Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

My college teens had never heard of him, when he was shot, they were told by friends that “he promotes gun violence and says horrific things”
So I guess it depends on who/where you are

My high school teen asked me about him last week so I explained scamming via 990s and explained that he's basically a con artist with rizz.

Face it, MOST “internet influencer” or “podcasters” never get traction and are drop out scam artists. Pushing cosmetics, pushing their personal option, pushing their Huak Tuan viral event for five mins.

Then there are the talented people who use them for civil discourse (Kirk) or broadening others horizons (Kelsey bros).

If you can’t tell the difference you’re not listening

I work in the Influencer and podcasting world, and have worked with people like Kirk.

There’s nothing talented about them. What they do is 100% understand the game, which is to be as controversial as possible to get views and virality. When we train new clients, we train them how to speak in ways that are triggering and leave no nuance/room for actual discourse. We also know to pick out debate opponents who will also be triggering in some way - dumb, LGBTQ+, something that will cause the internet to gang up on them and side with the Influencer.

It’s very hard for me to empathize with Kirk because when you get into that world, and over time you become more and more extreme to get more and more views, you know exactly what you’re signing up for. Everyone I’ve worked with has received death threats, had their homes broken into, etc. The women I know who do Only Fans basically live in fortresses because there are so many attempts to harm them.

I’m not gonna celebrate his death, but I’m not going to pretend he was out there doing God’s work. He had extensive training in how to go viral, and that was the motivation behind his content. If cuddling puppies would have made him money, believe me, he would have been doing that instead.

And if you don’t believe me, pick your favorite podcaster/influencer and scroll back on their timeline 10+ years. You’ll see that most start as fairly balanced and nuanced, and over time become more and more extreme because that’s what they need to do to get views. That one chick, Pearl whatever - she started with giving financial advice, nobody watched it, so she started with the whole weird anti-feminism thing (despite her not even following her own advice).

Best post I have read on here in a long time. Trump used the same playbook to propel himself to the presidency. For many years he was close with the Democratic Party. He wanted to run for office, even mentioned it to the Clintons, but the Dems all thought of him as a clown. He seized on some conspiratorial stuff, like Obama's citizenship, and realized that he could ride right wing discontent to the White House. His only goal in the WH is to enrich himself. He cares nothing for our country and the American people. He's a textbook narcissist and constantly craves attention and adoration. As time goes on, he makes more and more outrageous statements and gets away with it. He's the most dangerous political figure in our nation's history.

This is why I never vote for career politicians and only ones with real world experience managing or governing people, budget, departments.

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FBI Director Kash Patel, who faced criticism for hastily publicizing the wrong person of interest early in the investigation, praised the arrest made within 33 hours as “historic,” without providing context for the claim.

“This is what happens when you let good cops be cops,” Patel said.

Patel ended his remarks with a message to Charlie Kirk: “Rest now, brother. We have the watch, and I’ll see you in Valhalla.”

Kash Patel is such a freaking tool. Valhalla, like he's some kind of Viking warrior.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

No

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA is saying college radicalized him. Ffs.

It is a college in very very white Utah... anyway, if they hate college so much, why do they still want to go to Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:A white Mormon 22 year old from Utah is in custody. That sure screams liberal to me

LOL you should have searched his family before you opened your big mouth.

You might want to Google "sarcasm."

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA is saying college radicalized him. Ffs.

What do you think radicalized him?

He barely went to college according to the presser. Also, I find it odd that anyone would say anyone was radicalized because of college because thousands of college kids showed up to hear Charlie in every campus he attended, most of them in MAGA hats.

Please stop 🙏🏻

It's a valid question. His Slav Squat does indeed indicate that he was radicalized by far right online propaganda.
Russia has fanned the flames of right wing online propaganda for years, with no interference from Trump, certainly.
Russia just wants us to fall apart. They don't care how.

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Wouldn’t it be something if the bread crumb trail that made him more angry in last few years as family stated, leads directly to DT

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Anonymous wrote:FBI Director Kash Patel, who faced criticism for hastily publicizing the wrong person of interest early in the investigation, praised the arrest made within 33 hours as “historic,” without providing context for the claim.

“This is what happens when you let good cops be cops,” Patel said.

Patel ended his remarks with a message to Charlie Kirk: “Rest now, brother. We have the watch, and I’ll see you in Valhalla.”

Kash Patel is such a freaking tool. Valhalla, like he's some kind of Viking warrior.

He is corny.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to claim the alleged shooter is a centrist or lefty...

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynfxustfc2e

Nope.

So he was engaging with some really nasty right wing stuff on the internet as a teen and his parents apparently did no investigation into what he was copying. Great.

How are you getting that? The Governor of Utah at the press conference said the stuff they had found at the crime scene had anti-fascist writings on it. Those posts are all from 2020 - a lot can happen in 5 years. His family apparently also told investigators he became a lot more “political” recently.

Read the actual stuff. A lot of it was gay jokes. It reads like 4Chan stuff.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

Why do you care so much to make this an issue. The guy is caught. Great. Now let’s see why he did it and learn more about him.

The FBI gets credit for the initial info sent out to the public and images.


But if you want to “prove” you are so correct, yes they did it actually go out and handcuff him in person. But so what. This is really a point you want to focus on.?

I didn't realize that posting on a forum, a forum that I happen to own in fact, is caring "so much". I am posting my impression of the press conference. if you think that Patel is the greatest FBI director that ever lived, great. You do you. I think Patel wrongly attempted to take credit for something that he doesn't deserve. If it was not for the shooter's father, Patel would still be running around in circles like a Keystone Cop. This is not going to be the only time in this administration that we will need the FBI to do its job and the fact that it is being led by a fool concerns me. You are welcome to your own opinion.

Good grief. It took less than 2 days and the evidence law enforcement collected played a huge role. I get that you don’t like this administration and have a hatred toward Kash Patel, but I think it is curious that you cannot admit the role law enforcement played in this arrest. The father would have had no idea that his son was the killer were it not for the photos.
Don’t forget that other murders - like the killer of the healthcare CEO and the killer of the 4 college students have taken weeks to solve.

DP. Collecting video surveillance from private citizens is not ground breaking police work. What Kash do besides release a photo? I’m not in law enforcement but can take a screen shot of something from a ring camera. Maybe I should be in charge of the FBI.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA is saying college radicalized him. Ffs.

What do you think radicalized him?

He barely went to college according to the presser. Also, I find it odd that anyone would say anyone was radicalized because of college because thousands of college kids showed up to hear Charlie in every campus he attended, most of them in MAGA hats.

Please stop 🙏🏻

Young people have strong feelings.

This person was allowed to practice shooting machine guns, for fun, growing up. That perhaps felt like an avenue to channel his negative emotions, since it was a “tool” he had been allowed to learn.

Not saying most gun users would follow in his footsteps.

Just saying we would be much better off with more controls on who gets trained to kill people and who has access to the means to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to claim the alleged shooter is a centrist or lefty...

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynfxustfc2e

Nope.

So he was engaging with some really nasty right wing stuff on the internet as a teen and his parents apparently did no investigation into what he was copying. Great.

How are you getting that? The Governor of Utah at the press conference said the stuff they had found at the crime scene had anti-fascist writings on it. Those posts are all from 2020 - a lot can happen in 5 years. His family apparently also told investigators he became a lot more “political” recently.

Read the actual stuff. A lot of it was gay jokes. It reads like 4Chan stuff.

+1

Leftist here.

We don't make gay jokes or use gay as a derogatory term and teach our children this as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to claim the alleged shooter is a centrist or lefty...

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynfxustfc2e

Nope.

Yeah this is a Groyper/Nick Fuentes thing. I follow a lot of far right experts who predicted this.

For the non experts - THE SHOOTER IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE LEFT.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Now THAT's sad. Why would he throw away his life for this...

Great question.

Perceived fame, glory, manliness, power, fandom, self-righteousness.

Genuine lack of values, community, morals, ethics.

Probably confided in no one anything about feelings or emotions or good/bad/ugly. Jsut superficial convos.

I think it takes a crazy person to plot and kill another person, in cold blood. That is why being christian did not stop him.

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Waiting for DT to retract his "radical leftists" comment....