you should be taking home more than 11K with that income. Is it two salaries or one? Are you maxing out your retirement accounts? I make 225 and take home more than 12K a month and max our retirement (though I don't pay for med insurance or flex spending). We didn't max out retirement until our kids were in elementary.


Op here. It’s 2 incomes after taxes, contributing to retirement (just up to employer match), flex spending accounts (health and childcare), and insurance (life, health, dental, vision).

Anonymous
Can you cut down on childcare by staggering your schedules for a few years or have a way your WFH DH could watch the kids for a day or two? Saving $1000 or so a month could be huge.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd say you bought too much house. Too bad interest rates are too high now.

Guess you'll have to sell a kid.


Op here. We did buy too much house, it’s true but at this point I don’t think moving really helps us.

our house has appreciated a lot since we got it, but it doesn’t really do us any good right now. I looked into getting a home equity loan but I guess they aren’t a thing anymore. Regardless it made more sense to get the 0% CC.



How big is your house? Are there any cheaper daycare options? $875 seems like a lot per week - is that for 2 kids?

At our max with 3 kids we were paying $1000 per week. Childcare costs are so expensive. And it doesn't always get better. We have 2 in public school and one in daycare and we still probably average close to $30,000 in childcare costs a year when you add in summer camp.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Can you cut down on childcare by staggering your schedules for a few years or have a way your WFH DH could watch the kids for a day or two? Saving $1000 or so a month could be huge.


I don't know about whatever area OP is in, but that's not typically how childcare costs work- you can't just say, not send kids on Fridays and expect a discount. Plus how would the DH care for a special needs child while working?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, your costs and quality of life seem relatively normal. This area is expensive - just to live. YEs, you can sit in the dark, with the heat turned way down, and can eliminate internet entirely; however we know that that is not what life is about.

DMV is expensive to live the tv life that we all imagine in our heads. I would recommend that you adjust to living a good life, enjoying your work, family and home, and worry less about what others are doing and how you "compare to your peers."

$260K is a lot of money, if its not enough, then chase the money. If you do, then welcome to the vicious cycle where it will never be enough...


They don’t live in this area
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