“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't think that's fair. A bill that guaranteed the right before 15 weeks, while allowing states to either restrict or allow abortion after 15 weeks, would have been a very reasonable and fair compromise, and would be in line with what most Americans say they want.

I don't think we'd have peeled off any Rs, that said. It still would have failed. But that is the right federal law to pass, if we can ever do it - and if the Sup Ct wouldn't strike it down as violating states' rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

That’s also not what the WHPA would have done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

It’s not unrestricted. It would simply be restricted at the same level that other medical procedures are. And it would protect early abortion so that forced birthers couldn’t make it nigh impossible to get early abortions (which is what causes a comparatively huge bump in early second trimester abortions, did you know that? Women can’t get the earlier abortions they would prefer, so they have to have later, more expensive abortions).

You couldn’t advertise any louder your contempt for women if you tried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't think that's fair. A bill that guaranteed the right before 15 weeks, while allowing states to either restrict or allow abortion after 15 weeks, would have been a very reasonable and fair compromise, and would be in line with what most Americans say they want.

I don't think we'd have peeled off any Rs, that said. It still would have failed. But that is the right federal law to pass, if we can ever do it - and if the Sup Ct wouldn't strike it down as violating states' rights.

That would have been more restrictive than Roe and, as you noted, still would have failed, so I have no idea what you think the Democrats would have gained by negotiating against themselves and still losing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't think that's fair. A bill that guaranteed the right before 15 weeks, while allowing states to either restrict or allow abortion after 15 weeks, would have been a very reasonable and fair compromise, and would be in line with what most Americans say they want.

I don't think we'd have peeled off any Rs, that said. It still would have failed. But that is the right federal law to pass, if we can ever do it - and if the Sup Ct wouldn't strike it down as violating states' rights.

I disagree. Polling shows strong support for 15-weeks. There would have been *at least* 10, if not more Republicans who would have had the public pressure to vote for such a bill. Politicians are responsive to polls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

No one should interact with this forced birther. S/he doesn’t know anything about abortion, and s/he’s here to advertise that fact loudly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't think that's fair. A bill that guaranteed the right before 15 weeks, while allowing states to either restrict or allow abortion after 15 weeks, would have been a very reasonable and fair compromise, and would be in line with what most Americans say they want.

I don't think we'd have peeled off any Rs, that said. It still would have failed. But that is the right federal law to pass, if we can ever do it - and if the Sup Ct wouldn't strike it down as violating states' rights.

I disagree. Polling shows strong support for 15-weeks. There would have been *at least* 10, if not more Republicans who would have had the public pressure to vote for such a bill. Politicians are responsive to polls.

Lol. I say again, no one should interact with this non-serious person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

It’s not unrestricted. It would simply be restricted at the same level that other medical procedures are. And it would protect early abortion so that forced birthers couldn’t make it nigh impossible to get early abortions (which is what causes a comparatively huge bump in early second trimester abortions, did you know that? Women can’t get the earlier abortions they would prefer, so they have to have later, more expensive abortions).

You couldn’t advertise any louder your contempt for women if you tried.

No other medical procedure involves an unborn child. To not recognize distinction is to lack common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

I’m no fan of the progressive wing, but this anger is sorely misplaced.

+1,000,000

PP is mad at a few thousand terminally online Twitterers and Bernie Bros and not the 63 million troglodytes who gleefully voted to make The Handmaid's Tale a reality in 2016.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

So basically you wanted Democrats to put up something more restrictive than Roe, because you don’t support Roe.

I don't think that's fair. A bill that guaranteed the right before 15 weeks, while allowing states to either restrict or allow abortion after 15 weeks, would have been a very reasonable and fair compromise, and would be in line with what most Americans say they want.

I don't think we'd have peeled off any Rs, that said. It still would have failed. But that is the right federal law to pass, if we can ever do it - and if the Sup Ct wouldn't strike it down as violating states' rights.

I disagree. Polling shows strong support for 15-weeks. There would have been *at least* 10, if not more Republicans who would have had the public pressure to vote for such a bill. Politicians are responsive to polls.

I doubt it but I like your optimism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

Do you honestly think that women voluntarily choose to get a late stage abortion? There's a reason women find themselves there, it's not for kicks and giggles.

Why not let a woman and her doctor decide what is best, instead of trying to legislate the situation.

I'm not here to debate with you on whether or not there should be limits on abortion. The general support for abortion among US citizens is at 15 weeks. That would have made for a common sense law. Trying to pass a law without any limitation clearly is not "common sense".

As to why not let a woman and a doctor decide on a late term abortion - there is the matter of the unborn child, which the government has a compelling public interest in protecting.

Can you provide a source for your claim that 15 weeks is the dividing line for a majority of Americans?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-poised-reverse-roe-americans-support-abortion/story?id=84468131

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

LOL, stop blaming the progressives. Look at the bill that Chuck Schumer put up for a vote. If they wrote it to protect abortion after 15 weeks, it would have drawn republican votes. But no, it was written to remove all restrictions on abortion - even for the purpose of choosing the child's sex. This is not at all what the US citizens want when they think about keeping abortions legal.

Look at you, hating on a a great common sense bill that no “moderate Republican” (there aren’t any) could support.

Allowing abortions with no restrictions is not a common sense bill.

That’s also not what the WHPA would have done.

Forced birthers hate women. You can see it in everything they say. Their new gambit is going to be pretending that 1) sex selective abortion is a big problem that OBs are going along with 2) that they care about women.