Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

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What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

Agree. I consider myself pretty lefty and I only had a vague familiarity with Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the same person in my mind. Most people just didn’t know him enough to care other than the generic “the gun violence in this country is out of control” reaction.

I’m very liberal, and my entire peer group is very liberal. Nobody’s celebrating like PP claims, but nobody is grieving either. General sentiment is like the healthcare CEO - yea, dude, you made some dumb choices and this is what is got ya. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Play what stupid game? Balancing healthcare costs, premiums and care — none of which are unlimited?

They don't seem to have any problems limiting their profits. But there is no way that the CEO should have been murdered. That was horrifying.

Unlimiting the profits*

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

So why did they appeal to the public for help identifying him?

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

I think a big part of the problem in the US is that we kept up segregation for too long and didn’t make enough effort to purposely mix people up. It was resisted through redlining, and shutting public schools down. We aren’t even 100 years out from desegregation. Other countries in the Caribbean and South America that had slave trade and immigration have had a much longer period of time to merge into one culture.

Diversity, dispersity.

America pre 1980s was a melting pot of baseball and soccer games outside with all languages, creeds, countries, generations.

But 1990s on it was enclaves, failed multiculturalism, sanctuary cities, ESOL and Touch 1 for languages, etc.

Multiculturalism enclaves failed here and failed in UK and europe. No one gives two F’s about where they moved to except to recreate their homeland here and remit $$$ billions back there as well.

So touch 1 for English is the reason white people don’t go outside anymore?

It is not immigrants’ fault that the white majority is dysfunctional. The dysfunction is the product of hundreds of years of racism and the paranoia and selfishness that follows through that. Instead of seeking out community the white majority seeks out special privilege and this is the result. Nobody is chaining white people to their Fox News tvs and telling them they can’t play soccer outside- that’s a choice they’re making.

Lol.

You seriously believe the above? All the whites or majority of whites in the country are the above?!

lol.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

Why do you care so much to make this an issue. The guy is caught. Great. Now let’s see why he did it and learn more about him.

The FBI gets credit for the initial info sent out to the public and images.


But if you want to “prove” you are so correct, yes they did it actually go out and handcuff him in person. But so what. This is really a point you want to focus on.?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump could not be happier because it took Epstein off the No.one story.

Not for long.

If Dems win the special election in Arizona, there will be enough votes to force the release of the files.

Dems will win, but my bet is on Bobo or Nancy pulling their support. They’re only supporting this now because there’s no consequences. Once they are the deciding vote, one of them will change their minds. Bookmark this.

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Anonymous wrote:He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

Wrong. Comments the investigators got from friends and family indicate he has recently become more political. He hated Charlie Cook and inscribed with “hey, fascist! Catch”. Sounds like he was radicalized by the far left

This is a Nick Fuentes thing.

This.

As I posted several times over the first 100 pages of this thread. And yet, Trump will use this to tighten his power.

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Cue a new Republican conspiracy theory about how conservative LDS parents raising gun-toting kids in a rural area of deeply red state will radicalize them and make them killers.

Not.

Do you see how inappropriate and wrong it is to generalize?????

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People at dcum and in particular its owner should listen closelu to the the governors comments

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

I think a big part of the problem in the US is that we kept up segregation for too long and didn’t make enough effort to purposely mix people up. It was resisted through redlining, and shutting public schools down. We aren’t even 100 years out from desegregation. Other countries in the Caribbean and South America that had slave trade and immigration have had a much longer period of time to merge into one culture.

Diversity, dispersity.

America pre 1980s was a melting pot of baseball and soccer games outside with all languages, creeds, countries, generations.

But 1990s on it was enclaves, failed multiculturalism, sanctuary cities, ESOL and Touch 1 for languages, etc.

Multiculturalism enclaves failed here and failed in UK and europe. No one gives two F’s about where they moved to except to recreate their homeland here and remit $$$ billions back there as well.

That's not what the 90s were like. There is nothing wrong with multiculturalism. That's how pizza, hamburgers, croissants, ice cream cones, nacho cheese, pho, and chicken tikka masala were invented. Manga, K-Pop, rock n' roll, jazz. The list is endless and it all comes from cultural cross pollination.

The dofderence nowadays is the internet and social media algorithms.

Difference is huge enclaves in sanctuary cities (MoCo, La, Fairfax, Detroit, Minnesota, etc) where no one cares to speak English or do anything but recreate their home religion, land and laws. Zero interaction with anyone but 1-2 gen same immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a video of the disrespectful carrying.

This is bizarre. Why is a civilian getting this kind of treatment? I can't think of anyone comparable on the left who would receive this treatment if the situation was reversed. The cynical part of me thinks they are using this as a way to make Vance more likable. Trot him and Usha out with the coffin and widow....look how compassionate he is!

Someone earlier said that this is the soft launch of Vance 2028 and I agree.

I think they also know Trump is unlikely to live another 3 years and they need to hurry up and improve Vance's image.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

Why do you care so much to make this an issue. The guy is caught. Great. Now let’s see why he did it and learn more about him.

The FBI gets credit for the initial info sent out to the public and images.


But if you want to “prove” you are so correct, yes they did it actually go out and handcuff him in person. But so what. This is really a point you want to focus on.?

DP. That Patel is a liar? Yes, absolutely. We need competent people running our agencies. Charlie Kirk would be the first to agree.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Oh, please. They collected all the evidence that led to his arrest. Without the images he would have never been captured.

The son literally confessed to his dad, who called the pastor and the US Marshals.

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting that this horrific violence is being used by the GOP to further pour gasoline on the fire and foist blame and make THREATS against Democratic lawmakers and liberals in general, the vast majority of whom have ALWAYS condemned this type of violence and worked for gun control.

Whatever you think of Charlie Kirk, he was a real person. He had a wife, kids, parents who mourn him. He will never see his kids grow up. The GOP is using his death to score political points and to spur their agenda of hatred and, yes, violence against the opposing side. Vile is too kind a word.

It is disgusting that with no suspect yet in custody and no actual motive known yesterday and in the aftermath, the POTUS made threats of retribution against a huge group of people. The POTUS threatened violence and has before, but he has the audacity to say it is the left that is to blame for the current climate. The POTUS is meant to be a steady hand and calming influence in times like these, and instead we have a lying, irresponsible, morally bankrupt matchstick at the helm.

The GOP leaders saying this is ALL the fault of "the left" are irresponsible. They reveal and project their OWN inner hatred and desire for violence on to the fellow lawmakers who are condemning the violence. Vile.

The hypocrisy and the depths to which GOP leadership will stoop is staggering.

Reacting in a human way to a horrific tragedy is not "using his death." You're an absolute ghoul to demand thaf no one have a reaction to this.

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Anonymous wrote:Checking out his mom FACEBOOK account seems like he was right wing

According to the press briefing - he hated Charlie Kirk. And the messages inscribed on the ballistics indicates he was echoing the narrative of leftists - fascist.

What messages inscribed on the ballistics? The FBI has retracted that because it was complete BS leaked as rage bait for stupid people.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it embarrassing that the FBI took over 60 days to find Sirhan Sirhan? This suspect was taken into custody in 33 hours

Sirhan Sirhan was captured immediately at the scene.