Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Idk but sounds to me that they haven’t tied him to the gun yet. Is there any actual evidence other than relative’s words and discord messages?

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

Why do you care so much to make this an issue. The guy is caught. Great. Now let’s see why he did it and learn more about him.

The FBI gets credit for the initial info sent out to the public and images.


But if you want to “prove” you are so correct, yes they did it actually go out and handcuff him in person. But so what. This is really a point you want to focus on.?

I didn't realize that posting on a forum, a forum that I happen to own in fact, is caring "so much". I am posting my impression of the press conference. if you think that Patel is the greatest FBI director that ever lived, great. You do you. I think Patel wrongly attempted to take credit for something that he doesn't deserve. If it was not for the shooter's father, Patel would still be running around in circles like a Keystone Cop. This is not going to be the only time in this administration that we will need the FBI to do its job and the fact that it is being led by a fool concerns me. You are welcome to your own opinion.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

Why do you care so much to make this an issue. The guy is caught. Great. Now let’s see why he did it and learn more about him.

The FBI gets credit for the initial info sent out to the public and images.


But if you want to “prove” you are so correct, yes they did it actually go out and handcuff him in person. But so what. This is really a point you want to focus on.?

Why do YOU care so much about defending someone who is so obviously incompetent??? This is an important position, you know. Some of us actually believe in government roles and want competent people in charge.

I thought these guys were so concerned about DEI lowering standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course Kirk’s killer is a leftist. His action spoke it.

His family may or may not be.

Plenty of leftists grow out of right leaning families. Just read posts in DCUM. How many were talking about disowning other family members when the election ended.

he is not gay, he is not trans, he is not a minority...the right alleged ALL of these things over the last 48 hours.

And he is from a republican, Christian, law enforcement family. So MAGA, please educate your kids and make sure they are not killers.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Totally agree that he was an embarrassment. All Trump acolytes cannot get enough spotlight, and they use it to grovel before their dear leader.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

Agree. I consider myself pretty lefty and I only had a vague familiarity with Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the same person in my mind. Most people just didn’t know him enough to care other than the generic “the gun violence in this country is out of control” reaction.

I’m very liberal, and my entire peer group is very liberal. Nobody’s celebrating like PP claims, but nobody is grieving either. General sentiment is like the healthcare CEO - yea, dude, you made some dumb choices and this is what is got ya. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Play what stupid game? Balancing healthcare costs, premiums and care — none of which are unlimited?

They don't seem to have any problems limiting their profits. But there is no way that the CEO should have been murdered. That was horrifying.

The whole discussion around this is NUTS. Most people don't actually mourn someone they don't know. We all couldn't function if we truly felt that level of emotion for every person reported dead every single day. Most deaths in the news make normal people stop and pause for a moment and that's it if you don't actually know the person. If you claim otherwise, you must be totally non functional in daily life.

Not having sadness about his passing is not the same as cheering or, worse, condoning a murder. Most of us with perfectly intact moral compasses and kind hearts can simultaneously say that murder in the absence of true self-defense is WRONG (we say that emphatically), no matter who the victim, AND that we didn't think the person was a good person. It happens all the time, these cases are just high profile.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

Why do you care so much to make this an issue. The guy is caught. Great. Now let’s see why he did it and learn more about him.

Tyler Robinson:
- a young man
- a White Mormon from Utah
- Strong academic record
- Grew up in a two-parent family in a $600,000 house in an affluent area.
- Father is a cop: a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Utah Sheriff's Department
- Family photos show smiling Mom, strong Dad, 3 happy boys
- Family likes guns.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086467/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-killer-identified-Utah-Trump.html

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Anonymous wrote:From Patel: “To my friend, Charlie Kirk: Rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I’ll see you in Valhalla,” he said.

It's just SO corny.

Patel stole Kirk’s watch?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course Kirk’s killer is a leftist. His action spoke it.

His family may or may not be.

Plenty of leftists grow out of right leaning families. Just read posts in DCUM. How many were talking about disowning other family members when the election ended.

Don’t forget that it was his right leaning family that armed him and turned him into a marksman.

This, combined with Kirk's own statements about the 2nd Amendment, and then what was carried out yesterday... just, wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it embarrassing that the FBI took over 60 days to find Sirhan Sirhan? This suspect was taken into custody in 33 hours

Sirhan Sirhan was captured immediately at the scene.

haha. I think PP was confusing 60 seconds and 60 days! Way to prove your sparring partner's point.

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Anonymous wrote:For those questioning all the media coverage, it’s the first time an American has been publicly assassinated in the US for their political beliefs SINCE 1968. It’s a big deal.

Uh you’re forgetting the two legislators in MN.

That was not a public assassination. It took place in a private home.

What difference does THAT make?

Public assassinations tend to have a greater impact than private ones.

Public assassinations occur in front of witnesses or are captured by media, which amplifies the shock. The public setting turns the act into a spectacle, symbolizing a direct attack on shared values or leadership, which resonates widely and instantly. Private killings lack this immediate, communal exposure.

A public killing violates the sense of safety in shared spaces, making it feel like an attack on the public itself. Private assassinations feel more isolated, limiting the visceral sense of collective threat.

Hence the media coverage and why many are feeling this event deeply. It’s the first political assassination the public has witnessed in the US since 1968.

Correct. It’s terrorism as well

Why is it terrorism? One dude (Kirk), with a questionable reputation, was shot. He happened to have a political following, be wonder bread white, and was a YouTube influencer. Shooter is yet to be identified but appears to be another white American man of roughly the same age bracket. He used a gun, which Kirk politicized as a 2A right even if it might innocents get killed. And you say Kirk’s killing is terrorism. We fly flags at half mast and the body flies in AF2.

George Floyd is black. He also has a questionable reputation, but he was minding his on business. He was suspected of being high but quite happy. White cops detain him, and put him a chokehold (unprovoked) until he dies. People are outraged, get angry, and protest. MAGA (and probably PP) lose their mind, but they don’t view this killing as terrorism. Actually, the protestors are terrorists.

See any irony in all of that?

Floyd was not minding any business out in public, high on multiple drugs, driving high, fighting and running from police (store called that in), and not paying for items at the store.

Then BLM hoax was formed, burned down Kenosha, blm bought a mansion with the donations, harassed cities and restaurants for months after Covid, then went bankrupt.

Of course assassinating the keynote political speaker in public at a crowded event is terrorism and created immediate and widespread terror.

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So the shooter is a registered Republican voter and has old school conservative values. You know who's not surprised? The left.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

I think a big part of the problem in the US is that we kept up segregation for too long and didn’t make enough effort to purposely mix people up. It was resisted through redlining, and shutting public schools down. We aren’t even 100 years out from desegregation. Other countries in the Caribbean and South America that had slave trade and immigration have had a much longer period of time to merge into one culture.

Diversity, dispersity.

America pre 1980s was a melting pot of baseball and soccer games outside with all languages, creeds, countries, generations.

But 1990s on it was enclaves, failed multiculturalism, sanctuary cities, ESOL and Touch 1 for languages, etc.

Multiculturalism enclaves failed here and failed in UK and europe. No one gives two F’s about where they moved to except to recreate their homeland here and remit $$$ billions back there as well.

That's not what the 90s were like. There is nothing wrong with multiculturalism. That's how pizza, hamburgers, croissants, ice cream cones, nacho cheese, pho, and chicken tikka masala were invented. Manga, K-Pop, rock n' roll, jazz. The list is endless and it all comes from cultural cross pollination.

The dofderence nowadays is the internet and social media algorithms.

Difference is huge enclaves in sanctuary cities (MoCo, La, Fairfax, Detroit, Minnesota, etc) where no one cares to speak English or do anything but recreate their home religion, land and laws. Zero interaction with anyone but 1-2 gen same immigrants.

You talking about 100 years ago, or now? Can't tell. I mean, my Italian immigrant family did the same, recreated their village in apt buildings in nyc. Maybe read some history?

+1 my Polish great grandmother never learned to speak English when she moved here. I don’t think she was really welcomed in circles outside her familiar enclave, either, so there wasn’t much incentive.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

So why did they appeal to the public for help identifying him?

Because they are too busy not being gay or something.

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Anonymous wrote:He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

Wrong. Comments the investigators got from friends and family indicate he has recently become more political. He hated Charlie Cook and inscribed with “hey, fascist! Catch”. Sounds like he was radicalized by the far left

You’re completely ignoring that there’s a group of people further to the right than Kirk who also hated him.