Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed

NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!

I'm sure his wife is well aware of how he behaves when under the influence.

Oh, you mean when he was a teenager?

regardless of your thoughts on the “alleged” assaults, you are an idiot if you don’t think BK drinks “to excess” in front of his wife on the regular. GMAFB.

Oh, I'm sorry - do you have evidence that he "drinks to excess" as an adult? In public or in private? No? Didn't think so. Get a life.

Well then I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. I was raised by an alcoholic. I know one when I see one.

Oh, sweetie. Your personal experiences have no bearing here. Sorry, but they just don't. Stop extrapolating them onto someone you've never even met.

My opinion is as valid as yours. And since you’ve “never met” me, don’t call me Sweetie.

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Anonymous wrote:He lied about Devil's Triangle. It's not a drinking game. So, I assume he's lying about everything else as well.

It's not possible that a term used by some for one thing can be different from a term used by others for another thing? Or that people could use a phrase to describe different things?

When my son was 12, he and his friends were joking about "4:20". I asked him what "4:20" meant, and he told me it was when his group of friends did their homework. He wasn't going to tell me they were making a pot reference. Amusingly, they do use it as both, even years later. Is he lying, if he testifies under oath that 4:20 means you're supposed to be doing your homework?

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those familiar with Senate procedure - if the cloture vote passes tomorrow does that mean the game's over on confirmation?

No. It just means the Senators feel they are ready to vote. The attempts and ACA repeal went down infames, despite getting cloture. Normally, the appointee would be pulled if the votes aren’t’ there. But Trump’s method is to force even losing votes.

Plus the whip can’t get an accurate count if people aren’t talking.

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple posters have said (paraphrasing bc the endless requotes are making us dizzy):

1. Ford "publicly" accused K of attempted rape
2. Feinstein is to blame for holding the letter to blow up his appointment

One answer for both points. Ford told Feinstein and her lawyers that she did not want this to be a public scandal. She hoped that it would be investigated privately among SCJ to determine if K would be removed from consideration.

Could Feinstein have been at odds to protect Ford's request and privacy? Do you think she made the decision to secretly hold letter until she deemed the right time to blow it up, without consent from Ford or her lawyers? She is part of a committee of what is supposed to be a non partisan supreme court of law. Why would she risk her own position, lifelong reputation and the trust of the American people that Ford represents?

Yep. I have no idea why Ford is "thanking" Feinstein for anything. Had she quietly shared this allegation with ALL senators when it was submitted to her, the investigation could have been handled at that time. No one would have had to be dragged through the mud. It would all be over by now, for better or for worse. It is directly because of Feinstein's actions - or deliberate inaction - that we are witnessing this atrocious spectacle.

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI should have questioned the GP football player who lived 4 blocks from Columbia Country Club.

There are over 40 people who *should* have been interviewed, but weren't. And somehow there are people here who think that is acceptable.

You clearly don't understand what the FBI is tasked to do in these "investigations" (not just Kavanaugh's).

You realize the FBI wanted to interview all of these people and were barred from doing so, right?

Citation please.

Wray has let it be known that he is keeping contemperaneous memos as it relates to this investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:He lied about Devil's Triangle. It's not a drinking game. So, I assume he's lying about everything else as well.

Agree. That and the elaborate lie he concocted about FFFF - kind of disturbingly pathological if you think about it. If you don't think that type of behavior casts serious doubt on his character and fitness to sit on our SUPREME court...I don't know what to tell you

Citation for the lie he told about "FFFF" please.

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Anonymous wrote:He lied about Devil's Triangle. It's not a drinking game. So, I assume he's lying about everything else as well.

Agree. That and the elaborate lie he concocted about FFFF - kind of disturbingly pathological if you think about it. If you don't think that type of behavior casts serious doubt on his character and fitness to sit on our SUPREME court...I don't know what to tell you

The FFFFFF thing is the one term I think he did not lie about because there are multiple references and captions in the yearbook to it that don't seem to align with what some people think it means. But boofing, devils triangle, and Renate Alumnus he lied about. The whole conversation about ralphing was totally laughable as well (re: spicy food and sensitive stomach).

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Anonymous wrote:Will we get a sense of what “the 5” are thinking before they actually vote? Do they really not know yet? This seems unnecessarily dramatic to me.

After what happened to Flake being confronted in the elevator by the two women, I would think those who want to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's confirmation will just keep quiet about it to the end and then just cast their vote.

Those two protesters were idiots. They should never have been allowed near the senators, much less in the building. This extrapolating of sexual assault experiences onto every situation is not helpful. Every situation should be evaluated on its own merits (or lack thereof), and not judged based on what has happened to various other women.

It was also a total set up so that Flake could support the FBI investigation. Flake allowed this faux ambush and the two women readily feel into his trap so that their “voices” could be heard. They were used and now realize it. How humiliating.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed.

Hey genius bar - he wrote that stuff in his yearbook.

My DH was on the swim team at an all male high school in California. In the yearbook swim team photo, most of the boys have erections. The comments throughout the book were trashy. It’s what hs boys do to show their immaturity.

Just because your DH was a DB in HS doesn't mean that all men were.

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Anonymous wrote:Ford came forward, good for her but it is unfair and wrong that she gets a free pass on any probing questions, just maybe she is lying (although there seems to be no motivation for that, but still). No one can deny that her claim about being afraid to fly is BS. And her boyfriend of 6 years claims she stolen from him and other transgressions - his exact dates he did recall from 30 years ago match up with the dates Ford's friend took polygraph- how would he know that unless it was true? It is unfair she gets a pass - sorry but it just is and I am a woman. I don't have a problem with the questioning of Kavanaugh, hey he signed up for it. TS that his family gets hurt, he brought them into it. I would like to hear why Ford will not release her polygraph notes, because otherwise I form my own conclusion. I wish BOTH sides would be investigated and the vote not to be for a few weeks to have more thorough questioning. But let's be clear, under a microscope she has blemishes too..

On one hand, I see what you are saying. Both sides should be thoroughly investigated and that information presented to the Senators.

On the other hand, with the way being in the news goes today, with social media and 24 hour news cycle and so many sites that will print ANYTHING, she would have to be seriously nuts to come forward with this if it was a lie. There are too many crazies out there that now have the ability to harass people in ways they never could before. NO ONE in there right mind would put themselves through this. Death threats? This woman testified before the Senate Committee with MILLIONS of people watching. I cannot even fathom doing that.

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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed

NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!

I'm sure his wife is well aware of how he behaves when under the influence.

Oh, you mean when he was a teenager?

regardless of your thoughts on the “alleged” assaults, you are an idiot if you don’t think BK drinks “to excess” in front of his wife on the regular. GMAFB.

Oh, I'm sorry - do you have evidence that he "drinks to excess" as an adult? In public or in private? No? Didn't think so. Get a life.

Well then I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. I was raised by an alcoholic. I know one when I see one.

Oooh ooooh! I was raised by an alcoholic too! Can we have dueling anecdotal experiences?

That'll surely clear up the issue and demonstrate whether or not Ford was assaulted by Kavanaugh!

This time, for sure!

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Anonymous wrote:Ford came forward, good for her but it is unfair and wrong that she gets a free pass on any probing questions, just maybe she is lying (although there seems to be no motivation for that, but still). No one can deny that her claim about being afraid to fly is BS. And her boyfriend of 6 years claims she stolen from him and other transgressions - his exact dates he did recall from 30 years ago match up with the dates Ford's friend took polygraph- how would he know that unless it was true? It is unfair she gets a pass - sorry but it just is and I am a woman. I don't have a problem with the questioning of Kavanaugh, hey he signed up for it. TS that his family gets hurt, he brought them into it. I would like to hear why Ford will not release her polygraph notes, because otherwise I form my own conclusion. I wish BOTH sides would be investigated and the vote not to be for a few weeks to have more thorough questioning. But let's be clear, under a microscope she has blemishes too..

On one hand, I see what you are saying. Both sides should be thoroughly investigated and that information presented to the Senators.

On the other hand, with the way being in the news goes today, with social media and 24 hour news cycle and so many sites that will print ANYTHING, she would have to be seriously nuts to come forward with this if it was a lie. There are too many crazies out there that now have the ability to harass people in ways they never could before. NO ONE in there right mind would put themselves through this. Death threats? This woman testified before the Senate Committee with MILLIONS of people watching. I cannot even fathom doing that.

Ooops "their" right mind

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed.

Hey genius bar - he wrote that stuff in his yearbook.

My DH was on the swim team at an all male high school in California. In the yearbook swim team photo, most of the boys have erections. The comments throughout the book were trashy. It’s what hs boys do to show their immaturity.

Just because your DH was a DB in HS doesn't mean that all men were.

And just because many women truthfully report their sexual assaults, doesn't mean that all women do.
-not the PP

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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed

NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!

I'm sure his wife is well aware of how he behaves when under the influence.

Oh, you mean when he was a teenager?

regardless of your thoughts on the “alleged” assaults, you are an idiot if you don’t think BK drinks “to excess” in front of his wife on the regular. GMAFB.

Oh, I'm sorry - do you have evidence that he "drinks to excess" as an adult? In public or in private? No? Didn't think so. Get a life.

Right. American College Campuses are notorious for their drinking culture, both male and female partying like crazy. To assume Judge Kavanaugh continues to party like he did in college is ridiculous. If Judge Kavanaugh still drank like that he would be in rehab already.

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Anonymous wrote:Ford came forward, good for her but it is unfair and wrong that she gets a free pass on any probing questions, just maybe she is lying (although there seems to be no motivation for that, but still). No one can deny that her claim about being afraid to fly is BS. And her boyfriend of 6 years claims she stolen from him and other transgressions - his exact dates he did recall from 30 years ago match up with the dates Ford's friend took polygraph- how would he know that unless it was true? It is unfair she gets a pass - sorry but it just is and I am a woman. I don't have a problem with the questioning of Kavanaugh, hey he signed up for it. TS that his family gets hurt, he brought them into it. I would like to hear why Ford will not release her polygraph notes, because otherwise I form my own conclusion. I wish BOTH sides would be investigated and the vote not to be for a few weeks to have more thorough questioning. But let's be clear, under a microscope she has blemishes too..

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I see no reason why Ford shouldn't be thoroughly investigated as well. Polygraph, therapist notes, etc. Why should only the accused be subject to humiliating investigations?

He's the job candidate, not "the accused." Using that term makes it sound like a criminal process where a loss of liberty is at stake.

If someone makes a more or less credible claim of sexual assault against a potential babysitter, I'm going to look into it to see if the accusation is plausible. If it's plausible, I'm just going to go elsewhere for a babysitter. I'm not going to do a deep dive into the accuser's background. On the other hand, if I'm a judge, jury, or lawyer in a case where someone is on trial for sexual assault, it's very fair game to do a deep dive on the accuser.

Lifetime appointment to a Supreme Court seat is a helluva a lot more significant than a babysitting job.