ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

She’d be alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

ICE has no jurisdiction over native born citizens- there is no legal world where a native born citizen has to comply.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

I understand that perfectly. None of her decisions or actions warranted her being shot in her car.

His decisions and actions better have some severe consequences. Like a lifetime in jail.

See how that actually works?

Dipshit.

You can call people names all day long. I did not say she deserved to be shot or die. I said every decision, every action has an outcome. Your name-calling doesn't change that fact about life.

Her outcome was murder. His outcome has just begun with him fleeing his home.

OP here. Yes, because of the bad choice he made.

She's murdered, and now his family suffers his consequences.

Yes, it's always sad when a person's poor choices impact innocent victims and loved ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

She’d be alive.

Are you sure about that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

ICE has no jurisdiction over native born citizens- there is no legal world where a native born citizen has to comply.

This is incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, the defense attorney won't be making your whiny arguments.

The defense attorney will win because he will have all of the evidence and a jury will never decide unanimously to convict based on that evidence.

When the prosecutor shows the jury that Ross was not in front of the car at the time he fired the first shot, his defense attorney will have a hard time explaining why it was reasonable to fear for his life.

His defense attorney will also have to explain why, even if he was in front of the car, Barnes v. Felix does not apply. To refresh your recollection, Barnes was a 9-0 US Supreme Court decision rendered in 2025 that stands for the proposition that an officer may not intentionally or recklessly place himself in a situation that causes him to fear for his life and then subsequently claim the use of deadly force was justified. Barnes specifically involved an officer who stepped in front of a vehicle. There is NO dispute that Ross stepped in front of the vehicle.

Ross is also going to take a beating on why he deliberately walked in front of her car not once but twice, going against all national police safety training about interacting with vehicles.

Violating a policy is not breaking the law.

Shooting twice into the driver side window after the perceived danger had passed...is.

The jury will decide that based on the totality of the evidence.

Agreed, that's what needs to happen. His defense attorney will have the opportunity to make his case. It'll take years to play out, of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

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So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

DP. Yep. And when you kill someone through officer-created exigency and outside the scope of justification, there are consequences. Ask Chauvin about that.

+1 And they’re doing it over and over again, in violation of a 9-0 decision from this Supreme Court last year (Barnes v Felix)

It’s almost like people shouldn’t be interfering with federal agents doing their jobs (something legal to do) by trying to intimidate, block, or ram them with their cars (something illegal to do). No adult with a functioning IQ and sense of accountability is moved that entitled, violent, idiots voluntarily put themselves in harms way because they don’t like that laws of this country are being enforced. We don’t care if they are “mommies” who care more about sticking it to Trump more than their own children as they abandon them to play revolutionary.

FYI, the defense attorney won't be making your whiny arguments.

The defense attorney is going to have a field day going through her voluminous violent and unhinged texts and emails.

Would you like to share with us under what theory of law and evidence those texts and emails would become relevant and admissible in a trial of the agent's actions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

She’d be alive.

Are you sure about that?

Can you link a case where a person that interfered with an immigration enforcement operation was removed from their vehicle and executed in the street?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

NP.

So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.

We all know that she didn't attempt to run him down. It's clownish to be continuing this argument. And even if she did "flee", the penalty is not being shot twice through the driver side window. The case is far from closed. It won't be closed for YEARS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

She’d be alive.

The way these ICE lunatics have been behaving, there's no guarantee of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

She obeyed the lawful commands to move her vehicle. You do know the agents were shouting contradictory commands at her right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

NP.

So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.

The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door. And she was letting everyone thrpugh, not just non-ICE vehicles. (How would that even work where ICE agents' vehicles were specifically not allowed to pass around her?)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

She’d be alive.

Are you sure about that?

Right? Seems pretty clear that he was going to kill someone that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

NP.

So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.

Ross and his buddies had no authority to interact with her or her car. None whatsoever.

So from the second the second car stopped and they got out, every single decision the ICE time was unauthorized. Trying to wrench open her door and shooting her in the face three times was illegal.

The only fact pattern that would change this assessment is if the ICE crowd had been pursuing people they reasonably believed to be subject to immigration enforcement laws who had jumped into Good’s Honda and she had then attempted to drive off with them on board. At that point, the ICE crowd could have followed her in their cars until it was safe to take her into custody for harboring people subject to immigration enforcement action.