“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

+1

15 weeks is very early.

Most Americans do support RvW - viability.

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

I’m no fan of the progressive wing, but this anger is sorely misplaced.

+1,000,000

PP is mad at a few thousand terminally online Twitterers and Bernie Bros and not the 63 million troglodytes who gleefully voted to make The Handmaid's Tale a reality in 2016.

Exactly.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/03/most-americans-say-supreme-court-should-uphold-roe-post-abc-poll-finds/

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

+1

15 weeks is very early.

Most Americans do support RvW - viability.

15 weeks is just a such a stupid line. Women don’t want late abortions. They have late abortions because they have to have late abortions. Your average woman whose birth control failed wants to get unpregnant as early as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't think that's fair. A bill that guaranteed the right before 15 weeks, while allowing states to either restrict or allow abortion after 15 weeks, would have been a very reasonable and fair compromise, and would be in line with what most Americans say they want.

I don't think we'd have peeled off any Rs, that said. It still would have failed. But that is the right federal law to pass, if we can ever do it - and if the Sup Ct wouldn't strike it down as violating states' rights.

I disagree. Polling shows strong support for 15-weeks. There would have been *at least* 10, if not more Republicans who would have had the public pressure to vote for such a bill. Politicians are responsive to polls.

I doubt it but I like your optimism.

I'm doomed to being an optimist - I can't help my brain chemistry.

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-poised-reverse-roe-americans-support-abortion/story?id=84468131

Under the headline:
“Majorities also reject six- and 15- week abortion bans”

“ In this poll, by contrast, 57% of Americans oppose a ban after 15 weeks; 58% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; and 54% say the court should uphold Roe, compared with 28% who say the ruling should be overturned.”

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

+1

15 weeks is very early.

Most Americans do support RvW - viability.

15 weeks is just a such a stupid line. Women don’t want late abortions. They have late abortions because they have to have late abortions. Your average woman whose birth control failed wants to get unpregnant as early as possible.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

+1

15 weeks is very early.

Most Americans do support RvW - viability.

15 weeks is just a such a stupid line. Women don’t want late abortions. They have late abortions because they have to have late abortions. Your average woman whose birth control failed wants to get unpregnant as early as possible.

OK but Americans like the 15 week marker, and you can codify that and then let states decide what happens after 15 weeks. Do you want some pie or no pie?

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-poised-reverse-roe-americans-support-abortion/story?id=84468131

Under the headline:
“Majorities also reject six- and 15- week abortion bans”

“ In this poll, by contrast, 57% of Americans oppose a ban after 15 weeks; 58% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; and 54% say the court should uphold Roe, compared with 28% who say the ruling should be overturned.”

You can federalize the 15 week protection and let states decide what to do after that. Voters can have a say.

Look I am pro choice. I marched with my mother in the 80s. But I also think that it would be better if we had SOME federal protection now that Roe is going away!

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15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.

I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.

I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't support Roe because it was a bad decision, not because I believe abortions should be illegal. This is a job for the legislature, and the Senate, once more, refused to do its job. I support legislation that would protect abortion prior to 15 weeks, and I celebrate the overturning of Roe (if it happens).

DP. So then what's your issue with the Women's Healthcare Protection Act? The fact that it protects abortion up to viability rather than up to 15w?

And no, it would not draw Republican votes not matter what. What other less controversial but highly visible votes have Republicans been falling all over themselves to vote for. You are either a liar or incredibly naive.

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Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.

I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.

I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.

I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.

I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.

I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.

I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.

I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.

I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.

I don't think the federal law would require any state to offer fewer reproductive rights, it would set a baseline they can't go below. So in California you can still have whatever abortions California allows.

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-poised-reverse-roe-americans-support-abortion/story?id=84468131

Under the headline:
“Majorities also reject six- and 15- week abortion bans”

“ In this poll, by contrast, 57% of Americans oppose a ban after 15 weeks; 58% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; and 54% say the court should uphold Roe, compared with 28% who say the ruling should be overturned.”

You can federalize the 15 week protection and let states decide what to do after that. Voters can have a say.

Look I am pro choice. I marched with my mother in the 80s. But I also think that it would be better if we had SOME federal protection now that Roe is going away!

So push for viability as most people want.

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Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.

I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.

I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.

I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.

I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.

+1

15 weeks is too early and is NOT supported by most Americans.

Viability makes sense and gives time for 20w testing.