DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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I think we are talking about the girls side.

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

Arlington 04 boys "second team" just "failed" by winning the state cup.

All due respect, state cup is not tough

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

Arlington 04 boys "second team" just "failed" by winning the state cup.

To justify staying in CCL 1? You need to put down the pipe......

All due respect, state cup is not tough

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

Arlington 04 boys "second team" just "failed" by winning the state cup.

All due respect, state cup is not tough

None of the top teams are in the State Cup anymore. It used to be the highest honor for a VA team. Now it isn’t even as competitive as your average tournament.

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

Arlington 04 boys "second team" just "failed" by winning the state cup.

All due respect, state cup is not tough

Although I don't like Arlington at all, their 04b Red team is very good.

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

Arlington 04 boys "second team" just "failed" by winning the state cup.

All due respect, state cup is not tough

None of the top teams are in the State Cup anymore. It used to be the highest honor for a VA team. Now it isn’t even as competitive as your average tournament.

OK. PP's are clearly not capable of logic. Read the post. It was about if ASA CCL teams would have to "fail" first before they would be dropped to CCL2. The response from the ASA parent was they they "failed" by winning state cup. Then some dolt said "All due respect, state cup is not tough". That was not the point - even if that is the case. CCL is VYSA. It sponsors the state cup for USYS. If a team wins the state cup, they are clearly good enough to be in CCL - which is in theory a top league in VYSA. Yes, CCL 1 is a lower league and not close to DA or ECNL. But the point is, if you are winning state cup games in ages beyond the start of ECNL / DA (e.g. U12) and your team is part of CCL then those teams are clearly part of CCL 1. MYS could not put one of their "green" teams this weekend into the state cup finals. Thus their CCL 2 status.

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If a team plays comfortably in NCSL Div 1, how does that compare to VPL and CCL (I know its below ECNL/DA)? Is it significantly worse?

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Anonymous wrote:Is McLean removing its not ECNL teams from CCL?

Yep. "Green" will play CCL2 and any lower team will play NCSL.

This may be a CCL league thing. CCL wants clubs to play their top teams in CCL. If a club has their top team in another league, then they have to go to CCL2. This may have always been the rule, but now they may be trying to enforce it to improve competitiveness in CCL.

Maybe? This is the details on where MYS teams will play at which age groups:

After just receiving final word from one of the leagues for plans for the fall season, we are now able to finalize league placements for the 2018-19 Girls Travel Team program. MYS is pleased to announce the following leagues for our girls travel program:

The U9 and U10 Girls Green and White teams (birth years ‘10 and ‘09) will continue as they have in the single CCL division (Club Champions League) while the Gold and Silver teams will compete in NCSL.

U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL.

The U13 through U18 Girls White teams will participate in appropriate divisions of NCSL. The U13 – U17Green teams will participate in CCLII – a league that our coaches believe best position them for growth, development and competition. Green teams will continue to compete for top-level tournament brackets, State Cup, National League, and ERL. \ Green team players may be dual-rostered and able to utilize “Club Pass” rules as guest players as a potential pathway to ECNL teams. There are no changes affecting the ECNL program.

Could this be looked at another way? Is McLean trying to bolster NCSL because it makes more sense to play closer to home? It is silly that DMV teams travel outside of the area to play league games. DMV clubs hav been used by the rest of the CCL clubs from day one. There is nothing in it for them. If WAGS / NCSL had simply listened even a little to club directors CCL never would have made it further north than Stafford. If NCSL had any clue today they’d offer the same model, affiliate with US Club and bring in the VPL and DMV CCL members under any set of rules they asked for. It is so crazy what is going on. Wake up PPs of the DMV!!

Completely agree with the bolded. I wonder if there is any way to make it happen. Does anyone know any of the current NCSL leadership? They are listed in this set of board minutes: http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/bod-meeting-minutes-amp-locations It would be great for the NCSL folks and whoever is keeping CCL limping along (plus NPL too--I know little about that one) to get together and see if they could combine all the leagues together into one pro-rel league below the regional and national leagues. If McLean is putting some of their top teams into NCSL, that's encouraging.

This approach would leave the CCL south teams out in the cold, and that's a pity for them, but it makes no sense for them to be part of a DMV local league.

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

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Could this be looked at another way? Is McLean trying to bolster NCSL because it makes more sense to play closer to home? It is silly that DMV teams travel outside of the area to play league games. DMV clubs hav been used by the rest of the CCL clubs from day one. There is nothing in it for them. If WAGS / NCSL had simply listened even a little to club directors CCL never would have made it further north than Stafford. If NCSL had any clue today they’d offer the same model, affiliate with US Club and bring in the VPL and DMV CCL members under any set of rules they asked for. It is so crazy what is going on. Wake up PPs of the DMV!!

Completely agree with the bolded. I wonder if there is any way to make it happen. Does anyone know any of the current NCSL leadership? They are listed in this set of board minutes: http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/bod-meeting-minutes-amp-locations It would be great for the NCSL folks and whoever is keeping CCL limping along (plus NPL too--I know little about that one) to get together and see if they could combine all the leagues together into one pro-rel league below the regional and national leagues. If McLean is putting some of their top teams into NCSL, that's encouraging.

This approach would leave the CCL south teams out in the cold, and that's a pity for them, but it makes no sense for them to be part of a DMV local league.

The reality right now is NCSL continues to wither away. Herndon and Alexandria will move first and second teams to CCL next year. SYC and Stafford will move first teams to VPL. Reston Great Falls will put their first teams in VPL. This likely then leads some other clubs to move to EDP. Culpeper even took an offer to move their top teams to CCL2. As a kicker all the DC area clubs moving top teams to other leagues is making NCSL travel not that great with many age groups having clubs from West Virginia and well out in Maryland in top divisions.

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Boys DP league information:

As a result of interest from several boys U.S. Soccer Development Academy clubs within the East Conference, 18 boys DA clubs in the US Youth Soccer East Region have gotten together to form the 16U US Youth Soccer National League Atlantic Development Player EDP Conference. This conference will give these clubs a chance to participate in a competition with parallel scheduling to the DA that will culminate with a playoff and a chance to participate in the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series.

The following U.S. Soccer Development Academy clubs have committed to playing in this conference for 2018-19:

Arlington Soccer Association (VA)
Baltimore Armour (MD)
Beachside Soccer Club (CT)
Bethesda Soccer Club (MD)
BW Gottschee (NYE)
Cedar Stars Academy - Bergen (NJ)
Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth (NJ)
DC United Academy (MD)
FC Westchester (NYE)
Loudoun Soccer Club (VA)
Metropolitan Oval Academy (NYE)
New York Soccer Club (NYE)
Oakwood SC (CT)
PA Classics (PAE)
Philadelphia Union (PAE)
???????Richmond United (VA)
Seacoast United (NH)
???????Virginia Development Academy (VA)
The reality right now is NCSL continues to wither away. Herndon and Alexandria will move first and second teams to CCL next year. SYC and Stafford will move first teams to VPL. Reston Great Falls will put their first teams in VPL. This likely then leads some other clubs to move to EDP. Culpeper even took an offer to move their top teams to CCL2. As a kicker all the DC area clubs moving top teams to other leagues is making NCSL travel not that great with many age groups having clubs from West Virginia and well out in Maryland in top divisions.

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Anonymous wrote:If a team plays comfortably in NCSL Div 1, how does that compare to VPL and CCL (I know its below ECNL/DA)? Is it significantly worse?

There is quite a bit of overlap. I would say the best teams among the 3 leagues are in CCL, but top teams in VPL and division 1 NCSL are pretty close. After the top teams it's a bit of a mishmash IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are not paying for the San Diego trip after being cut.

Fine, but how many are they cutting to not be able to even field a team?

It's a DA event. MAYBE it's because they're going ECNL?

According to VDA parents I know, VDA couldn't field a team in multiple age groups due to lack fo players. Therefore, players leaving VDA to join other Da teams are trying to go to SD with them (FCV, etc)

How can newly acquired players for the 2019 season play on a current 2018 team.

They're not on the current 2018 roster which expires in July. You must be on the roster..period.

Plus, they are still on their home team roster until a certain expiration date.

I believe you can take up to three guest players.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's end the madness. The furtherest North DMV families should have to travel for leagues games should be Baltimore and furthest South is Stafford. Within those parameters, youhave some of the most competitive clubs in the Northest. Consider Arlington, McLean, Loudon, FCV, Btehsda, MUFC, Frederick, Pipeline, Baltimore Celtic, and VDA.

I'm going to have to challenge VDA. They have fallen so far apart, they don't even have enough players to send teams to San Diego for the final showcase. Only their 04 team survives.

It's a combination of the best Prince William players with a few from Vienna area. They are too expensive for the services they are providing, in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are not paying for the San Diego trip after being cut.

Fine, but how many are they cutting to not be able to even field a team?

It's a DA event. MAYBE it's because they're going ECNL?

According to VDA parents I know, VDA couldn't field a team in multiple age groups due to lack fo players. Therefore, players leaving VDA to join other Da teams are trying to go to SD with them (FCV, etc)

How can newly acquired players for the 2019 season play on a current 2018 team.

They're not on the current 2018 roster which expires in July. You must be on the roster..period.

Plus, they are still on their home team roster until a certain expiration date.

I believe you can take up to three guest players.

Guest players...lol...wtf