Diversity and "Equity" are each other's enemies... discuss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

Couldn’t take time to find one that uses proper English?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

Couldn’t take time to find one that uses proper English?

Proper English is a White cultural value. Not equitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

+1. Equity means every getting what they need. But current attempts at “equity” hold the advanced kids back to make the gap appear smaller. I have no problem with kids who need extra aides, supports, pullouts, etc. But stop eliminating honors/AP/enrichment activities for other kids. And yes this is happening at our school right before our eyes, all in the name of “equity.”

+1

There is only so much schools can do to promote equity in a fair manner. A few pullouts and supports can’t overcome the difference between households that prioritize education over ones that don’t.

Instead, schools are holding back advanced students and arguing that advanced courses are unnecessary and racist. This is the kind of action that leads to flight. Parents with means will pack up and move. Those that can’t will warn others to think twice about attending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

+1. Equity means every getting what they need. But current attempts at “equity” hold the advanced kids back to make the gap appear smaller. I have no problem with kids who need extra aides, supports, pullouts, etc. But stop eliminating honors/AP/enrichment activities for other kids. And yes this is happening at our school right before our eyes, all in the name of “equity.”

This argument falls apart when you look at why the kid is advanced and consider limited resources.

Your kid is most likely more “advanced” because of a disproportional distribution of limited resources from the the start of his or her life. They are advanced because they had more *advantages* than other children. Not because they are necessarily brighter or smarter. Your kid was born on third and you think he hit a triple. And so long as the system continues to set up these inequities in perpetuity, things won’t get better for the kid who keeps striking out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

No, the people who find fault with it are the cancers on society. They’re fundamentally bad people.

Someone isn't valuing the diversity of viewpoints I see!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that if you actually care about diversity - diversity of cultures and beliefs - then you can't also take the idea of "equity" seriously.

Different cultures prioritize different things in life, and not all of those choices translate into money at the same rate when comparing (artificial) groups to each other.

In fact, some may translate into other things that are much more valuable than money, but impossible to measure - like close families, robust friend networks, belief in an afterlife, etc.

This seems trivially simple & true, but you don't hear it much.

Am I missing something? It it wrong to apply logic to these ideas?

Diversity does, in fact, celebrate differences. This is why the “I don’t see color” retort is so misguided— it’s disingenuous and suggests people don’t want to be seen and appreciated for who the are.

But we all have the same basic needs, I.e. housing, food security, safety, education, etc. Equity is the pursuit of more equal outcomes (in the aggregate) inthe distribution of those things.

for example, why do employers have to talk about Equity when they're not involved in providing any of those things you listed?

and why do selective schools and colleges have to talk about Equity when their entire existence is geared towards providing services to some and not others?

I think those discussions are more about diversity than “equity” and they are usually motivated by a desire for profit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

No, the people who find fault with it are the cancers on society. They’re fundamentally bad people.

Someone isn't valuing the diversity of viewpoints I see!

Yep. Don't think - accept whatever is being sold, even if it doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

+1. Equity means every getting what they need. But current attempts at “equity” hold the advanced kids back to make the gap appear smaller. I have no problem with kids who need extra aides, supports, pullouts, etc. But stop eliminating honors/AP/enrichment activities for other kids. And yes this is happening at our school right before our eyes, all in the name of “equity.”

This argument falls apart when you look at why the kid is advanced and consider limited resources.

Your kid is most likely more “advanced” because of a disproportional distribution of limited resources from the the start of his or her life. They are advanced because they had more *advantages* than other children. Not because they are necessarily brighter or smarter. Your kid was born on third and you think he hit a triple. And so long as the system continues to set up these inequities in perpetuity, things won’t get better for the kid who keeps striking out.

I understand that kids in poverty have it harder, but holding back advanced kids is not the solution. You’re just punishing advanced kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

+1. Equity means every getting what they need. But current attempts at “equity” hold the advanced kids back to make the gap appear smaller. I have no problem with kids who need extra aides, supports, pullouts, etc. But stop eliminating honors/AP/enrichment activities for other kids. And yes this is happening at our school right before our eyes, all in the name of “equity.”

This argument falls apart when you look at why the kid is advanced and consider limited resources.

Your kid is most likely more “advanced” because of a disproportional distribution of limited resources from the the start of his or her life. They are advanced because they had more *advantages* than other children. Not because they are necessarily brighter or smarter. Your kid was born on third and you think he hit a triple. And so long as the system continues to set up these inequities in perpetuity, things won’t get better for the kid who keeps striking out.

We live in a capitalistic society not some communistic where everyone gets the same thing.

There will always be some kids who might have more support than others.

But you are absolutely wrong that most advanced kids are advance due to just supports. Supports alone is not going to do it. It’s both hereditary and environmental. Some kids just have a natural aptitude and are smarter than others. Go to a wealthy school district and you will still have low and high performing kids, all of whom got all the support they needed.

Also some kids might have potential but the detrimental effects of poor care, abuse, neglect, trauma, etc.. destroys and negates these potential. Nothing the school can do about that. Also parents drug and alcohol usage during pregnancy and in the house around young kids don’t help either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t understand the definition. Equity doesn’t mean equality. Here is a graphic I use to explain this to 12 year olds. Hope it helps!

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Equality-vs-Equity

This graphic is a cancer

+1. Equity means every getting what they need. But current attempts at “equity” hold the advanced kids back to make the gap appear smaller. I have no problem with kids who need extra aides, supports, pullouts, etc. But stop eliminating honors/AP/enrichment activities for other kids. And yes this is happening at our school right before our eyes, all in the name of “equity.”

This argument falls apart when you look at why the kid is advanced and consider limited resources.

Your kid is most likely more “advanced” because of a disproportional distribution of limited resources from the the start of his or her life. They are advanced because they had more *advantages* than other children. Not because they are necessarily brighter or smarter. Your kid was born on third and you think he hit a triple. And so long as the system continues to set up these inequities in perpetuity, things won’t get better for the kid who keeps striking out.

So what is your solution?

Hit the kid on 3rd already in the knees with a baseball bat so the ones still at home plate can catch up?

[Anonymous]

I think a lot on DCUM (who have generational wealth and are into all the wordsmith theory going on nowadays) don't realize that the old system did work to raise people up from the bottom if you had a strong support system.

I grew up lower middle class. My parents (yes, I had an involved father) instilled in me a hard work ethic and stressed that only through education would I make more money than them. I didn't have tutors, but I was in honors, ignored all the others trying to get me to skip school in high school, got good grades and now am part of the upper 10%. My children have had an easier start than I did.

If there isn't familial support, the equity steps taken won't matter except on paper by bringing people like my children down.

[Anonymous]

First of all nature and nurture are both real.

Some kids have higher iq period.

Equity has a point because not all schools provide the same resources and learning environment.

Schools should provide the same supports across the board. What you do with it is up to you.

[Anonymous]

The obsession with equity is an unholy alliance between those who want things handed to them for free and forces outside the United States eager to bring this country down, aided and abetted by White liberals who have cynically calculated that the best way to preserve their own advantages is to appear sympathetic to the equity brigade while ensuring that their own families are not personally affected.

The latter are total scum and there is no point pretending otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Animal Farm

[Anonymous]

Equity assumes that all human beings are mentally, physically and morally the same. They are not. Some are good, some are bad. Some are lazy and entitled.

Equity actually ends up meaning Affirmative Action for URMs and screw the Asian-Americans.