ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

LOL. No. That's not how that works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

NP.

So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.

Ross and his buddies had no authority to interact with her or her car. None whatsoever.

So from the second the second car stopped and they got out, every single decision the ICE time was unauthorized. Trying to wrench open her door and shooting her in the face three times was illegal.

The only fact pattern that would change this assessment is if the ICE crowd had been pursuing people they reasonably believed to be subject to immigration enforcement laws who had jumped into Good’s Honda and she had then attempted to drive off with them on board. At that point, the ICE crowd could have followed her in their cars until it was safe to take her into custody for harboring people subject to immigration enforcement action.

This is factually incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

She obeyed the lawful commands to move her vehicle. You do know the agents were shouting contradictory commands at her right?

+1. You can see the video from the killer officer. Good’s last words were “it’s ok, I’m not mad at you.” His were “f****ing b**ch” after he shot her. We should all be very afraid if this is the caliber of people ICE is putting on our streets next to our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

Repeating it doesn't help his defense. Aside, how lawful was the command to exit the vehicle? Did they identify themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

LOL. No. That's not how that works.

It’s the law. That’s how the law works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

NP.

So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.

Ross and his buddies had no authority to interact with her or her car. None whatsoever.

So from the second the second car stopped and they got out, every single decision the ICE time was unauthorized. Trying to wrench open her door and shooting her in the face three times was illegal.

The only fact pattern that would change this assessment is if the ICE crowd had been pursuing people they reasonably believed to be subject to immigration enforcement laws who had jumped into Good’s Honda and she had then attempted to drive off with them on board. At that point, the ICE crowd could have followed her in their cars until it was safe to take her into custody for harboring people subject to immigration enforcement action.

This is factually incorrect.

Go on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

LOL. No. That's not how that works.

It’s the law. That’s how the law works.

Can you provide more detail?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

Best of luck with that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ross's own video clearly shows her cranking the steering wheel to the right, AWAY from him, BEFORE he shoots. He didn't shoot because he thought she was going to run him over, he shot her because he didn't want her to get away. He was determined to get her, and didn't care if it was dead or alive.

You think he was looking at the wheels of a 4000 lb car after she gunned the engine and he had to make a split second decision involving a car that was arms distance away?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ross's own video clearly shows her cranking the steering wheel to the right, AWAY from him, BEFORE he shoots. He didn't shoot because he thought she was going to run him over, he shot her because he didn't want her to get away. He was determined to get her, and didn't care if it was dead or alive.

You think he was looking at the wheels of a 4000 lb car after she gunned the engine and he had to make a split second decision involving a car that was arms distance away?

I don't think she "gunned" the engine. And he certainly had time by the time he fored the 2nd and 3rd shots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

I hope he gets his day in court and can explain what happened and why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ross's own video clearly shows her cranking the steering wheel to the right, AWAY from him, BEFORE he shoots. He didn't shoot because he thought she was going to run him over, he shot her because he didn't want her to get away. He was determined to get her, and didn't care if it was dead or alive.

You think he was looking at the wheels of a 4000 lb car after she gunned the engine and he had to make a split second decision involving a car that was arms distance away?

Ordinary people do it in parking lots every single day. And a split second decision means stepping to the side. Not stepping into the vehicle to discharge a weapon three times.