ECNL - RL

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't think CCL will survive much longer. My kids were in CCL 1 last year at different age groups and, while the top teams were very strong, and the middle teams were all solid, the weak teams were MUCH weaker--comparable to NCSL 3 or 4. All of those strong teams have left CCL, except Alexandria U9-U12. All of them. I no longer have kids in CCL but I assume after these changes, the now top teams of my kids' former divisions at around the level of NCSL 1 and 2. There is no other league I have seen that has such disparity within divisions as CCL.

Obviously, there are exceptional teams that may be stronger than others in the category above (for example, many of Arlington's ECNL teams would be good MLS Next teams), but for boys, I think it goes like this:

MLS Next
ECNL
EDP D1 and D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D3/NCSL 1
EDP 4 and NCSL 2
CCL 1
CCL 2/NCSL 3 - 5

CCL 1 is better than edp 4 maybe even 3 I respect everyone's opinion but ccl is not terrible like everyone says they are

the upper half of ccl2 isn't bad so maybe ncsl 2 and edp 4 tier

Yes, EDP 4 is pretty much rec. You might get one or two decent teams. I'm thinking CCL1 = EDP 3 on average.

But in general, it depends on the age, so this is almost impossible to do. And I'm not so sure MLS Next > ECNL at least in the DMV.

Arlington and VDA have some teams that would be fine in MLS Next, but the other ECNL clubs would get mowed down.

I disagree with this. Richmond would be more than fine in MLS Next, and Loudoun would not disgrace itself. McLean and BRYC would indeed get mowed down.

I wasn’t considering Richmond due to their location, but yes, they’d be fine. Loudoun is a joke.

you read online forums about kids playing soccer. you are the joke.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't think CCL will survive much longer. My kids were in CCL 1 last year at different age groups and, while the top teams were very strong, and the middle teams were all solid, the weak teams were MUCH weaker--comparable to NCSL 3 or 4. All of those strong teams have left CCL, except Alexandria U9-U12. All of them. I no longer have kids in CCL but I assume after these changes, the now top teams of my kids' former divisions at around the level of NCSL 1 and 2. There is no other league I have seen that has such disparity within divisions as CCL.

Obviously, there are exceptional teams that may be stronger than others in the category above (for example, many of Arlington's ECNL teams would be good MLS Next teams), but for boys, I think it goes like this:

MLS Next
ECNL
EDP D1 and D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D3/NCSL 1
EDP 4 and NCSL 2
CCL 1
CCL 2/NCSL 3 - 5

CCL 1 is better than edp 4 maybe even 3 I respect everyone's opinion but ccl is not terrible like everyone says they are

the upper half of ccl2 isn't bad so maybe ncsl 2 and edp 4 tier

Yes, EDP 4 is pretty much rec. You might get one or two decent teams. I'm thinking CCL1 = EDP 3 on average.

But in general, it depends on the age, so this is almost impossible to do. And I'm not so sure MLS Next > ECNL at least in the DMV.

Arlington and VDA have some teams that would be fine in MLS Next, but the other ECNL clubs would get mowed down.

I disagree with this. Richmond would be more than fine in MLS Next, and Loudoun would not disgrace itself. McLean and BRYC would indeed get mowed down.

I wasn’t considering Richmond due to their location, but yes, they’d be fine. Loudoun is a joke.

you read online forums about kids playing soccer. you are the joke.

As are you, then. Welcome to the club!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:

MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2

CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.

You forgot Legacy and FFC. That allowed the north/south divisions in ECNL-R. Now that there is a north division it makes no sense for the NOVA clubs still in CCL to not make the switch. A lot of parents at NOVA CCL clubs are going to think it’s stupid to go play Roanoke or Rush when they could play local rivals within an hour or less.

FFC and Legacy were very poor clubs at the end of their CCL run. Good teams in a few age groups but look at the standings. Both clubs are near the bottom in almost every age group. The drive definitely is a major factor.

FFC does look terrible based on CCL standings last year. Girls side, u14 - u18 they had teams in only 2 age groups and no team in 3 age groups. It looks like this year they at least managed to scrape together a team in every age group. Maybe the ECNL-RL branding was able to attract some NCSL players.

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After 3 games in ECNL-R, I would not rank it higher than last year's CCL. If anything, there are more teams on the lower end of competitiveness and less in the middle. A few of the clubs have no business even being in it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing good things about this league, is it a better option than CCL on the boys side?

ECNL-R is on par with MLSNext.

ECNL is better than both.

NCSL D1-3 are next

top EDP is a distant 7th

CCL can't hold EDP Premier 6's jock strap

What do u and morons like u gain from lying thru ur teeth?

EDP is the best league after the ECNL / GA conundrum.

Ncsl is a regional glorified rec league. God, people like u are a Cancer that needs to be eradicated

These people know nothing ^

Yes, ECNL-RL is good, but not the best. It’s far better than CCL Prem now. But before it was rebranded as ECNL-RL, when it was called NPL, they were pretty even. But now Arlington and Loudoun’s second teams joined them. Of course ECNL is still better than ECNL-RL. EDP divisions 1 and 2 are solid. But let’s be honest that Division 3 and lower are not good. I would say that the youth soccer pyramid is:

MLS Next/ECNL
ECNL-RL/EDP D1 and D2
CCL 1 /EDP D3 and D4
NCSL 1 and 2/CCL 2/
NCSL 3 - 5

I would have to agree that MLS Next is on par with ECNL and because of relegation and promotion I would put NCSL Div 1 at that level as well.

There is no way that two clubs in the area represent the best. I know it is somewhat unclear what is being ranked here, but if it is overall team competitiveness then there are couple teams in ECNL-RL that would compete with MLS Next and ECNL teams.


Starting at U14 for Boys

MLS Next/ECNL/NCSL D1&D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D1&D2
CCL 1 /EDP D3
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CCL 2/Rec(well trained)/NCSL D3 & lower/EDP D4 & lower

My DS plays on ECNL-RL so I don't really have a dog in this fight. I hope that for those parents reading this and have their son playing below the line realize their isn't college opportunities if they decide to quit travel. Yes, there are always exceptions to the rule, but mostly college coaches will want to know what league the player was in before they see anything else. If this is all for fun and staying fit, great and no need to worry about ranking. Just don't buy what your club is telling you if you're below the line.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/mlsnext/members - No way Alexandria and Springfield have a lock on the best coaches/players, honestly I would hate to travel that much when there are at least 10 great clubs in the area.

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In our experience, NCSL D1 is slightly below EDP D3. I like NCSL and wish it were populated by better teams, but at U13 the better teams leave for ECNL-R and EDP. For example, at U13 it looks like SYC has their 1st team in MLS NEXT, 2nd team in EDP D3 and 3rd team in NCSL D1. Some of the larger clubs have their 1st team in ECNL/MLS, 2nd team ECNL-R, 3rd team in NCSL D1 and 4th team in NCSL D2. EDP D1&2 is probably on average slightly above ENCL-R and EDP D3 probably a little below.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, NCSL D1 is slightly below EDP D3. I like NCSL and wish it were populated by better teams, but at U13 the better teams leave for ECNL-R and EDP. For example, at U13 it looks like SYC has their 1st team in MLS NEXT, 2nd team in EDP D3 and 3rd team in NCSL D1. Some of the larger clubs have their 1st team in ECNL/MLS, 2nd team ECNL-R, 3rd team in NCSL D1 and 4th team in NCSL D2. EDP D1&2 is probably on average slightly above ENCL-R and EDP D3 probably a little below.

NCSL DIV1

Current First Two Teams. They are not all the brand name, and I hear you about EDP D3, however if we are talking about competitive teams, these teams other than U13 have showed the ability to maintain at the top of the first division in their age bracket. Perhaps not all of these teams can win consistently against the top teams in ECNL/MLSNEXT, but I am certain they would compete against them.

Once you step into individual players and college placement/recruitment, the resources available to clubs and to those players with connected/knowledgeable parents become more apparent.

U13

TAPK Takoma Thunder 09
LOUD 09B Black


U14
PWSI Courage Boys 2008 Pride
OLNY Rangers Blue


U15
ARL 2007B White
SCAA Green 07B


U16
SDor U16 Elite
LOUD 06B Black
WBSC Strikers 06B Blue(had to add this team, they are a treat to watch)


U17
SDor U17 Elite
BRU United 05B Orange

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After 3 games in ECNL-R, I would not rank it higher than last year's CCL. If anything, there are more teams on the lower end of competitiveness and less in the middle. A few of the clubs have no business even being in it.

NOT POSSIBLE. SMOKIN CRACK. ECNL-R is far and away better in every single facet. EDP will likely close shop due to ECNL-R and NCSL. CCL is also creating their last breaths.

DD just received three offers on the spot this past weekend at her ECNL-R game. Is an ACC offer any good? We're new to this.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, NCSL D1 is slightly below EDP D3. I like NCSL and wish it were populated by better teams, but at U13 the better teams leave for ECNL-R and EDP. For example, at U13 it looks like SYC has their 1st team in MLS NEXT, 2nd team in EDP D3 and 3rd team in NCSL D1. Some of the larger clubs have their 1st team in ECNL/MLS, 2nd team ECNL-R, 3rd team in NCSL D1 and 4th team in NCSL D2. EDP D1&2 is probably on average slightly above ENCL-R and EDP D3 probably a little below.

Doesn't SYC have a CCL team at U13 or did they leave CCL? Which team is that? And they have kids on the Virginia Union team, too, I assume. How many teams do they have.

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Anonymous wrote:After 3 games in ECNL-R, I would not rank it higher than last year's CCL. If anything, there are more teams on the lower end of competitiveness and less in the middle. A few of the clubs have no business even being in it.

NOT POSSIBLE. SMOKIN CRACK. ECNL-R is far and away better in every single facet. EDP will likely close shop due to ECNL-R and NCSL. CCL is also creating their last breaths.

DD just received three offers on the spot this past weekend at her ECNL-R game. Is an ACC offer any good? We're new to this.

I don't think ECNL-R is a threat to EDP. I believe it's growing. It is the only league besides NCSL that as multiple levels. It is a much better set up all around.

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Anonymous wrote:After 3 games in ECNL-R, I would not rank it higher than last year's CCL. If anything, there are more teams on the lower end of competitiveness and less in the middle. A few of the clubs have no business even being in it.

NOT POSSIBLE. SMOKIN CRACK. ECNL-R is far and away better in every single facet. EDP will likely close shop due to ECNL-R and NCSL. CCL is also creating their last breaths.

DD just received three offers on the spot this past weekend at her ECNL-R game. Is an ACC offer any good? We're new to this.

I know this is in jest, but funny enough I went to an ACC match this weekend. It was terrible. The most boring brand of soccer I've seen in a while. I'd rather watch U18/19 club matches.

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Anonymous wrote:After 3 games in ECNL-R, I would not rank it higher than last year's CCL. If anything, there are more teams on the lower end of competitiveness and less in the middle. A few of the clubs have no business even being in it.

NOT POSSIBLE. SMOKIN CRACK. ECNL-R is far and away better in every single facet. EDP will likely close shop due to ECNL-R and NCSL. CCL is also creating their last breaths.

DD just received three offers on the spot this past weekend at her ECNL-R game. Is an ACC offer any good? We're new to this.

I know this is in jest, but funny enough I went to an ACC match this weekend. It was terrible. The most boring brand of soccer I've seen in a while. I'd rather watch U18/19 club matches.

It all depends given the club and age groups. There are CCL1 teams that beat ECNL teams.. There were NCSL div 1 teams that beat CCL1.. and vice versa… it’s laughable that people post here that X league is a road to college. It’s not… Show cases…. HS.. and coaching connections are what get then majority of kids looked at. But I do agree CCL is going to fold or merge within a year or two

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, NCSL D1 is slightly below EDP D3. I like NCSL and wish it were populated by better teams, but at U13 the better teams leave for ECNL-R and EDP. For example, at U13 it looks like SYC has their 1st team in MLS NEXT, 2nd team in EDP D3 and 3rd team in NCSL D1. Some of the larger clubs have their 1st team in ECNL/MLS, 2nd team ECNL-R, 3rd team in NCSL D1 and 4th team in NCSL D2. EDP D1&2 is probably on average slightly above ENCL-R and EDP D3 probably a little below.

I'm thinking don't quote me on this but edp div 1 and 2 are usys leagues and you sign up for usys leagues not edp you can be basically a ncsl div 4 team and apply for usys however if they don't accept you then you can just go to edp league but by the looks of it syc never applied for usys so they got placed in the highest edp league

that's my thinking
in my opinion I think leagues go:

mls next/ecnl
ecnl-rl/edp1
edp 2/ccl1
ncsl division 1
edp 3/ncsl division 2
edp 4 and championship division/ncsl div 3 lower/ccl2(some of the teams in ccl2 shouldn't be there) for example some barca teams some npsc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, NCSL D1 is slightly below EDP D3. I like NCSL and wish it were populated by better teams, but at U13 the better teams leave for ECNL-R and EDP. For example, at U13 it looks like SYC has their 1st team in MLS NEXT, 2nd team in EDP D3 and 3rd team in NCSL D1. Some of the larger clubs have their 1st team in ECNL/MLS, 2nd team ECNL-R, 3rd team in NCSL D1 and 4th team in NCSL D2. EDP D1&2 is probably on average slightly above ENCL-R and EDP D3 probably a little below.

NCSL DIV1

Current First Two Teams. They are not all the brand name, and I hear you about EDP D3, however if we are talking about competitive teams, these teams other than U13 have showed the ability to maintain at the top of the first division in their age bracket. Perhaps not all of these teams can win consistently against the top teams in ECNL/MLSNEXT, but I am certain they would compete against them.

Once you step into individual players and college placement/recruitment, the resources available to clubs and to those players with connected/knowledgeable parents become more apparent.

U13

TAPK Takoma Thunder 09
LOUD 09B Black


U14
PWSI Courage Boys 2008 Pride
OLNY Rangers Blue


U15
ARL 2007B White
SCAA Green 07B


U16
SDor U16 Elite
LOUD 06B Black
WBSC Strikers 06B Blue(had to add this team, they are a treat to watch)


U17
SDor U17 Elite
BRU United 05B Orange

I think you must know you are kidding here, but I will respond anyway - for the sake of any poor parent driving by this forum (before they figure out to flee in terror) trying to actually find information.

None of these teams would compete with the top ECNL/MLS Next teams.

Many of the teams you list are actually third teams (not second teams - third teams) from Arlington and Loudoun and VDA (PWSI). And Loudoun and VDA are not really top MLS Next / ECNL clubs. And as an FYI when Arlington, for example, scrimmages internally the top team plays the second team in the next age group up - and usually wins convincingly - so imagine how it would do against the third team in its own age group. My guess is you'd get margins of victory ranging from 3 goals to, quite possibly, double digits in games where the luck fell the better team's way.