Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:The common theme seems to be that she hasn't made a sensical decision throughout the entire process.

Also, having an affair isn't a crime. So regardless of any "conspiracy" if they had hooked up before, it's not unreasonable to believe that they would hook up after. It doesn't require a conspiracy to see that.

She’s not on trial because she hooked up with BB. She’s on trial because she killed a man and it is hard to see how it’s justified.

She wakes up in the middle of the night and JR is in her room? Sure.

She saves CB’s life and CB confirms that without the Au pair’s action, she would’ve died, because JR had BB in a chokehold or something? Sure.

But here, the Au pair sought out the situation and then - even though BB was armed and had already shot JR - she runs to a safe, grabs another gun and fatally shoots JR? And ends up not “saving” anyone’s life anyway? She made a dumb decision to use lethal force and she should go to prison for it.

Or, the guy who had apparently just stabbed a woman in the neck was moving towards her and her husband who was focused on rendering aide.

I think you have the facts of the story wrong. She shot Joe after Brendan already shot Joe and stabbed Christine. Christine and Brendan being Julianas’ employers and also Brendan’s affair partner.

There has been ZERO evidence shared by the police or the courts on who stabbed CB and which order the shoot/stabbing occurred. Prosecutors have to prove that JR wasn't a threat, which is much harder if he is the stabber. AP has a decent self-defense claim, since JR was larger and more physically fit, and the medical examiner has already testified in the prelim that she that JR could potentially see and move. It's also much more likely that JR was the stabber, because BB would have to be insanely quick to shoot JR, pickup the knife, and stab CB, all before AP entered. Why wouldn't CB resist if BB picked up the knife and came at her? She's much less likely to defend against JR, who was already using the knife on her for playtime, and was standing right next to her. She wouldn't expect that he'd actually cut her in anger.

It's just as likely that JR got infuriated, cut CB, and then tried to attack BB, who shot him, and went to his wife. AP then enters the room, freaks out, starts to call 911, see's JR still trying to move, gets the other gun for safety, and ends up shooting him when he goes for the knife again. The 911 call hangups is also potentially in her favor, since it shows she wanted to call police, but was probably freaking out at the situation. If we can hear the second call, it might give some idea into her state of mind, but it's logical she'd be panicking heavily. Initial reports said that she was barely able to say "My friend is hurt", and BB had to give directions to the house.

JR was a violent psycho drug addict deviant. He got off on cutting his victims and playing with blood. He went too far this time.


Glad he’s dead and I hope he suffered.

Oh BB’s mom….

Big Mama is big mad.

Joes hoes are big mad he dead.

reasonable people are mad that he was gunned down in cold blood. Don't worry this shows all the hallmarks of the perfect crime. I'd be depressed and driving like a dufus at the prospect of going to prison too. tick tok till the ap tells all. .

Gunned down in cold blood? He killed Christine Banfield with a knife and then tried to attack her husband.

I know that’s what you want to believe but I’m sorry that’s not where the evidence is pointing.

The Grand Jury certainly agrees. Their statement that they "Believe in Justice For Both" JR and CB couldn't be more clear.

The disgusting statements re: JR above are typical of the sort of dehumanizing thought patterns that enable crimes like this to occur.

BB chose not to divorce but to play chicken with local LE. One grand jury spoke clearly today. His days of freedom may well be numbered.

[Anonymous]

Wonder how long it will take for charges to be brought in the stabbing?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a news clip from tonight.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/fairfax/grand-jury-indicts-au-pair-in-connection-to-mans-death-in-fairfax-county/65-7958c778-e8c6-4ed9-ad11-b695b598357c
there is a longer write up under the clip

thanks for this. their statement is heartening, may justice prevail.

With all of the details provided in the article, it's too bad they screwed up on the lead to their story: they say that the trial is going to start on Thursday. Yet, it's only that the trial date will be selected on Thurs. Kind of undermines their accuracy.

They do say that AP admitted to shooting JR while he was on the ground. Again, she's going to have to testify in her trial to establish that while on the ground and suffering from a gunshot to the head, JR was somehow a threat to BB. In fact, according to AP's statement as publicized, she didn't say that she shot him b/c he was about to hurt BB. AP must have some REALLY fast fingers to be able to open a safe that is awkwardly located on the floor, spinning it left and right and left and right under great pressure to get it open fast. Think about how long it takes most teens to open their lockers! AP knew how to open that safe .... or .... was the safe conveniently left open b/c BB knew that the plan was for AP to shoot JR the second time to put her in the criminal acts with him????

The latter sounds more likely.

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In the video at the story above there is an image of a safe on the floor of what looks like a clothes closet, maybe it was in the same room?

Her lawyer previously stated that JR "moved." That will be the defense. Of course he was writhing in agony and was heard moaning in the 911 call...

I do think she will be convicted then deported. Not so sure about the rest of it, but hope, like in the Winger case, justice will eventually prevail.

RIP Joe and Christine, may you and your families get justice.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a news clip from tonight.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/fairfax/grand-jury-indicts-au-pair-in-connection-to-mans-death-in-fairfax-county/65-7958c778-e8c6-4ed9-ad11-b695b598357c
there is a longer write up under the clip

thanks for this. their statement is heartening, may justice prevail.

With all of the details provided in the article, it's too bad they screwed up on the lead to their story: they say that the trial is going to start on Thursday. Yet, it's only that the trial date will be selected on Thurs. Kind of undermines their accuracy.

They do say that AP admitted to shooting JR while he was on the ground. Again, she's going to have to testify in her trial to establish that while on the ground and suffering from a gunshot to the head, JR was somehow a threat to BB. In fact, according to AP's statement as publicized, she didn't say that she shot him b/c he was about to hurt BB. AP must have some REALLY fast fingers to be able to open a safe that is awkwardly located on the floor, spinning it left and right and left and right under great pressure to get it open fast. Think about how long it takes most teens to open their lockers! AP knew how to open that safe .... or .... was the safe conveniently left open b/c BB knew that the plan was for AP to shoot JR the second time to put her in the criminal acts with him????

The latter sounds more likely.

If BB had a plan, it would have been infinitely easier to keep AP out of it altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:The common theme seems to be that she hasn't made a sensical decision throughout the entire process.

Also, having an affair isn't a crime. So regardless of any "conspiracy" if they had hooked up before, it's not unreasonable to believe that they would hook up after. It doesn't require a conspiracy to see that.

She’s not on trial because she hooked up with BB. She’s on trial because she killed a man and it is hard to see how it’s justified.

She wakes up in the middle of the night and JR is in her room? Sure.

She saves CB’s life and CB confirms that without the Au pair’s action, she would’ve died, because JR had BB in a chokehold or something? Sure.

But here, the Au pair sought out the situation and then - even though BB was armed and had already shot JR - she runs to a safe, grabs another gun and fatally shoots JR? And ends up not “saving” anyone’s life anyway? She made a dumb decision to use lethal force and she should go to prison for it.

Or, the guy who had apparently just stabbed a woman in the neck was moving towards her and her husband who was focused on rendering aide.

I think you have the facts of the story wrong. She shot Joe after Brendan already shot Joe and stabbed Christine. Christine and Brendan being Julianas’ employers and also Brendan’s affair partner.

There has been ZERO evidence shared by the police or the courts on who stabbed CB and which order the shoot/stabbing occurred. Prosecutors have to prove that JR wasn't a threat, which is much harder if he is the stabber. AP has a decent self-defense claim, since JR was larger and more physically fit, and the medical examiner has already testified in the prelim that she that JR could potentially see and move. It's also much more likely that JR was the stabber, because BB would have to be insanely quick to shoot JR, pickup the knife, and stab CB, all before AP entered. Why wouldn't CB resist if BB picked up the knife and came at her? She's much less likely to defend against JR, who was already using the knife on her for playtime, and was standing right next to her. She wouldn't expect that he'd actually cut her in anger.

It's just as likely that JR got infuriated, cut CB, and then tried to attack BB, who shot him, and went to his wife. AP then enters the room, freaks out, starts to call 911, see's JR still trying to move, gets the other gun for safety, and ends up shooting him when he goes for the knife again. The 911 call hangups is also potentially in her favor, since it shows she wanted to call police, but was probably freaking out at the situation. If we can hear the second call, it might give some idea into her state of mind, but it's logical she'd be panicking heavily. Initial reports said that she was barely able to say "My friend is hurt", and BB had to give directions to the house.

No, pal. Just no.

Once JR was shot IN THE HEAD, it really doesn't matter if he had stabbed CB or not. (Although, you have quite the flare for fantasy.)

There is no evidence that JR was holding a knife after he was shot. (most likely b/c he was in excruciating pain from taking a bullet to the eye/head) There is no evidence that AP or anyone was in IMMINENT risk of serious bodily harm from JR. The most that we know about AP's version of events is that JR "moved" while he was on the ground.

Who knows what will come out at trial -- but it's going to take a LOT for AP to convince a jury that she was reasonable in believing that JR posed an imminent threat to her or others. I don't think she can do that without taking the stand and testifying that JR was coming at her or BB. Even then, the jury will rely on their common sense and the testimony of medical experts about what JR was experiencing and capable of doing with a bullet in his eye/head.

Even if JR had, in fact, stabbed CB, that still doesn't give AP the right to shoot him dead if he has already been injured enough that he poses no additional threat.

If she perceived he was going for the knife, she had a right to defend herself.

She will have to convince a jury that it was reasonable to believe JR was trying to get a knife, and able to be an imminent threat to someone's life in his condition. Perhaps if he was on drugs, it might be possible. My life experience tells me that a guy who is shot in the head and eye is not capable of attacking others...but let's see what the evidence and experts say.

My take: jurors will not believe that JR posed a threat when he was shot the 2nd time.

It won’t matter what the experts say - at worst they will cancel each other out.

What will matter will be what she said to police in her hours of interviews.

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Anonymous wrote:The common theme seems to be that she hasn't made a sensical decision throughout the entire process.

Also, having an affair isn't a crime. So regardless of any "conspiracy" if they had hooked up before, it's not unreasonable to believe that they would hook up after. It doesn't require a conspiracy to see that.

She’s not on trial because she hooked up with BB. She’s on trial because she killed a man and it is hard to see how it’s justified.

She wakes up in the middle of the night and JR is in her room? Sure.

She saves CB’s life and CB confirms that without the Au pair’s action, she would’ve died, because JR had BB in a chokehold or something? Sure.

But here, the Au pair sought out the situation and then - even though BB was armed and had already shot JR - she runs to a safe, grabs another gun and fatally shoots JR? And ends up not “saving” anyone’s life anyway? She made a dumb decision to use lethal force and she should go to prison for it.

Or, the guy who had apparently just stabbed a woman in the neck was moving towards her and her husband who was focused on rendering aide.

I think you have the facts of the story wrong. She shot Joe after Brendan already shot Joe and stabbed Christine. Christine and Brendan being Julianas’ employers and also Brendan’s affair partner.

There has been ZERO evidence shared by the police or the courts on who stabbed CB and which order the shoot/stabbing occurred. Prosecutors have to prove that JR wasn't a threat, which is much harder if he is the stabber. AP has a decent self-defense claim, since JR was larger and more physically fit, and the medical examiner has already testified in the prelim that she that JR could potentially see and move. It's also much more likely that JR was the stabber, because BB would have to be insanely quick to shoot JR, pickup the knife, and stab CB, all before AP entered. Why wouldn't CB resist if BB picked up the knife and came at her? She's much less likely to defend against JR, who was already using the knife on her for playtime, and was standing right next to her. She wouldn't expect that he'd actually cut her in anger.

It's just as likely that JR got infuriated, cut CB, and then tried to attack BB, who shot him, and went to his wife. AP then enters the room, freaks out, starts to call 911, see's JR still trying to move, gets the other gun for safety, and ends up shooting him when he goes for the knife again. The 911 call hangups is also potentially in her favor, since it shows she wanted to call police, but was probably freaking out at the situation. If we can hear the second call, it might give some idea into her state of mind, but it's logical she'd be panicking heavily. Initial reports said that she was barely able to say "My friend is hurt", and BB had to give directions to the house.

JR was a violent psycho drug addict deviant. He got off on cutting his victims and playing with blood. He went too far this time.


Glad he’s dead and I hope he suffered.

Oh BB’s mom….

Big Mama is big mad.

Joes hoes are big mad he dead.

reasonable people are mad that he was gunned down in cold blood. Don't worry this shows all the hallmarks of the perfect crime. I'd be depressed and driving like a dufus at the prospect of going to prison too. tick tok till the ap tells all. .

Gunned down in cold blood? He killed Christine Banfield with a knife and then tried to attack her husband.

I know that’s what you want to believe but I’m sorry that’s not where the evidence is pointing.

The Grand Jury certainly agrees. Their statement that they "Believe in Justice For Both" JR and CB couldn't be more clear.

The disgusting statements re: JR above are typical of the sort of dehumanizing thought patterns that enable crimes like this to occur.

BB chose not to divorce but to play chicken with local LE. One grand jury spoke clearly today. His days of freedom may well be numbered.

I am definitely team Christina and Joe just want to make sure we’re speaking facts, the comments about Justice for Joe and Christine came from Joe’s mother not A statement that was made in court.

[Anonymous]

Obviously an already-shot JR presented a serious threat to AP and BB. Had he survived he would have been able give an accurate account of the events implicating BB and AP in CB's murder.

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Could family and friends of JR make some additional photos of JR available to the press? The one photo that is used over and over again is not doing him any favors.

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Anonymous wrote:The common theme seems to be that she hasn't made a sensical decision throughout the entire process.

Also, having an affair isn't a crime. So regardless of any "conspiracy" if they had hooked up before, it's not unreasonable to believe that they would hook up after. It doesn't require a conspiracy to see that.

She’s not on trial because she hooked up with BB. She’s on trial because she killed a man and it is hard to see how it’s justified.

She wakes up in the middle of the night and JR is in her room? Sure.

She saves CB’s life and CB confirms that without the Au pair’s action, she would’ve died, because JR had BB in a chokehold or something? Sure.

But here, the Au pair sought out the situation and then - even though BB was armed and had already shot JR - she runs to a safe, grabs another gun and fatally shoots JR? And ends up not “saving” anyone’s life anyway? She made a dumb decision to use lethal force and she should go to prison for it.

Or, the guy who had apparently just stabbed a woman in the neck was moving towards her and her husband who was focused on rendering aide.

I think you have the facts of the story wrong. She shot Joe after Brendan already shot Joe and stabbed Christine. Christine and Brendan being Julianas’ employers and also Brendan’s affair partner.

There has been ZERO evidence shared by the police or the courts on who stabbed CB and which order the shoot/stabbing occurred. Prosecutors have to prove that JR wasn't a threat, which is much harder if he is the stabber. AP has a decent self-defense claim, since JR was larger and more physically fit, and the medical examiner has already testified in the prelim that she that JR could potentially see and move. It's also much more likely that JR was the stabber, because BB would have to be insanely quick to shoot JR, pickup the knife, and stab CB, all before AP entered. Why wouldn't CB resist if BB picked up the knife and came at her? She's much less likely to defend against JR, who was already using the knife on her for playtime, and was standing right next to her. She wouldn't expect that he'd actually cut her in anger.

It's just as likely that JR got infuriated, cut CB, and then tried to attack BB, who shot him, and went to his wife. AP then enters the room, freaks out, starts to call 911, see's JR still trying to move, gets the other gun for safety, and ends up shooting him when he goes for the knife again. The 911 call hangups is also potentially in her favor, since it shows she wanted to call police, but was probably freaking out at the situation. If we can hear the second call, it might give some idea into her state of mind, but it's logical she'd be panicking heavily. Initial reports said that she was barely able to say "My friend is hurt", and BB had to give directions to the house.

JR was a violent psycho drug addict deviant. He got off on cutting his victims and playing with blood. He went too far this time.


Glad he’s dead and I hope he suffered.

Oh BB’s mom….

Big Mama is big mad.

Joes hoes are big mad he dead.

reasonable people are mad that he was gunned down in cold blood. Don't worry this shows all the hallmarks of the perfect crime. I'd be depressed and driving like a dufus at the prospect of going to prison too. tick tok till the ap tells all. .

Gunned down in cold blood? He killed Christine Banfield with a knife and then tried to attack her husband.

I know that’s what you want to believe but I’m sorry that’s not where the evidence is pointing.

The Grand Jury certainly agrees. Their statement that they "Believe in Justice For Both" JR and CB couldn't be more clear.

The disgusting statements re: JR above are typical of the sort of dehumanizing thought patterns that enable crimes like this to occur.

BB chose not to divorce but to play chicken with local LE. One grand jury spoke clearly today. His days of freedom may well be numbered.

I am definitely team Christina and Joe just want to make sure we’re speaking facts, the comments about Justice for Joe and Christine came from Joe’s mother not A statement that was made in court.

Super important point. I was skeptical when I first read this on DCUM...grand juries don't "make statements"

[Anonymous]

A Grand Jury's acceptance rate is like 99.99% of all cases. They are practically a rubber stamp in this country. I'm waiting to see what happens during the trial

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Anonymous wrote:A Grand Jury's acceptance rate is like 99.99% of all cases. They are practically a rubber stamp in this country. I'm waiting to see what happens during the trial

All they hear is from the assistant district attorney (ADA) and a few (very few) witnesses. The grand jury is just seeing if the state has enough to charge the defendant. They do not even consider guilt/innocence. And the ADA can come back to the grand jury as many times as they want. For example, an ADA may present to the grand jury, then the GJ has a bunch of questions for the ADA. Each juror asks questions directly. This may cause the ADA to step back and realize they do not have a strong enough case to get indictment. So they go back to the detectives, scene, etc and develop a stronger case. Then they re-present to the GJ at a later date(they try to present to the same GJ, which is why many serve for on day a week for months at a time).

Charges can be added/dropped/changed, defendants can be added/dropped/changed.

So no a GJ is not a rubber stamp. However, if you have unlimited chances to build a case and secure a vote, then the likelihood of getting an indictment increases.

[Anonymous]

First, that was a pretty terribly written article as it seems to have confused multiple readers into thinking the the grand jury "believe in justice for both"

AP was "indicted on charges of second-degree murder and use of a firearm in commission of a felony." Does this mean VA must convince the jury that AP was part of the planning or execution of the felony?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, that was a pretty terribly written article as it seems to have confused multiple readers into thinking the the grand jury "believe in justice for both"

AP was "indicted on charges of second-degree murder and use of a firearm in commission of a felony." Does this mean VA must convince the jury that AP was part of the planning or execution of the felony?

I think the felony is the second-degree murder. So just saying she used a firearm to commission second-degree murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a news clip from tonight.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/fairfax/grand-jury-indicts-au-pair-in-connection-to-mans-death-in-fairfax-county/65-7958c778-e8c6-4ed9-ad11-b695b598357c
there is a longer write up under the clip

thanks for this. their statement is heartening, may justice prevail.

With all of the details provided in the article, it's too bad they screwed up on the lead to their story: they say that the trial is going to start on Thursday. Yet, it's only that the trial date will be selected on Thurs. Kind of undermines their accuracy.

They do say that AP admitted to shooting JR while he was on the ground. Again, she's going to have to testify in her trial to establish that while on the ground and suffering from a gunshot to the head, JR was somehow a threat to BB. In fact, according to AP's statement as publicized, she didn't say that she shot him b/c he was about to hurt BB. AP must have some REALLY fast fingers to be able to open a safe that is awkwardly located on the floor, spinning it left and right and left and right under great pressure to get it open fast. Think about how long it takes most teens to open their lockers! AP knew how to open that safe .... or .... was the safe conveniently left open b/c BB knew that the plan was for AP to shoot JR the second time to put her in the criminal acts with him????

The latter sounds more likely.

If BB had a plan, it would have been infinitely easier to keep AP out of it altogether.

Nah, more likely to maintain her silence otherwise and to date, she is the only one arrested, so, his plan is working well for him so far.