Out of State students at your State U

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Anonymous wrote:I went to my state’s best school in a state with a huge public system. There wasn’t a huge population of out of state kids, but those who were from elsewhere made my experience richer. A, they paid more, which kept my tuition down. B, they presented a level of geographic diversity and exposure to other areas of the country that I was totally unfamiliar with. C, they were ridiculously more qualified than many of the rest of us, which really pushed me to up my game. My college best friend was from out of state and had been accepted at EVERY single Ivy. Chose my public because it was a very different experience, geographically/socioeconomically/diversity wise, and that is what they wanted.

Whether those from elsewhere should be there or not is a separate issue. The question is whether they should be there at the expense of deserving in state kids. I gave the example of California where the top kids are guaranteed a spot at a UC to the point that the UC system has expanded to accommodate them as the population of the state has grown. Others are then added. Most states don’t do that

There’s more than UVA in Virginia, so I’m not sure why people are so pissed off. There’s plenty of other public colleges and universities to choose from in Virginia. There are 39 public colleges and universities in Virginia - popular schools like Virginia Tech, George Mason University and James Madison University.

Because although UVA rejected my kid, Michigan and USC accepted them. Why would I send them to GMU etc?

Any student capable of being admitted to Michigan and USC (which is a PRIVATE school, assuming you're talking about the one in California) is capable of getting an excellent education at Virginia Tech, William and Mary or James Madison. Your focus is way too narrow.

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I don’t mind at all that my instate flagship UVA allocates 1/3 of seats to oos, I think it is a good thing. I also think it should have quotas for VA counties as well but in a transparent way. I also think they should promote socio economic diversity in a transparent way. But I really do mind them using holistic admissions approach, which allows them to do whatever they want without any accountability. And I mind them not counteracting the declining admissions rates by not expanding the school. I certainly would like to know what is it I can do as a tax payer here

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Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about out of state students taking up seats at State U while qualified in state university students are turned away? I think it must be hard on parents who pay taxes to support their state university only to find that their own child is turned away in favor of someone else’s childWho doesn’t pay taxes to support that same university.

I am with you. If it happens to my kid, I will stop paying tax.

Why wait? It’s unfair now. Stop paying your state taxes immediately. Print out a copy of this thread and send it in the department of revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

Unless they’re getting merit aid and UVA is generous. Where does that money come from? My qualified kid was rejected but his OOS friend got in with generous aid. But my kid is was educated in the VA system, I’m the one paying NoVA COL (insane)…and taxes. Feels great!

UVA doesn't give merit aid. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

Unless they’re getting merit aid and UVA is generous. Where does that money come from? My qualified kid was rejected but his OOS friend got in with generous aid. But my kid is was educated in the VA system, I’m the one paying NoVA COL (insane)…and taxes. Feels great!

UVA doesn't give merit aid. Try again.

Yes they do. Call it aid of you wish. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

This^^^ Without OOS students, your in=state tuition would need to be MUCH, much higher. All state schools do this, the better the school is the more OOS/International students they can attract. I'd rather have 25-30% OOS students paying an extra $36K/year to help keep UVA tuition at $18K for in state students. Get rid of OOS, and your tuition would increase alot!!

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a great situation in Illinois. There's only one very highly regarded option, it's pretty expensive even in-state, and they let in lots of out of state students to cover the shortfall in funding because it's been underfunded by the state. They give virtually no merit aid.

48.4 percent of Illinois public high school graduates enrolled in four-year universities in 2017 attended out-of-state institutions.

That's largely because most in-state Illinois students want to attend UIUC (T50). Not many other comparable choices in state. So if they can't get in, they look OOS with Alabama and it's scholarships being a great choice (if you can stomach living in Alabama). It's not like VA where there are several great choices

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to my state’s best school in a state with a huge public system. There wasn’t a huge population of out of state kids, but those who were from elsewhere made my experience richer. A, they paid more, which kept my tuition down. B, they presented a level of geographic diversity and exposure to other areas of the country that I was totally unfamiliar with. C, they were ridiculously more qualified than many of the rest of us, which really pushed me to up my game. My college best friend was from out of state and had been accepted at EVERY single Ivy. Chose my public because it was a very different experience, geographically/socioeconomically/diversity wise, and that is what they wanted.

Whether those from elsewhere should be there or not is a separate issue. The question is whether they should be there at the expense of deserving in state kids. I gave the example of California where the top kids are guaranteed a spot at a UC to the point that the UC system has expanded to accommodate them as the population of the state has grown. Others are then added. Most states don’t do that

There’s more than UVA in Virginia, so I’m not sure why people are so pissed off. There’s plenty of other public colleges and universities to choose from in Virginia. There are 39 public colleges and universities in Virginia - popular schools like Virginia Tech, George Mason University and James Madison University.

Because although UVA rejected my kid, Michigan and USC accepted them. Why would I send them to GMU etc?

Perhaps because many cannot afford UM or USC?

Although I'd argue that VA has a wider range of public schools than most states. As people mention Illinois---there isn't anything comparable to UIUC. VA has JMU/VAtech, W&M---all top ranked schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about out of state students taking up seats at State U while qualified in state university students are turned away? I think it must be hard on parents who pay taxes to support their state university only to find that their own child is turned away in favor of someone else’s childWho doesn’t pay taxes to support that same university.

Pisses me off. We are writing off schools like UVA for this reason. Not playing the game to have my high achieving kid kill herself only to not get in to the state school I support. I wish they had rules like some other states, giving more spots or preference to in state kids.

Oh well.

Almost 70% are from Virginia. That’s a clear preference, and a large majority of spots.

Exactly. PP didn't understand how difficult it is to get in the best schools and their kid wasn't good enough but, like a tantrum throwing child, is going to blame the oos students. I'm surprised we didn't get a lecture about urms

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to my state’s best school in a state with a huge public system. There wasn’t a huge population of out of state kids, but those who were from elsewhere made my experience richer. A, they paid more, which kept my tuition down. B, they presented a level of geographic diversity and exposure to other areas of the country that I was totally unfamiliar with. C, they were ridiculously more qualified than many of the rest of us, which really pushed me to up my game. My college best friend was from out of state and had been accepted at EVERY single Ivy. Chose my public because it was a very different experience, geographically/socioeconomically/diversity wise, and that is what they wanted.

Whether those from elsewhere should be there or not is a separate issue. The question is whether they should be there at the expense of deserving in state kids. I gave the example of California where the top kids are guaranteed a spot at a UC to the point that the UC system has expanded to accommodate them as the population of the state has grown. Others are then added. Most states don’t do that

There’s more than UVA in Virginia, so I’m not sure why people are so pissed off. There’s plenty of other public colleges and universities to choose from in Virginia. There are 39 public colleges and universities in Virginia - popular schools like Virginia Tech, George Mason University and James Madison University.

because the whining parent complaining here felt his snowflake should have been guaranteed a slot at UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

This^^^ Without OOS students, your in=state tuition would need to be MUCH, much higher. All state schools do this, the better the school is the more OOS/International students they can attract. I'd rather have 25-30% OOS students paying an extra $36K/year to help keep UVA tuition at $18K for in state students. Get rid of OOS, and your tuition would increase alot!!

They don’t necessarily pay full tuition. I know an OOS kid that chose UVA because they gave the most aid of all the schools who accepted him. No way his parents can afford even 50% of oos tuition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

This^^^ Without OOS students, your in=state tuition would need to be MUCH, much higher. All state schools do this, the better the school is the more OOS/International students they can attract. I'd rather have 25-30% OOS students paying an extra $36K/year to help keep UVA tuition at $18K for in state students. Get rid of OOS, and your tuition would increase alot!!

They don’t necessarily pay full tuition. I know an OOS kid that chose UVA because they gave the most aid of all the schools who accepted him. No way his parents can afford even 50% of oos tuition.

Both of my kids are in college oos and both get merit aid but it is still much more expensive than the in-state tuition. Much more.

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Anonymous wrote:Out-of-states add geographic diversity to the school, especially international students. In top publics, the out-of-state and international students are better qualified academically.

Would much rather prefer out-of-state students who provide national/international geographic diversity over easy admissions for incompetent students from weak rural school districts who provide "geographic diversity" within the same state.

this is so dumb. almost all out of state students at my kid's university (herself included) are high ses from nova, Maryland, tristate area, wealthy parts of California, wealthy suburbs of chicago. call me crazy but I think a low ses in-state student from a "weak rural district" who grew up on a farm, or the child of factory workers, or migrant workers, or whatever, offers far differing/diverse life experiences to the umc student from say, Bethesda, than does a student from scarsdale or lake forest. I know, I know!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:out of state pays more, makes up for the tax $$

This^^^ Without OOS students, your in=state tuition would need to be MUCH, much higher. All state schools do this, the better the school is the more OOS/International students they can attract. I'd rather have 25-30% OOS students paying an extra $36K/year to help keep UVA tuition at $18K for in state students. Get rid of OOS, and your tuition would increase alot!!

They don’t necessarily pay full tuition. I know an OOS kid that chose UVA because they gave the most aid of all the schools who accepted him. No way his parents can afford even 50% of oos tuition.

Not always, but at many state schools, the OOS are full pay or close to it. It's a huge $$$$ maker and definately helps keep state school tuition lower for In state students. I'm not in VA, and our state school that is "equivalent to UVA" (ie. the top state school, that attracts thousands of OOS applicants) does not give much in merit to anyone (in or OOS).

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a great situation in Illinois. There's only one very highly regarded option, it's pretty expensive even in-state, and they let in lots of out of state students to cover the shortfall in funding because it's been underfunded by the state. They give virtually no merit aid.

48.4 percent of Illinois public high school graduates enrolled in four-year universities in 2017 attended out-of-state institutions.

My niece is graduating from a Chicago area high school this year. She's headed to University of Iowa. She was a "high average" student and even so, it was cheaper for her to go there than it was for her to go to UIUC.

university of iowanted a fast acceptance letter