DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:Boys DP league information:

As a result of interest from several boys U.S. Soccer Development Academy clubs within the East Conference, 18 boys DA clubs in the US Youth Soccer East Region have gotten together to form the 16U US Youth Soccer National League Atlantic Development Player EDP Conference. This conference will give these clubs a chance to participate in a competition with parallel scheduling to the DA that will culminate with a playoff and a chance to participate in the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series.

The following U.S. Soccer Development Academy clubs have committed to playing in this conference for 2018-19:

Arlington Soccer Association (VA)
Baltimore Armour (MD)
Beachside Soccer Club (CT)
Bethesda Soccer Club (MD)
BW Gottschee (NYE)
Cedar Stars Academy - Bergen (NJ)
Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth (NJ)
DC United Academy (MD)
FC Westchester (NYE)
Loudoun Soccer Club (VA)
Metropolitan Oval Academy (NYE)
New York Soccer Club (NYE)
Oakwood SC (CT)
PA Classics (PAE)
Philadelphia Union (PAE)
???????Richmond United (VA)
Seacoast United (NH)
???????Virginia Development Academy (VA)
The reality right now is NCSL continues to wither away. Herndon and Alexandria will move first and second teams to CCL next year. SYC and Stafford will move first teams to VPL. Reston Great Falls will put their first teams in VPL. This likely then leads some other clubs to move to EDP. Culpeper even took an offer to move their top teams to CCL2. As a kicker all the DC area clubs moving top teams to other leagues is making NCSL travel not that great with many age groups having clubs from West Virginia and well out in Maryland in top divisions.

Previously there was a similar league that included these U16 teams as a division in US Club Soccer:
http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/northeast-pre-academy-league

What this looks like - with the US Club Soccer (which runs the ECNL) fighting GDA - and with similar type U16 leagues forming in various pockets across the US, they are seeking to consolidate them at least in our conference into one league for girls and boys. It was already announced for girls earlier, so now the boys teams are moving over there. I suspect the other U16 leagues and the leagues that are being formed to replace their ECNL/2nd tier leagues (like the DP league in CA) will all eventually move to the EDP league. It would be the smart move, rather than have 10+ leagues out there, all for the same niche.

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Could this be looked at another way? Is McLean trying to bolster NCSL because it makes more sense to play closer to home? It is silly that DMV teams travel outside of the area to play league games. DMV clubs hav been used by the rest of the CCL clubs from day one. There is nothing in it for them. If WAGS / NCSL had simply listened even a little to club directors CCL never would have made it further north than Stafford. If NCSL had any clue today they’d offer the same model, affiliate with US Club and bring in the VPL and DMV CCL members under any set of rules they asked for. It is so crazy what is going on. Wake up PPs of the DMV!!

Completely agree with the bolded. I wonder if there is any way to make it happen. Does anyone know any of the current NCSL leadership? They are listed in this set of board minutes: http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/bod-meeting-minutes-amp-locations It would be great for the NCSL folks and whoever is keeping CCL limping along (plus NPL too--I know little about that one) to get together and see if they could combine all the leagues together into one pro-rel league below the regional and national leagues. If McLean is putting some of their top teams into NCSL, that's encouraging.

This approach would leave the CCL south teams out in the cold, and that's a pity for them, but it makes no sense for them to be part of a DMV local league.

The reality right now is NCSL continues to wither away. Herndon and Alexandria will move first and second teams to CCL next year. SYC and Stafford will move first teams to VPL. Reston Great Falls will put their first teams in VPL. This likely then leads some other clubs to move to EDP. Culpeper even took an offer to move their top teams to CCL2. As a kicker all the DC area clubs moving top teams to other leagues is making NCSL travel not that great with many age groups having clubs from West Virginia and well out in Maryland in top divisions.

This just opens up the door for strong independent teams to join NCSL. Supply and demand.

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

I thought that if a CCL club had their top team in a different league (DA/ECNL) that the second team was “required” to go to CCL2. So, why is McLean doing that with its Green teams, which are second to ECNL teams, and Arlington and Loudoun are not? That seems messed up....

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

Agreed. SAC 06G is always a tough punch out.

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

Agreed. SAC 06G is always a tough punch out.

SAC 06G is losing many girls to different clubs. I wouldn’t worry about them. This is what happens with SAC on a constant basis. Their teams fall off as kids leave for DA or ECNL clubs. One giant rec type club who has many kids to pick from in the lower age groups and then the teams fall apart when they get older.

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Anonymous wrote:"U11 Green and U-12 Green/Pre-ECNL will participate NCSL in one of the top divisions, The White team will play in CCL II with the Gold and Silver teams playing in an appropriate competitive division of NCSL."

This baffles me.

1) Why is Green not in CCL as they usually are at U10? Why does anything need to change?

2) Why move Green and White to NCSL at all for U11/U12 in the first place?

With ECNL, Green will essentially be the current white team and they are not that great in CCL2 so why would they automatically get bumped to CCL when they are not competitive enough in their current league. Other clubs like Arlington and Loudoun are able to stay in CCL b/c their 2nd and 3rd teams are competitive with other club's top teams.

Loudoun and ASA CCL teams will be weaker in the fall since they will now be second team vs first. I wonder if they will have to drop to CCL2 or if they have to fail first.

I thought that if a CCL club had their top team in a different league (DA/ECNL) that the second team was “required” to go to CCL2. So, why is McLean doing that with its Green teams, which are second to ECNL teams, and Arlington and Loudoun are not? That seems messed up....

This was mentioned a few pages back but McLean's second teams will not be competitive in CCL which is why they are staying in CCL2 but instead of being called white they are now green.

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

Agreed. SAC 06G is always a tough punch out.

SAC 06G is losing many girls to different clubs. I wouldn’t worry about them. This is what happens with SAC on a constant basis. Their teams fall off as kids leave for DA or ECNL clubs. One giant rec type club who has many kids to pick from in the lower age groups and then the teams fall apart when they get older.

Whats your definition of "many".

And I guess thats a good review of the clubs player development leading up to U13/U14 if the talent is there for them to go to DA/ECNL teams, yeah?. (and some selected for the current 06 Spirit team are a total joke so not putting much weight into the current 06 spirit program/team).

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

Agreed. SAC 06G is always a tough punch out.

SAC 06G is losing many girls to different clubs. I wouldn’t worry about them. This is what happens with SAC on a constant basis. Their teams fall off as kids leave for DA or ECNL clubs. One giant rec type club who has many kids to pick from in the lower age groups and then the teams fall apart when they get older.

Whats your definition of "many".

And I guess thats a good review of the clubs player development leading up to U13/U14 if the talent is there for them to go to DA/ECNL teams, yeah?. (and some selected for the current 06 Spirit team are a total joke so not putting much weight into the current 06 spirit program/team).

Let's remember at the 06 age group that you are talking about 11 and 12 year old girls...calling them a "joke" is a bit much don't you think? Just be happy with your child and their soccer club and let's try not to insult little children so much.

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

Agreed. SAC 06G is always a tough punch out.

SAC 06G is losing many girls to different clubs. I wouldn’t worry about them. This is what happens with SAC on a constant basis. Their teams fall off as kids leave for DA or ECNL clubs. One giant rec type club who has many kids to pick from in the lower age groups and then the teams fall apart when they get older.

Whats your definition of "many".

And I guess thats a good review of the clubs player development leading up to U13/U14 if the talent is there for them to go to DA/ECNL teams, yeah?. (and some selected for the current 06 Spirit team are a total joke so not putting much weight into the current 06 spirit program/team).

Can you please specify 06 Spirit MD team? Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but your comments have nothing to do with 06 Spirit VA team.

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Anonymous wrote:Because you can't be in CCL I if you don't put your top team in CCL I

If you have DA or ECNL your top team isn't in CCL I. Therefore, they must drop and play in the B league.

Shows you how pathetic it all is.

CCL is a fourth tier league at best and y'all are killing yourselves for it.

Driving 3 -4 hours to play the B team at Beach FC or SOCA.

I'll pass. Just staybhime and play NCSL or EDP (which is way better anyways)

So Arlington's new U13 06 Girls Red Team (previously White Team in CCL II) will stay in CCL II, and not move to CCL I, correct?

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Anonymous wrote:Because you can't be in CCL I if you don't put your top team in CCL I

If you have DA or ECNL your top team isn't in CCL I. Therefore, they must drop and play in the B league.

Shows you how pathetic it all is.

CCL is a fourth tier league at best and y'all are killing yourselves for it.

Driving 3 -4 hours to play the B team at Beach FC or SOCA.

I'll pass. Just staybhime and play NCSL or EDP (which is way better anyways)

So Arlington's new U13 06 Girls Red Team (previously White Team in CCL II) will stay in CCL II, and not move to CCL I, correct?

Wait, Inthought the McLean blue team was going CCEDP and merging the Arlington Yellow team in DECLA, taking advantage of the leveraged buyout move by Loudounand SAC partnership to make a hostile takeover bid on the combined FCV and Spirit Black team to start a new NCSODP division in the hot new league in Wyoming?

Meanwhile, Exexutive Directors at every youth club in the DMV went on strikke demanding parents just stop emailing and chatting here and send their checks for the good of the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are not paying for the San Diego trip after being cut.

Fine, but how many are they cutting to not be able to even field a team?

It's a DA event. MAYBE it's because they're going ECNL?

According to VDA parents I know, VDA couldn't field a team in multiple age groups due to lack fo players. Therefore, players leaving VDA to join other Da teams are trying to go to SD with them (FCV, etc)

How can newly acquired players for the 2019 season play on a current 2018 team.

They're not on the current 2018 roster which expires in July. You must be on the roster..period.

Plus, they are still on their home team roster until a certain expiration date.

I believe you can take up to three guest players.

Guest players...lol...wtf

MY DD director said this is "only for players joining Academy for next year " and can happen in showcase only brackets (not competition). They are called "trialist" and since VDA defected from DA and couldn't meet standards on many levels those kids can now go with the their future teams . He said they must Roster them by early June. He also said this is certainly an issue across a lot of leagues which is probably the truth

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

We recently played a girls 06 pipeline team. We easily beat them. So, i am curious which age group you are referring to?

Yeah, the pipeline hype in here is eye brow raising. Cant sleep on their teams but they arent the definitive cream of the crop in the area.
Though their 06 team isnt a juggernaut- the 06 talent and competition in the maryland/baltimore area is stout. Any of the top clubs in the area can win on any given day- dont sleep on the SAC talent either.

Agreed. SAC 06G is always a tough punch out.

SAC 06G is losing many girls to different clubs. I wouldn’t worry about them. This is what happens with SAC on a constant basis. Their teams fall off as kids leave for DA or ECNL clubs. One giant rec type club who has many kids to pick from in the lower age groups and then the teams fall apart when they get older.

Whats your definition of "many".

And I guess thats a good review of the clubs player development leading up to U13/U14 if the talent is there for them to go to DA/ECNL teams, yeah?. (and some selected for the current 06 Spirit team are a total joke so not putting much weight into the current 06 spirit program/team).

This person using the word “joke” to describes young kids is horrible. Do we have another parent here who is jealous their child didn’t make DA / ECNL?

Also I’m not sure if a few kids leaving SAC for ECNL / DA proves that SAC is developing kids? With the player pool they have and enrollment numbers they have at early ages let’s hope 4 or 5 make ECNL / DA. What is proven is SAC constantly falls off at around u13. So in my opinion they aren’t developing anyone but 4 or 5 ringers out of a player pool of 80.

I guess time will tell how much they miss the girls who are leaving from the 06 team.