Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

Wrong. Comments the investigators got from friends and family indicate he has recently become more political. He hated Charlie Cook and inscribed with “hey, fascist! Catch”. Sounds like he was radicalized by the far left

C'mon folks. Time to get the big picture. This isn't a right vs left problem. This is a hate vs hate problem. I'm certain most of you are smarter than how you are representing yourselves when discussing this matter. We're better than this.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course Kirk’s killer is a leftist. His action spoke it.

His family may or may not be.

Plenty of leftists grow out of right leaning families. Just read posts in DCUM. How many were talking about disowning other family members when the election ended.

So, right wing parenting creates murderers? How does that square with Kirk’s view that dads prevent gun violence?

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

What people or individuals were targeted of “Kirk’s hate”? When did he said he hated person XYZ or a group of people abc?

Or did he said he hates crime? Or murderers? Or hates the lack of morals out there?

What did he say he hated exactly? A thing? A concept? A proper noun person? A group of benign people? A country?

He said he wouldn’t feel comfortable with a Black pilot, no? Kind of hate adjacent.

Here are some nice quotes:

"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified." (January 23, 2024, The Charlie Kirk Show)

"If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?" (January 3, 2024, The Charlie Kirk Show)

Speaking about several prominent Black women, Kirk stated, "You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." (July 13, 2023, The Charlie Kirk Show)

Kirk has also made claims that "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people," and that this is "a fact" that is "happening more and more." (May 19, 2023, The Charlie Kirk Show)

Referring to the "great replacement strategy," Kirk stated that it is "well under way every single day in our southern border" and is a "strategy to replace white rural America with something different." (March 1, 2024, The Charlie Kirk Show)

In comments about immigration from India, Kirk said, "America does not need more visas for people from India. Perhaps no form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India." (September 1, 2025, on his X account)

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All of this. This guy was NOT about respectful discourse.

Do your research and what the whole conversation, not quotes.

Kirk proliferated and profited off soundbite gotchas. This is the culture he helped to create.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a video of the disrespectful carrying.

This is bizarre. Why is a civilian getting this kind of treatment? I can't think of anyone comparable on the left who would receive this treatment if the situation was reversed. The cynical part of me thinks they are using this as a way to make Vance more likable. Trot him and Usha out with the coffin and widow....look how compassionate he is!

Someone earlier said that this is the soft launch of Vance 2028 and I agree.

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Was it embarrassing that the FBI took over 60 days to find Sirhan Sirhan? This suspect was taken into custody in 33 hours

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Oh, please. They collected all the evidence that led to his arrest. Without the images he would have never been captured.

What role did the evidence play? He was turned in by a family member.

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Yes, FBI gets credit for pulling the videos and images off the cameras.

These videos and pictures most likely led the father to question his son about it.

Regardless, he would have been captured in a few days anyways.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

So all those posts about some trans person named Skye were right wing lies?

Shocker. Right wing lies smearing trans people.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Just because his family turned him in on day 2 after the shooting, it does not mean they would not have found him in a few days using video, DNA, tips….

That's not what Patel was claiming. He is taking credit for the arrest.

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Anonymous wrote:The way MAGA is exploiting this to promote mass violence against totally unrelated people like HBCUs and transgender people, and persecuting people for acknowledging Kirk’s own public advocacy about 2nd Amendment, it’s looking more and more like a false flag operation.

HBCUs are on lockdown because of the threats. Republicans are so reckless with their rhetoric. Somehow Charlie Kirk getting killed means that black people must have something to do with it causes threats to be made.

Republicans don't sit here and say that you are not violent when Trump is out hear blaming woke liberals causing chaos.

I think the threats to HBCUs were caused by the murder of the Ukrainian girl in Charlotte - not the Charlie Kirk shooting. Everything about America today seems unhinged this week.

Yeah that was gross murder in front of 5+ people who did nothing. Even after the 15x incarcerated and released knifing murderer waltzed off the subway car.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

Agree. I consider myself pretty lefty and I only had a vague familiarity with Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the same person in my mind. Most people just didn’t know him enough to care other than the generic “the gun violence in this country is out of control” reaction.

I’m very liberal, and my entire peer group is very liberal. Nobody’s celebrating like PP claims, but nobody is grieving either. General sentiment is like the healthcare CEO - yea, dude, you made some dumb choices and this is what is got ya. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Play what stupid game? Balancing healthcare costs, premiums and care — none of which are unlimited?

They don't seem to have any problems limiting their profits. But there is no way that the CEO should have been murdered. That was horrifying.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course Kirk’s killer is a leftist. His action spoke it.

His family may or may not be.

Plenty of leftists grow out of right leaning families. Just read posts in DCUM. How many were talking about disowning other family members when the election ended.

Don’t forget that it was his right leaning family that armed him and turned him into a marksman.

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jsteele wrote:I am watching the press conference and Kash Patel is a complete embarrassment. MAGAs, do you really have faith in this guy? He started out saying, "This is what happens when you let cops be cops." Actually, this is what happens when family members turn the perp in. The FBI had not idea this guy was the shooter.

Oh, please. They collected all the evidence that led to his arrest. Without the images he would have never been captured.

You think his father, who he confessed to, needed a photograph to identify his own son?

WTF? How would his dad have known that he did it if he hadn’t seen the photos and confronted his son?

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

Agree. I consider myself pretty lefty and I only had a vague familiarity with Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the same person in my mind. Most people just didn’t know him enough to care other than the generic “the gun violence in this country is out of control” reaction.

I’m very liberal, and my entire peer group is very liberal. Nobody’s celebrating like PP claims, but nobody is grieving either. General sentiment is like the healthcare CEO - yea, dude, you made some dumb choices and this is what is got ya. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Play what stupid game? Balancing healthcare costs, premiums and care — none of which are unlimited?

Oh yay, the healthcare CEOs have joined the conversation.

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It is disgusting that this horrific violence is being used by the GOP to further pour gasoline on the fire and foist blame and make THREATS against Democratic lawmakers and liberals in general, the vast majority of whom have ALWAYS condemned this type of violence and worked for gun control.

Whatever you think of Charlie Kirk, he was a real person. He had a wife, kids, parents who mourn him. He will never see his kids grow up. The GOP is using his death to score political points and to spur their agenda of hatred and, yes, violence against the opposing side. Vile is too kind a word.

It is disgusting that with no suspect yet in custody and no actual motive known yesterday and in the aftermath, the POTUS made threats of retribution against a huge group of people. The POTUS threatened violence and has before, but he has the audacity to say it is the left that is to blame for the current climate. The POTUS is meant to be a steady hand and calming influence in times like these, and instead we have a lying, irresponsible, morally bankrupt matchstick at the helm.

The GOP leaders saying this is ALL the fault of "the left" are irresponsible. They reveal and project their OWN inner hatred and desire for violence on to the fellow lawmakers who are condemning the violence. Vile.

The hypocrisy and the depths to which GOP leadership will stoop is staggering.