Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Oh, please. They collected all the evidence that led to his arrest. Without the images he would have never been captured.

What role did the evidence play? He was turned in by a family member.

DP. They had the gun, presumably with DNA on it. They have an imprint of his shoe. They have video images of the shooter.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

Agree. I consider myself pretty lefty and I only had a vague familiarity with Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the same person in my mind. Most people just didn’t know him enough to care other than the generic “the gun violence in this country is out of control” reaction.

I’m very liberal, and my entire peer group is very liberal. Nobody’s celebrating like PP claims, but nobody is grieving either. General sentiment is like the healthcare CEO - yea, dude, you made some dumb choices and this is what is got ya. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Play what stupid game? Balancing healthcare costs, premiums and care — none of which are unlimited?

Don’t be disingenuous. Murder is never okay and the CEO should not have been shot, but while there was no justification for his killing, he wasn’t just innocently balancing healthcare cost and premiums. His company routinely denied claims for covered procedures, delayed payment of claims, and used bureaucracy to make collecting payment from them burdensome, while he collected a HUGE salary thanks to these these tactics generating as much profit as possible. That doesn’t justify killing him, but it does justify anger and disgust.

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Anonymous wrote:From Patel: “To my friend, Charlie Kirk: Rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I’ll see you in Valhalla,” he said.

It's just SO corny.

Sounds like a dog whistle

I don't understand your comment. Explain?

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Anonymous wrote:He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

Wrong. Comments the investigators got from friends and family indicate he has recently become more political. He hated Charlie Cook and inscribed with “hey, fascist! Catch”. Sounds like he was radicalized by the far left

You’re completely ignoring that there’s a group of people further to the right than Kirk who also hated him.

Like Laura Loomer.

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If I am the defense attorney on this, I am loving Patel's comments, who will certainly help the case for my client.

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The Utah governor comparing this to the “assassinations of the late 60s.”

MLK and RK??

Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:From Patel: “To my friend, Charlie Kirk: Rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I’ll see you in Valhalla,” he said.

It's just SO corny.

+1 Ridiculous, cringy, and performative. Not professional.

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I don’t understand why people are relieved he looks how he does. They’re going to use this as evidence that anyone who isn’t a hardcore conservative is a threat. They’ll say it isn’t just the pink haired black trans women…it is all of us.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Oh, please. They collected all the evidence that led to his arrest. Without the images he would have never been captured.

What role did the evidence play? He was turned in by a family member.

DP. They had the gun, presumably with DNA on it. They have an imprint of his shoe. They have video images of the shooter.

And yet, they still had to release images to get the public's help.

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Anonymous wrote:From Patel: “To my friend, Charlie Kirk: Rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I’ll see you in Valhalla,” he said.

It's just SO corny.

Sounds like a dog whistle

Chickenhawk message from one non-soldier to another, pretending to be soldiers. The latest in a long string of disrespect to military soldiers and veterans of our country, who the right wing despises and abuses.

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Anyone who wants to claim the alleged shooter is a centrist or lefty...

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynfxustfc2e

Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:Cue a new Republican conspiracy theory about how conservative LDS parents raising gun-toting kids in a rural area of deeply red state will radicalize them and make them killers.

Not.

Do you see how inappropriate and wrong it is to generalize?????

The right wing still blames "radical left" because they take zero personal responsibility. They are threatening black colleges with bombs when the black people would not be near any of them. Just deranged.

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Anonymous wrote:If I am the defense attorney on this, I am loving Patel's comments, who will certainly help the case for my client.

Decent prosecutors haaaate media cases because of shit like this.

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Anonymous wrote:He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

Wrong. Comments the investigators got from friends and family indicate he has recently become more political. He hated Charlie Cook and inscribed with “hey, fascist! Catch”. Sounds like he was radicalized by the far left

This is a Nick Fuentes thing.

This.

As I posted several times over the first 100 pages of this thread. And yet, Trump will use this to tighten his power.

Nick Fuentes does seem a more likely influence than the far left to this guy. Also, if people turn left they generally leave Utah if they are from there, or whatever far right state they are from.

Believe it or not, most white families have both Trump and Biden supporters. That's not a distinguishing feature here. It's more common than not.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

White men were facing some slight collective struggle for the first time in American history. More challenges getting jobs, into college, and girlfriends. Women were dominating college and career wise, with many of them foregoing marriage and children. They felt like they were getting left behind.

White women are also partnering and having families with POC, too. That’s where a lot of this seething anger in white men is coming from. White women are starting to prefer Black men as partners instead of white men, for a variety of reasons, and white men are collectively losing their minds over it. That’s where a lot of this hate is coming from - mediocre white men with penis envy seeing a Black man in a relationship with a white woman. It’s all sexual.