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Anonymous wrote:Just heard from high schooler that what he has heard is the following: a group of JV football members called another kid the n-word while on the "learning stairs". Then other kids jumped to the black kid's defense. Not sure if this is true or just rumors.

Why did the school need to publish this incident and rile up the community? Seems the kids handled themselves well and the offender can face appropriate school discipline.

Because we need to shine light into the ugly corners in order to help people understand that this happens everywhere, even in "nice" schools, "nice" towns and "nice" families. Because I don't consider it "riling up the community" to get people aware and angry about abusive, racist language. Because there need to be consequences for choosing to act that way, beyond a quiet conference with your parents and the vice principal.

YES!! Well said.

What is the end goal? Is it to correct the child's behavior? If so, then using some discretion seems more likely to result in genuine regret, while naming-and-shaming seems more likely to result in perpetual resentment / ostracization. Is it so the victim (and perhaps others that feel victimized by proxy) feels a sense of vengeance? Does it matter if the perpetrator was also a person of color?

So with your logic all act of racism should be brushed under the rug so the perpetrator doesn't become resentful? You're worried that someone is going to become resentful because they are publicly held accountable for something they actually said? Public shame, especially if it might impact college prospects, will curtail negative behavior. How is it vengeance to not want black students to be subjected to racial slurs? Clearly quiet conferences aren't working but keep being an enabler by coddling bigots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Well I'm from FCC and I'd like to know your identity. If we're going to name-and-shame the transgressors, we should also name-and-praise the publicly extra-pious, right? Fair's fair. Plus, it'll give the hopefully very regretful child and his parents a chance to make sure their accusers haven't said or done anything, ever, that they regret and would prefer not be made public.

Guessing you're the parent of one of the poor little persecuted kids who just said one little racist word. Note to you, just let your kids know that what you say at home isn't acceptable in public. It will serve them well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

Well, a ripped out soap dispenser means all the 1,000 kids at a school have to use like 2 open bathrooms. But no, that’s not as impactful; it’s true. But, say, getting punched in the face is more harmful than being called a name, yes. Regardless of race or reason. Being bullied because you are fat or gay can be just as harmful as being called a racial slur. There are many ways kids can be cruel and harmful. Racism is absolutely not ok. But so are other things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

Well, a ripped out soap dispenser means all the 1,000 kids at a school have to use like 2 open bathrooms. But no, that’s not as impactful; it’s true. But, say, getting punched in the face is more harmful than being called a name, yes. Regardless of race or reason. Being bullied because you are fat or gay can be just as harmful as being called a racial slur. There are many ways kids can be cruel and harmful. Racism is absolutely not ok. But so are other things.

I think students using anti gay slurs should be named and shamed too, so at least we've found common ground. If people like you spent all the energy you are spending saying this should be handled quietly on making it clear to your kids not to use hateful language, none of these machinations would be necessary. We are talking about high schoolers in this case. Are you saying this isn't something they can't handle at that age. You think black kids should be subjected to this painful word because a teenager doesn't have the discipline to refrain from saying a word they've been told repeatedly they should not. Or maybe that's the problem, they haven't been told. In that case, their parents are responsible for whatever consequesnce result. Is this really that hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

Well, a ripped out soap dispenser means all the 1,000 kids at a school have to use like 2 open bathrooms. But no, that’s not as impactful; it’s true. But, say, getting punched in the face is more harmful than being called a name, yes. Regardless of race or reason. Being bullied because you are fat or gay can be just as harmful as being called a racial slur. There are many ways kids can be cruel and harmful. Racism is absolutely not ok. But so are other things.

I think students using anti gay slurs should be named and shamed too, so at least we've found common ground. If people like you spent all the energy you are spending saying this should be handled quietly on making it clear to your kids not to use hateful language, none of these machinations would be necessary. We are talking about high schoolers in this case. Are you saying this isn't something they can't handle at that age. You think black kids should be subjected to this painful word because a teenager doesn't have the discipline to refrain from saying a word they've been told repeatedly they should not. Or maybe that's the problem, they haven't been told. In that case, their parents are responsible for whatever consequesnce result. Is this really that hard?

I do make it clear to my kids that none of this is ok, and I think there should be negative consequences at school & at home. I just don’t think any of these kids— minors— should be publicly named. I notice you agree gay slurs are also bad but didn’t mention fat shaming. Cruelty is cruelty even if it isn’t related to an agenda or narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

Well, a ripped out soap dispenser means all the 1,000 kids at a school have to use like 2 open bathrooms. But no, that’s not as impactful; it’s true. But, say, getting punched in the face is more harmful than being called a name, yes. Regardless of race or reason. Being bullied because you are fat or gay can be just as harmful as being called a racial slur. There are many ways kids can be cruel and harmful. Racism is absolutely not ok. But so are other things.

I think students using anti gay slurs should be named and shamed too, so at least we've found common ground. If people like you spent all the energy you are spending saying this should be handled quietly on making it clear to your kids not to use hateful language, none of these machinations would be necessary. We are talking about high schoolers in this case. Are you saying this isn't something they can't handle at that age. You think black kids should be subjected to this painful word because a teenager doesn't have the discipline to refrain from saying a word they've been told repeatedly they should not. Or maybe that's the problem, they haven't been told. In that case, their parents are responsible for whatever consequesnce result. Is this really that hard?

I do make it clear to my kids that none of this is ok, and I think there should be negative consequences at school & at home. I just don’t think any of these kids— minors— should be publicly named. I notice you agree gay slurs are also bad but didn’t mention fat shaming. Cruelty is cruelty even if it isn’t related to an agenda or narrative.

This isn't about agenda or narrative. It's about you wanting racism to be swept under the rug. Clearly there are no consequences at home if they feel comfortable doing this. In fact, they likely have enablers like you as parents. Even if they don't get named now, just hope the person they called the n word doesn't put them on blast when they are 18, no longer minors, and get accepted to their dream college. If you choose not to stop this at home, then someone else might get to decide what the consequences will be. This has happened to multiple people. Learn from their mistakes or deal with whatever consequences result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

Well, a ripped out soap dispenser means all the 1,000 kids at a school have to use like 2 open bathrooms. But no, that’s not as impactful; it’s true. But, say, getting punched in the face is more harmful than being called a name, yes. Regardless of race or reason. Being bullied because you are fat or gay can be just as harmful as being called a racial slur. There are many ways kids can be cruel and harmful. Racism is absolutely not ok. But so are other things.

I think students using anti gay slurs should be named and shamed too, so at least we've found common ground. If people like you spent all the energy you are spending saying this should be handled quietly on making it clear to your kids not to use hateful language, none of these machinations would be necessary. We are talking about high schoolers in this case. Are you saying this isn't something they can't handle at that age. You think black kids should be subjected to this painful word because a teenager doesn't have the discipline to refrain from saying a word they've been told repeatedly they should not. Or maybe that's the problem, they haven't been told. In that case, their parents are responsible for whatever consequesnce result. Is this really that hard?

I do make it clear to my kids that none of this is ok, and I think there should be negative consequences at school & at home. I just don’t think any of these kids— minors— should be publicly named. I notice you agree gay slurs are also bad but didn’t mention fat shaming. Cruelty is cruelty even if it isn’t related to an agenda or narrative.

This isn't about agenda or narrative. It's about you wanting racism to be swept under the rug. Clearly there are no consequences at home if they feel comfortable doing this. In fact, they likely have enablers like you as parents. Even if they don't get named now, just hope the person they called the n word doesn't put them on blast when they are 18, no longer minors, and get accepted to their dream college. If you choose not to stop this at home, then someone else might get to decide what the consequences will be. This has happened to multiple people. Learn from their mistakes or deal with whatever consequences result.

I don’t know what you are talking about. Did you miss the part where I said my kids know this isn’t ok? Not everyone who disagrees with you is a racist raising racist children. And teens do all kinds of things their parents don’t approve of. It’s been this way as long as there have been teenagers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Yeah, and they should publish the names of kids getting in fights so everyone can see who’s raising violent kids. And the names of the bathroom vandals so people can see who’s raising criminals. And so on. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Of course what happened is bad. But it’s not uniquely bad & doesn’t mean the kid is being raised by racists. Kids do mean & stupid things & need to know that’s not acceptable at all. But it doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption & learning.

People like you are the reason white kids think it's ok to call black kids the N word. You just said a white kid calling a black kid a n****r is not uniquely bad. Do you really think a ripped out soap dispenser has the same impact as a black kid being called the n word? SMH.

Well, a ripped out soap dispenser means all the 1,000 kids at a school have to use like 2 open bathrooms. But no, that’s not as impactful; it’s true. But, say, getting punched in the face is more harmful than being called a name, yes. Regardless of race or reason. Being bullied because you are fat or gay can be just as harmful as being called a racial slur. There are many ways kids can be cruel and harmful. Racism is absolutely not ok. But so are other things.

I think students using anti gay slurs should be named and shamed too, so at least we've found common ground. If people like you spent all the energy you are spending saying this should be handled quietly on making it clear to your kids not to use hateful language, none of these machinations would be necessary. We are talking about high schoolers in this case. Are you saying this isn't something they can't handle at that age. You think black kids should be subjected to this painful word because a teenager doesn't have the discipline to refrain from saying a word they've been told repeatedly they should not. Or maybe that's the problem, they haven't been told. In that case, their parents are responsible for whatever consequesnce result. Is this really that hard?

I do make it clear to my kids that none of this is ok, and I think there should be negative consequences at school & at home. I just don’t think any of these kids— minors— should be publicly named. I notice you agree gay slurs are also bad but didn’t mention fat shaming. Cruelty is cruelty even if it isn’t related to an agenda or narrative.

This isn't about agenda or narrative. It's about you wanting racism to be swept under the rug. Clearly there are no consequences at home if they feel comfortable doing this. In fact, they likely have enablers like you as parents. Even if they don't get named now, just hope the person they called the n word doesn't put them on blast when they are 18, no longer minors, and get accepted to their dream college. If you choose not to stop this at home, then someone else might get to decide what the consequences will be. This has happened to multiple people. Learn from their mistakes or deal with whatever consequences result.

I don’t know what you are talking about. Did you miss the part where I said my kids know this isn’t ok? Not everyone who disagrees with you is a racist raising racist children. And teens do all kinds of things their parents don’t approve of. It’s been this way as long as there have been teenagers.

And it continues because enablers like you make excuses. SMH.

Yeah and enablers like you are why this specific issue continues.

[Anonymous]

DP. Please stop the arguing. No one thinks hateful speak or racism should ever be tolerated. The real issue is the lack of discipline. How is this being handled besides putting out that video? It’s known that schools all over lack real discipline and consequences now. That needs to change. A video and conversations at home will only do so much when kids know they are going to get a slap on the wrist from the school. I hope the students engaging in any of the things mentioned on this thread face real consequences and not restorative justice of some sort, where they are counseled and then go do it again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Well I'm from FCC and I'd like to know your identity. If we're going to name-and-shame the transgressors, we should also name-and-praise the publicly extra-pious, right? Fair's fair. Plus, it'll give the hopefully very regretful child and his parents a chance to make sure their accusers haven't said or done anything, ever, that they regret and would prefer not be made public.

Guessing you're the parent of one of the poor little persecuted kids who just said one little racist word. Note to you, just let your kids know that what you say at home isn't acceptable in public. It will serve them well.

I was almost convinced that you were seriously advocating that public schools should shame students as a punishment, but then you went for the personal attack and made everything clear -- you're just trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Well I'm from FCC and I'd like to know your identity. If we're going to name-and-shame the transgressors, we should also name-and-praise the publicly extra-pious, right? Fair's fair. Plus, it'll give the hopefully very regretful child and his parents a chance to make sure their accusers haven't said or done anything, ever, that they regret and would prefer not be made public.

Guessing you're the parent of one of the poor little persecuted kids who just said one little racist word. Note to you, just let your kids know that what you say at home isn't acceptable in public. It will serve them well.

I was almost convinced that you were seriously advocating that public schools should shame students as a punishment, but then you went for the personal attack and made everything clear -- you're just trolling.

If by trolling you mean sick of all the apologists on this thread who think calling a black kid the n word isn't a big deal and should be brushed under the rug, then I guess I'm trolling. PPs were questing whether anything should have been said at all publicly because this is no different than any other infraction. I hate social media but the one upside is it tends to eventually take care of racist. This will come back to haunt the offenders so I guess that will be punishment enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Well I'm from FCC and I'd like to know your identity. If we're going to name-and-shame the transgressors, we should also name-and-praise the publicly extra-pious, right? Fair's fair. Plus, it'll give the hopefully very regretful child and his parents a chance to make sure their accusers haven't said or done anything, ever, that they regret and would prefer not be made public.

Guessing you're the parent of one of the poor little persecuted kids who just said one little racist word. Note to you, just let your kids know that what you say at home isn't acceptable in public. It will serve them well.

I was almost convinced that you were seriously advocating that public schools should shame students as a punishment, but then you went for the personal attack and made everything clear -- you're just trolling.

If by trolling you mean sick of all the apologists on this thread who think calling a black kid the n word isn't a big deal and should be brushed under the rug, then I guess I'm trolling. PPs were questing whether anything should have been said at all publicly because this is no different than any other infraction. I hate social media but the one upside is it tends to eventually take care of racist. This will come back to haunt the offenders so I guess that will be punishment enough.

You are a troll advocating for permanently shaming teenagers as if they can never change. What do you think happens when they start off life unable to go to college or work? Straight to extremism. Besides, we don't want to become Montgomery County where school is shutdown whenever they discover a swastika or profanity scrawled in a bathroom stall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP.

Betting those on this thread who think the school shouldn’t have published it are not from FCC. Every parent I know is horrified and frankly I wish they’d publish the names of the racists as well. I’d like to know which parents are raising these kids.

Well I'm from FCC and I'd like to know your identity. If we're going to name-and-shame the transgressors, we should also name-and-praise the publicly extra-pious, right? Fair's fair. Plus, it'll give the hopefully very regretful child and his parents a chance to make sure their accusers haven't said or done anything, ever, that they regret and would prefer not be made public.

Guessing you're the parent of one of the poor little persecuted kids who just said one little racist word. Note to you, just let your kids know that what you say at home isn't acceptable in public. It will serve them well.

I was almost convinced that you were seriously advocating that public schools should shame students as a punishment, but then you went for the personal attack and made everything clear -- you're just trolling.

If by trolling you mean sick of all the apologists on this thread who think calling a black kid the n word isn't a big deal and should be brushed under the rug, then I guess I'm trolling. PPs were questing whether anything should have been said at all publicly because this is no different than any other infraction. I hate social media but the one upside is it tends to eventually take care of racist. This will come back to haunt the offenders so I guess that will be punishment enough.

You are a troll advocating for permanently shaming teenagers as if they can never change. What do you think happens when they start off life unable to go to college or work? Straight to extremism. Besides, we don't want to become Montgomery County where school is shutdown whenever they discover a swastika or profanity scrawled in a bathroom stall.

It sounds like PP would be a lot more comfortable in Montgomery County. It's more her style.