Out of State students at your State U

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I get enraged when I read here about TJ kids getting into prestigious UC’s, or when I read Reddit’s College Results and see out-of-staters and internationals getting into UC’s. My highly-qualified son was only accepted by UC Merced for MechE. Luckily we can pay for private, but enough already!

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I went to my state’s best school in a state with a huge public system. There wasn’t a huge population of out of state kids, but those who were from elsewhere made my experience richer. A, they paid more, which kept my tuition down. B, they presented a level of geographic diversity and exposure to other areas of the country that I was totally unfamiliar with. C, they were ridiculously more qualified than many of the rest of us, which really pushed me to up my game. My college best friend was from out of state and had been accepted at EVERY single Ivy. Chose my public because it was a very different experience, geographically/socioeconomically/diversity wise, and that is what they wanted.

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The state subsidies have been cut significantly in many states. Not much of your tax $ are going to fund the state U's. That's why they take OOS students. In some states the OOS students also raise the overall academic profile - higher scores, etc. Would Michigan or UVA be as prominent without OOS students? Probably not. And who wants to go to a college that is only made up of students from your home state, especially if it's a small state like Virginia or MD.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about out of state students taking up seats at State U while qualified in state university students are turned away? I think it must be hard on parents who pay taxes to support their state university only to find that their own child is turned away in favor of someone else’s childWho doesn’t pay taxes to support that same university.

Pisses me off. We are writing off schools like UVA for this reason. Not playing the game to have my high achieving kid kill herself only to not get in to the state school I support. I wish they had rules like some other states, giving more spots or preference to in state kids.

Oh well.

Almost 70% are from Virginia. That’s a clear preference, and a large majority of spots.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about out of state students taking up seats at State U while qualified in state university students are turned away? I think it must be hard on parents who pay taxes to support their state university only to find that their own child is turned away in favor of someone else’s childWho doesn’t pay taxes to support that same university.

Pisses me off. We are writing off schools like UVA for this reason. Not playing the game to have my high achieving kid kill herself only to not get in to the state school I support. I wish they had rules like some other states, giving more spots or preference to in state kids.

Oh well.

Almost 70% are from Virginia. That’s a clear preference, and a large majority of spots.

In state public schools in Virginia are required to enroll 2/3 in-state students. That's a clear preferences. UVA (and W&M) are just still really selective schools because there are a lot of highly qualified in-state students. Fortunately there is also VT, JMU, GMU, CNU, VCU, UMW, which are in many cases better schools than the primary flagship in a lot of states.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a great situation in Illinois. There's only one very highly regarded option, it's pretty expensive even in-state, and they let in lots of out of state students to cover the shortfall in funding because it's been underfunded by the state. They give virtually no merit aid.

48.4 percent of Illinois public high school graduates enrolled in four-year universities in 2017 attended out-of-state institutions.

Well, that's because the north shore of Chicago all want to attend Michigan.

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Out Of Staters are exotic!

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Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about out of state students taking up seats at State U while qualified in state university students are turned away? I think it must be hard on parents who pay taxes to support their state university only to find that their own child is turned away in favor of someone else’s childWho doesn’t pay taxes to support that same university.

On the flip side, judging from the comments on DC's college FB parent's page, many in-state parents feel somewhat defensive toward OOS. There were several posts reminding parents that it's also very competitive to get in from in-state. But, I imagine many of those OOS parents have kids who are there because they didn't get into their own state school. So there's that.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like it's good to have out of state students so my kids can be exposed to students from other places.

That may be true if the students are from other continents but what's so different about someone who is from North Carolina or Ohio, or even California?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a great situation in Illinois. There's only one very highly regarded option, it's pretty expensive even in-state, and they let in lots of out of state students to cover the shortfall in funding because it's been underfunded by the state. They give virtually no merit aid.

48.4 percent of Illinois public high school graduates enrolled in four-year universities in 2017 attended out-of-state institutions.

My niece is graduating from a Chicago area high school this year. She's headed to University of Iowa. She was a "high average" student and even so, it was cheaper for her to go there than it was for her to go to UIUC.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about out of state students taking up seats at State U while qualified in state university students are turned away? I think it must be hard on parents who pay taxes to support their state university only to find that their own child is turned away in favor of someone else’s childWho doesn’t pay taxes to support that same university.

College admissions has never been about being fair. I think that is the mistake people make when applying to colleges. College admission officers strategize and people who want to go there must too. In the end, the strength and persaverance of the individual will trump who went where for college.

That’s fine when you’re talking about private colleges and universities, but publics have a different mission.

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Anonymous wrote:Out-of-states add geographic diversity to the school, especially international students. In top publics, the out-of-state and international students are better qualified academically.

Would much rather prefer out-of-state students who provide national/international geographic diversity over easy admissions for incompetent students from weak rural school districts who provide "geographic diversity" within the same state.

No one said “incompetent students”. “Qualifued students” was specified.

Here’s an example. By statute, California must insure higher education opportunities at UC’s of 12.5% of the high school graduates in any given year. This statutory requirement has led to both expansion of sears and facilities upgrades at UC’s across the board over the past 50-60 years. You don’t have to go back that far to a time when campuses at places like Irvine and Davis were really nothing special. Now they’re top notch. This mandate also led to the construction and development of a whole new campus at Merced just 10 years (?) ago, which now has about 10,000 students.by prioritizing in state students, any UC campus has now become among the hardest in the country to gain admission as an out of state student - and one of the most expensive to attend by a lot and with only a very few exceptions like Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to my state’s best school in a state with a huge public system. There wasn’t a huge population of out of state kids, but those who were from elsewhere made my experience richer. A, they paid more, which kept my tuition down. B, they presented a level of geographic diversity and exposure to other areas of the country that I was totally unfamiliar with. C, they were ridiculously more qualified than many of the rest of us, which really pushed me to up my game. My college best friend was from out of state and had been accepted at EVERY single Ivy. Chose my public because it was a very different experience, geographically/socioeconomically/diversity wise, and that is what they wanted.

Whether those from elsewhere should be there or not is a separate issue. The question is whether they should be there at the expense of deserving in state kids. I gave the example of California where the top kids are guaranteed a spot at a UC to the point that the UC system has expanded to accommodate them as the population of the state has grown. Others are then added. Most states don’t do that

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Anonymous wrote:The state subsidies have been cut significantly in many states. Not much of your tax $ are going to fund the state U's. That's why they take OOS students. In some states the OOS students also raise the overall academic profile - higher scores, etc. Would Michigan or UVA be as prominent without OOS students? Probably not. And who wants to go to a college that is only made up of students from your home state, especially if it's a small state like Virginia or MD.

No one said to create a State U that’s restricted to in state students. That’s a straw man argument. North Carolina, for example, guarantees by statute that 70% of the seats at State U will be reserved for in state students. That certainly hasn’t prevented them from becoming prominent as they are universally regarded as a public Ivy..

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

Unless they’re getting merit aid and UVA is generous. Where does that money come from? My qualified kid was rejected but his OOS friend got in with generous aid. But my kid is was educated in the VA system, I’m the one paying NoVA COL (insane)…and taxes. Feels great!

So you think every in-state kid has a right to go to UVa? There are many other fine Virginia state universities your tax dollars are paying for, and it's pretty much a guarantee there are multiple schools that would be happy to educate your kid.