Do men never learn? Cheating

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Anonymous wrote:He destroyed his professional (and personal) reputation over this, and his career. He blew a $10m dollar parachute provision because he was fired for cause. He probably just lost his marriage and likely any good will from his four kids. This is the kind of thing cheaters risk because they don't/can't forecast and believe they will never be caught.

What happen to his AP? Was she fired?

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Anonymous wrote:Men are motivated by sex in ways women will never, ever understand.

Watch the nature channel and the two Rams bashing heads for the right to mate. That level of insanity is basically all male mammals.

ITA and I'd also add that men would never understand the anger of a scorned woman, hence what happened here.

I agree with this. Many of the smartest and most powerful men meet their downfall from similar. They just cannot override the sex want

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Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because she was his subordinate.

I’m not against coworkers dating, but anytime there’s a power difference, there’s room for problems. The subordinate could get or expect special favors, and there’s a long history of those in power using their position to demand sexual favors. Relationships always need to be disclosed to HR to make sure there’s no conflict and to protect both parties.

It also reflects poorly on the university. People are going to be upset their kids’ tuition is paying for a creep to have an affair.

Unless it is specified in your work contract that you cannot have a personal relationship with coworker, I don’t see how this matters. Unless it is proven in correspondence he is leveraging his position and their relationship to influence her at work

Most companies have rules regarding relationships because they usually just cause a ton of drama and problems.

Like this case, someone could lead their AP on that they’re going to leave the spouse. Then when they don’t and the AP gets upset, AP could potentially dig up something that does make it sound like they were getting favors or being coerced. And now there’s a potential lawsuit, at the very least money will be spent on attorney’s fees.

Or the cheated-on spouse can cause trouble.

Or someone could be sleeping with multiple people in the workplace and cause drama. I’ve seen that happen, it got bad when an STD got passed around.

You’ve also got scorned lovers who, while technically nothing “wrong” was done, then seek vengeance in the workplace by sabatoging the other person or filing nonstop complaints against them or otherwise making it a hostile, unpleasant work environment.

People also tend to HATE cheating men in positions of power, look what happened to Bill Clinton. Consensual but caused a ton of trouble and cost lots of money. Public perception is important.

The military has VERY strict policies around affairs and not being involved at all, because they know the problems it causes.

In my case, I did date a superior and while we did everything right, it caused so much trouble with other people that we split up because it was easier than dealing with the drama.

HR does what they can to protect the company. They don’t care about people getting laid, meeting their soulmate, whatever. The university likely did have a clause about relationships, and he screwed up by not reporting it. Probably did not report it because he knew an affair would not be approved and would cause him to be dismissed.

The military yes. But I have never seen the same rules or expectations in civilian work place. As university president, subordinate could be literally any employee. Unless he was getting her hired into positions she didn’t qualify for or authorizing unwarranted pay raises or budget increases for her dept, I don’t see how him having an affair with her is grounds for fire him- unless that is solely based on the work email usage

And with higher positions comes higher standards and expectations. If you want to be able to screw anyone that walks by, choose a job that won't be affected by it.

Plus it all comes down the money. There's usually an investigation, which costs money. People can sue. Clients, donors, anyone who pays can decide to take their money elsewhere because they don't approve of a man having an affair or sleeping with a subordinate. Way easier and cheaper to just fire them and find a replacement.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like men just cannot think properly when infatuated with a woman.

Why WHY would you use your work email to have an affair with a co-worker? Looks consensual, and that maybe she turned it him after putting up with years of this relationship with him and finally realizing he wasn't going to leave his wife. So she turns him in. I hope she gets fired too though

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/you-can-give-me-a-private-briefing-emails-detail-ousted-university-of-michigan-presidents-inappropriate-relationship.html

Unclear what happened. Looks like she got upset that he was stringing her along. He just wanted to play — typical.

Yeah, looks like she was pretty into him and whatever was going on, until it become clear he wasn’t leaving wife

My god---at one point does any woman seriously think the married guy isn't leading them on? Are they all really that completely dumb and naive? This is the plot of every movie, drama, dateline, etc. show. You can't be a normal woman with self-esteem and a good head on shoulders and seriously think you are going to have a happy ending. 2% chance dummies.

She may have been extremely gullible. But he f’d himself by playing with her heart. There’s no way you come back from something like this, professionally or personally.

It’s always bad karma to play with someone else’s feelings. He got what he wanted and then left. Guess he didn’t realize there would be consequences.

And the other women that know about a wife and kids and still choose to pursue and screw a married man face karma too.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like men just cannot think properly when infatuated with a woman.

Why WHY would you use your work email to have an affair with a co-worker? Looks consensual, and that maybe she turned it him after putting up with years of this relationship with him and finally realizing he wasn't going to leave his wife. So she turns him in. I hope she gets fired too though

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/you-can-give-me-a-private-briefing-emails-detail-ousted-university-of-michigan-presidents-inappropriate-relationship.html

Unclear what happened. Looks like she got upset that he was stringing her along. He just wanted to play — typical.

Yeah, looks like she was pretty into him and whatever was going on, until it become clear he wasn’t leaving wife

My god---at one point does any woman seriously think the married guy isn't leading them on? Are they all really that completely dumb and naive? This is the plot of every movie, drama, dateline, etc. show. You can't be a normal woman with self-esteem and a good head on shoulders and seriously think you are going to have a happy ending. 2% chance dummies.

She may have been extremely gullible. But he f’d himself by playing with her heart. There’s no way you come back from something like this, professionally or personally.

It’s always bad karma to play with someone else’s feelings. He got what he wanted and then left. Guess he didn’t realize there would be consequences.

And the other women that know about a wife and kids and still choose to pursue and screw a married man face karma too.

In this case it’s the man who is paying a hefty price for the indiscretion. But we get it, you’d like to see a witch hunt for her too.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like men just cannot think properly when infatuated with a woman.

Why WHY would you use your work email to have an affair with a co-worker? Looks consensual, and that maybe she turned it him after putting up with years of this relationship with him and finally realizing he wasn't going to leave his wife. So she turns him in. I hope she gets fired too though

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/you-can-give-me-a-private-briefing-emails-detail-ousted-university-of-michigan-presidents-inappropriate-relationship.html

Unclear what happened. Looks like she got upset that he was stringing her along. He just wanted to play — typical.

Yeah, looks like she was pretty into him and whatever was going on, until it become clear he wasn’t leaving wife

My god---at one point does any woman seriously think the married guy isn't leading them on? Are they all really that completely dumb and naive? This is the plot of every movie, drama, dateline, etc. show. You can't be a normal woman with self-esteem and a good head on shoulders and seriously think you are going to have a happy ending. 2% chance dummies.

She may have been extremely gullible. But he f’d himself by playing with her heart. There’s no way you come back from something like this, professionally or personally.

It’s always bad karma to play with someone else’s feelings. He got what he wanted and then left. Guess he didn’t realize there would be consequences.

And the other women that know about a wife and kids and still choose to pursue and screw a married man face karma too.

In this case it’s the man who is paying a hefty price for the indiscretion. But we get it, you’d like to see a witch hunt for her too.

Nah. Life will take care of that.

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And if he chose the OW we would never have known about this? She had no problem with the ethical problem with this work violation, until he decided he didn’t want to leave his wife. Silly people.

Play with fire and get burned.

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Soooo much dumb commentary in this thread.

Like women have never lost their minds when infatuated with a man.

Like women have never behaved inappropriately at work.

We've all seen it happen but apparently hurr durr horny men are stoopid not like perfect special women.

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His wife won't leave.

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Anonymous wrote:His wife won't leave.

Is that what he told you? Ha

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What struck me most is the tone of their communications. It’s very polite and almost wistful. Reading it made me look up knish. I’ve never tried it.

I feel bad for both of them.

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Anonymous wrote:What struck me most is the tone of their communications. It’s very polite and almost wistful. Reading it made me look up knish. I’ve never tried it.

I feel bad for both of them.

It’s a Jewish thing—knish.

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My wife cheated so, yeah, you can take your sexist assumptions and screw it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What struck me most is the tone of their communications. It’s very polite and almost wistful. Reading it made me look up knish. I’ve never tried it.

I feel bad for both of them.

Yes, they did seem rather sweet to each other

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife cheated so, yeah, you can take your sexist assumptions and screw it

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