US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Who then? Who is capable of high level diplomacy with an end goal of de-escalation?

I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

Of course it's Trump telling Putin he can have it without firing a shot. Also, btw, the US is leaving NATO.

That's their view of an "elder statesman" who cut & runs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Disagree. As devastating as this has been for the Ukrainian people the US/EU/ANZAC/Japan have played this right. Sanctions had to wait for Russia to act. Lots of arms got to Ukraine during the Olympics. Consensus and alliance building occurred. There's room for even more sanctions. Need political consensus agreement on an oil embargo because of the impact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Who then? Who is capable of high level diplomacy with an end goal of de-escalation?

I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

At this point, diplomacy is dead. Hopefully, Putin will also be in the near future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Who then? Who is capable of high level diplomacy with an end goal of de-escalation?

I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

Of course it's Trump telling Putin he can have it without firing a shot. Also, btw, the US is leaving NATO.

That's their view of an "elder statesman" who cut & runs.

Trump's view is that Biden/Harris are weak, incompetent, and corrupt.

I don't believe Trump wants Putin to take Ukraine!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Disagree. As devastating as this has been for the Ukrainian people the US/EU/ANZAC/Japan have played this right. Sanctions had to wait for Russia to act. Lots of arms got to Ukraine during the Olympics. Consensus and alliance building occurred. There's room for even more sanctions. Need political consensus agreement on an oil embargo because of the impact.

There is consensus except for in White House

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Disagree. As devastating as this has been for the Ukrainian people the US/EU/ANZAC/Japan have played this right. Sanctions had to wait for Russia to act. Lots of arms got to Ukraine during the Olympics. Consensus and alliance building occurred. There's room for even more sanctions. Need political consensus agreement on an oil embargo because of the impact.

1. Russia acted when Putin built up troops along the Ukrainian border. Anyone who believed that threats would prevent him from doing what he said he wanted is clueless.
2. Clearly, the arms that we sent were not adequate.
3. The world is better when the US leads. Sanction Russian oil now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Most of the things you suggest would have rapidly and needlessly escalated the situation. Also would have made it impossible for US to rally support from around the world and would have antagonized China.

We can't keep overstretching ourselves in conflicts around the world. The painful reality is that our leadership has to make very tough choices. I think Biden and team have handled this very well thus far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Who then? Who is capable of high level diplomacy with an end goal of de-escalation?

I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

Of course it's Trump telling Putin he can have it without firing a shot. Also, btw, the US is leaving NATO.

That's their view of an "elder statesman" who cut & runs.

Trump's view is that Biden/Harris are weak, incompetent, and corrupt.

I don't believe Trump wants Putin to take Ukraine!

Good lord, you’re either dumb or naive. What do you think Giuliani, Manfort, and Prince we’re doing in Ukraine? They were meeting with Russian-aligned Ukrainians and Russian spies to figure out how to divide up the country. That was the entire end game for Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Most of the things you suggest would have rapidly and needlessly escalated the situation. Also would have made it impossible for US to rally support from around the world and would have antagonized China.

We can't keep overstretching ourselves in conflicts around the world. The painful reality is that our leadership has to make very tough choices. I think Biden and team have handled this very well thus far.

BS. The situation escalated on Putin's timeline because we didn't act.
You are believing the narrative this administration is spinning because they have been utter failures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Who then? Who is capable of high level diplomacy with an end goal of de-escalation?

I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

Of course it's Trump telling Putin he can have it without firing a shot. Also, btw, the US is leaving NATO.

That's their view of an "elder statesman" who cut & runs.

Trump's view is that Biden/Harris are weak, incompetent, and corrupt.

I don't believe Trump wants Putin to take Ukraine!

Good lord, you’re either dumb or naive. What do you think Giuliani, Manfort, and Prince we’re doing in Ukraine? They were meeting with Russian-aligned Ukrainians and Russian spies to figure out how to divide up the country. That was the entire end game for Ukraine.

^^Conspiracy theorists come in all colors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Who then? Who is capable of high level diplomacy with an end goal of de-escalation?

I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

Xi is probably the only one capable of negotiating but I suspsect he does not want de-escalation

Xi will not touch this mess. He is waiting to pick up the pieces of the Russian carcass when Putin & co turn it into another Syria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Most of the things you suggest would have rapidly and needlessly escalated the situation. Also would have made it impossible for US to rally support from around the world and would have antagonized China.

We can't keep overstretching ourselves in conflicts around the world. The painful reality is that our leadership has to make very tough choices. I think Biden and team have handled this very well thus far.

BS. The situation escalated on Putin's timeline because we didn't act.
You are believing the narrative this administration is spinning because they have been utter failures.

No, they are not failures. They have decades of experience pushing the US to "lead" and spread democracy. It appears they have learned a few things from their past decisions. BUT, it is tough to break it to a portion of the US populace that the US can no longer police the world, that our adventures over the last three decades have distracted and weakened us domestically.

We should make every effort to lead through diplomacy not military escalation, that's the leadership the world needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Disagree. As devastating as this has been for the Ukrainian people the US/EU/ANZAC/Japan have played this right. Sanctions had to wait for Russia to act. Lots of arms got to Ukraine during the Olympics. Consensus and alliance building occurred. There's room for even more sanctions. Need political consensus agreement on an oil embargo because of the impact.

1. Russia acted when Putin built up troops along the Ukrainian border. Anyone who believed that threats would prevent him from doing what he said he wanted is clueless.
2. Clearly, the arms that we sent were not adequate.
3. The world is better when the US leads. Sanction Russian oil now.

1. Cant punish until they act.
2. Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass with the weapons. Russia has lost over 1,000 military vehicles and lost over 10,000 troops in less than two weeks. This weekend was the single worst day for an air force in recent history. Ukraine has doubled their conventional force equipment through captured Russian equipment.
3. The world is stronger when we act together. That's what leadership is. Even Switzerland and Singapore have imposed sanctions. That was unthinkable two weeks ago.

We can and need to do more but Biden/Blinken have clearly been doing a good job so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Most of the things you suggest would have rapidly and needlessly escalated the situation. Also would have made it impossible for US to rally support from around the world and would have antagonized China.

We can't keep overstretching ourselves in conflicts around the world. The painful reality is that our leadership has to make very tough choices. I think Biden and team have handled this very well thus far.

BS. The situation escalated on Putin's timeline because we didn't act.
You are believing the narrative this administration is spinning because they have been utter failures.

No, they are not failures. They have decades of experience pushing the US to "lead" and spread democracy. It appears they have learned a few things from their past decisions. BUT, it is tough to break it to a portion of the US populace that the US can no longer police the world, that our adventures over the last three decades have distracted and weakened us domestically.

We should make every effort to lead through diplomacy not military escalation, that's the leadership the world needs.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.

You are joking.
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts. And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough.
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this.
They are still buying oil from Russia.
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia? Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?
And, Jimmy Carter? Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.

Disagree. As devastating as this has been for the Ukrainian people the US/EU/ANZAC/Japan have played this right. Sanctions had to wait for Russia to act. Lots of arms got to Ukraine during the Olympics. Consensus and alliance building occurred. There's room for even more sanctions. Need political consensus agreement on an oil embargo because of the impact.

1. Russia acted when Putin built up troops along the Ukrainian border. Anyone who believed that threats would prevent him from doing what he said he wanted is clueless.
2. Clearly, the arms that we sent were not adequate.
3. The world is better when the US leads. Sanction Russian oil now.

1. Cant punish until they act.
2. Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass with the weapons. Russia has lost over 1,000 military vehicles and lost over 10,000 troops in less than two weeks. This weekend was the single worst day for an air force in recent history. Ukraine has doubled their conventional force equipment through captured Russian equipment.
3. The world is stronger when we act together. That's what leadership is. Even Switzerland and Singapore have imposed sanctions. That was unthinkable two weeks ago.

We can and need to do more but Biden/Blinken have clearly been doing a good job so far.

It's tough to tell what's true, but news/rumors are circulating that Ukraine destroyed 30 helicopters on an airfield last night. Not surprising that Russia has scaled back their demands because they're losing. Ukraine military assets increase, while Russia's continue to deplete. Hell, Russia is one of the biggest contributors to Ukraine's growing arsenal.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3422522-over-30-enemy-helicopters-destroyed-in-kherson-region-overnight.html