Do men never learn? Cheating

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really feel like men just cannot think properly when infatuated with a woman.

Why WHY would you use your work email to have an affair with a co-worker? Looks consensual, and that maybe she turned it him after putting up with years of this relationship with him and finally realizing he wasn't going to leave his wife. So she turns him in. I hope she gets fired too though

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/you-can-give-me-a-private-briefing-emails-detail-ousted-university-of-michigan-presidents-inappropriate-relationship.html

Unclear what happened. Looks like she got upset that he was stringing her along. He just wanted to play — typical.

Yeah, looks like she was pretty into him and whatever was going on, until it become clear he wasn’t leaving wife

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because she was his subordinate.

I’m not against coworkers dating, but anytime there’s a power difference, there’s room for problems. The subordinate could get or expect special favors, and there’s a long history of those in power using their position to demand sexual favors. Relationships always need to be disclosed to HR to make sure there’s no conflict and to protect both parties.

It also reflects poorly on the university. People are going to be upset their kids’ tuition is paying for a creep to have an affair.

Unless it is specified in your work contract that you cannot have a personal relationship with coworker, I don’t see how this matters. Unless it is proven in correspondence he is leveraging his position and their relationship to influence her at work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really feel like men just cannot think properly when infatuated with a woman.

Why WHY would you use your work email to have an affair with a co-worker? Looks consensual, and that maybe she turned it him after putting up with years of this relationship with him and finally realizing he wasn't going to leave his wife. So she turns him in. I hope she gets fired too though

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/you-can-give-me-a-private-briefing-emails-detail-ousted-university-of-michigan-presidents-inappropriate-relationship.html

Unclear what happened. Looks like she got upset that he was stringing her along. He just wanted to play — typical.

Yeah, looks like she was pretty into him and whatever was going on, until it become clear he wasn’t leaving wife

My god---at one point does any woman seriously think the married guy isn't leading them on? Are they all really that completely dumb and naive? This is the plot of every movie, drama, dateline, etc. show. You can't be a normal woman with self-esteem and a good head on shoulders and seriously think you are going to have a happy ending. 2% chance dummies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because she was his subordinate.

I’m not against coworkers dating, but anytime there’s a power difference, there’s room for problems. The subordinate could get or expect special favors, and there’s a long history of those in power using their position to demand sexual favors. Relationships always need to be disclosed to HR to make sure there’s no conflict and to protect both parties.

It also reflects poorly on the university. People are going to be upset their kids’ tuition is paying for a creep to have an affair.

Unless it is specified in your work contract that you cannot have a personal relationship with coworker, I don’t see how this matters. Unless it is proven in correspondence he is leveraging his position and their relationship to influence her at work

Most companies have rules regarding relationships because they usually just cause a ton of drama and problems.

Like this case, someone could lead their AP on that they’re going to leave the spouse. Then when they don’t and the AP gets upset, AP could potentially dig up something that does make it sound like they were getting favors or being coerced. And now there’s a potential lawsuit, at the very least money will be spent on attorney’s fees.

Or the cheated-on spouse can cause trouble.

Or someone could be sleeping with multiple people in the workplace and cause drama. I’ve seen that happen, it got bad when an STD got passed around.

You’ve also got scorned lovers who, while technically nothing “wrong” was done, then seek vengeance in the workplace by sabatoging the other person or filing nonstop complaints against them or otherwise making it a hostile, unpleasant work environment.

People also tend to HATE cheating men in positions of power, look what happened to Bill Clinton. Consensual but caused a ton of trouble and cost lots of money. Public perception is important.

The military has VERY strict policies around affairs and not being involved at all, because they know the problems it causes.

In my case, I did date a superior and while we did everything right, it caused so much trouble with other people that we split up because it was easier than dealing with the drama.

HR does what they can to protect the company. They don’t care about people getting laid, meeting their soulmate, whatever. The university likely did have a clause about relationships, and he screwed up by not reporting it. Probably did not report it because he knew an affair would not be approved and would cause him to be dismissed.

[Anonymous]

Can he "lure you to visit with the promise of a knish?"

He should be fired for posting cringe.

Never text/email anything to someone you're f8cking you wouldn't be completely fine having posted on the Jumbotron of an event you're attending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can he "lure you to visit with the promise of a knish?"

He should be fired for posting cringe.

Never text/email anything to someone you're f8cking you wouldn't be completely fine having posted on the Jumbotron of an event you're attending.

What is knish?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can he "lure you to visit with the promise of a knish?"

He should be fired for posting cringe.

Never text/email anything to someone you're f8cking you wouldn't be completely fine having posted on the Jumbotron of an event you're attending.

"I'm gonna love you alive, babe". Bezos

And oh god, the nasty "Tampongate" with Charles and Camilla. Nothing tops that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because she was his subordinate.

I’m not against coworkers dating, but anytime there’s a power difference, there’s room for problems. The subordinate could get or expect special favors, and there’s a long history of those in power using their position to demand sexual favors. Relationships always need to be disclosed to HR to make sure there’s no conflict and to protect both parties.

It also reflects poorly on the university. People are going to be upset their kids’ tuition is paying for a creep to have an affair.

Unless it is specified in your work contract that you cannot have a personal relationship with coworker, I don’t see how this matters. Unless it is proven in correspondence he is leveraging his position and their relationship to influence her at work

Most companies have rules regarding relationships because they usually just cause a ton of drama and problems.

Like this case, someone could lead their AP on that they’re going to leave the spouse. Then when they don’t and the AP gets upset, AP could potentially dig up something that does make it sound like they were getting favors or being coerced. And now there’s a potential lawsuit, at the very least money will be spent on attorney’s fees.

Or the cheated-on spouse can cause trouble.

Or someone could be sleeping with multiple people in the workplace and cause drama. I’ve seen that happen, it got bad when an STD got passed around.

You’ve also got scorned lovers who, while technically nothing “wrong” was done, then seek vengeance in the workplace by sabatoging the other person or filing nonstop complaints against them or otherwise making it a hostile, unpleasant work environment.

People also tend to HATE cheating men in positions of power, look what happened to Bill Clinton. Consensual but caused a ton of trouble and cost lots of money. Public perception is important.

The military has VERY strict policies around affairs and not being involved at all, because they know the problems it causes.

In my case, I did date a superior and while we did everything right, it caused so much trouble with other people that we split up because it was easier than dealing with the drama.

HR does what they can to protect the company. They don’t care about people getting laid, meeting their soulmate, whatever. The university likely did have a clause about relationships, and he screwed up by not reporting it. Probably did not report it because he knew an affair would not be approved and would cause him to be dismissed.

The military yes. But I have never seen the same rules or expectations in civilian work place. As university president, subordinate could be literally any employee. Unless he was getting her hired into positions she didn’t qualify for or authorizing unwarranted pay raises or budget increases for her dept, I don’t see how him having an affair with her is grounds for fire him- unless that is solely based on the work email usage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because she was his subordinate.

I’m not against coworkers dating, but anytime there’s a power difference, there’s room for problems. The subordinate could get or expect special favors, and there’s a long history of those in power using their position to demand sexual favors. Relationships always need to be disclosed to HR to make sure there’s no conflict and to protect both parties.

It also reflects poorly on the university. People are going to be upset their kids’ tuition is paying for a creep to have an affair.

Unless it is specified in your work contract that you cannot have a personal relationship with coworker, I don’t see how this matters. Unless it is proven in correspondence he is leveraging his position and their relationship to influence her at work

It would be enough if she mentioned it to a Title IX mandated reporter, which most other employees are. It might have caused suspicions of inappropriate behavior with work funds or resources. Ultimately, the President isn’t like a lowly administrator who might have gotten away with a slap on the wrist. He is a figurehead and represents the university. They went out of their way to shame him by publishing the correspondence as a warning to others. Title IX is big for universities nowadays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can he "lure you to visit with the promise of a knish?"

He should be fired for posting cringe.

Never text/email anything to someone you're f8cking you wouldn't be completely fine having posted on the Jumbotron of an event you're attending.

What is knish?

Not something that would lure anyone in their right mind. It’s like a thick potato dumpling with a bland interior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really feel like men just cannot think properly when infatuated with a woman.

Why WHY would you use your work email to have an affair with a co-worker? Looks consensual, and that maybe she turned it him after putting up with years of this relationship with him and finally realizing he wasn't going to leave his wife. So she turns him in. I hope she gets fired too though

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/you-can-give-me-a-private-briefing-emails-detail-ousted-university-of-michigan-presidents-inappropriate-relationship.html

Unclear what happened. Looks like she got upset that he was stringing her along. He just wanted to play — typical.

Yeah, looks like she was pretty into him and whatever was going on, until it become clear he wasn’t leaving wife

My god---at one point does any woman seriously think the married guy isn't leading them on? Are they all really that completely dumb and naive? This is the plot of every movie, drama, dateline, etc. show. You can't be a normal woman with self-esteem and a good head on shoulders and seriously think you are going to have a happy ending. 2% chance dummies.

She may have been extremely gullible. But he f’d himself by playing with her heart. There’s no way you come back from something like this, professionally or personally.

It’s always bad karma to play with someone else’s feelings. He got what he wanted and then left. Guess he didn’t realize there would be consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because she was his subordinate.

I’m not against coworkers dating, but anytime there’s a power difference, there’s room for problems. The subordinate could get or expect special favors, and there’s a long history of those in power using their position to demand sexual favors. Relationships always need to be disclosed to HR to make sure there’s no conflict and to protect both parties.

It also reflects poorly on the university. People are going to be upset their kids’ tuition is paying for a creep to have an affair.

Unless it is specified in your work contract that you cannot have a personal relationship with coworker, I don’t see how this matters. Unless it is proven in correspondence he is leveraging his position and their relationship to influence her at work

It would be enough if she mentioned it to a Title IX mandated reporter, which most other employees are. It might have caused suspicions of inappropriate behavior with work funds or resources. Ultimately, the President isn’t like a lowly administrator who might have gotten away with a slap on the wrist. He is a figurehead and represents the university. They went out of their way to shame him by publishing the correspondence as a warning to others. Title IX is big for universities nowadays.

Who’s the dummy now? She gets to be anonymous and his job is gone and reputation are ruined

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread on this. So how is this just the man’s fault? It seems to be two consenting adults. What did he trick helpless woman intoan affair?

Because women don't actually want sex for pleasure. They only do it because they were manipulated. Don't you know this in the year 2022? Women don't have agency to engage in sex like men do

Imagine actually believing this. Haha

[Anonymous]

He destroyed his professional (and personal) reputation over this, and his career. He blew a $10m dollar parachute provision because he was fired for cause. He probably just lost his marriage and likely any good will from his four kids. This is the kind of thing cheaters risk because they don't/can't forecast and believe they will never be caught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men are motivated by sex in ways women will never, ever understand.

Watch the nature channel and the two Rams bashing heads for the right to mate. That level of insanity is basically all male mammals.

ITA and I'd also add that men would never understand the anger of a scorned woman, hence what happened here.