Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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Ford came forward, good for her but it is unfair and wrong that she gets a free pass on any probing questions, just maybe she is lying (although there seems to be no motivation for that, but still). No one can deny that her claim about being afraid to fly is BS. And her boyfriend of 6 years claims she stolen from him and other transgressions - his exact dates he did recall from 30 years ago match up with the dates Ford's friend took polygraph- how would he know that unless it was true? It is unfair she gets a pass - sorry but it just is and I am a woman. I don't have a problem with the questioning of Kavanaugh, hey he signed up for it. TS that his family gets hurt, he brought them into it. I would like to hear why Ford will not release her polygraph notes, because otherwise I form my own conclusion. I wish BOTH sides would be investigated and the vote not to be for a few weeks to have more thorough questioning. But let's be clear, under a microscope she has blemishes too..
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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed


NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!


I'm sure his wife is well aware of how he behaves when under the influence.


Oh, you mean when he was a teenager?


regardless of your thoughts on the “alleged” assaults, you are an idiot if you don’t think BK drinks “to excess” in front of his wife on the regular. GMAFB.


Oh, I'm sorry - do you have evidence that he "drinks to excess" as an adult? In public or in private? No? Didn't think so. Get a life.
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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed


NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!


My guess is they told their daughters the woman accusing their dad is “ill.” Hence the need to pray for her. I’m anti-Kavanaugh, but that’s what I would have done in Ashley’s position.



I had a similar thought when Judge Kavanaugh mention his daughter praying for Dr. Ford because of how I know some people pray.

Mu Auny Flo would pray for people when she hoped the person would realize that what they were doing was wrong and repent. A gay man that she really liked loved next door to her (he would share stuff from his garden, shelve her walk in the winter, and was just a good neighbor) and she would alway pray for him in the hopes that he would repent and abandon his “homosexual lifestyle”. People in the family knew when they did something Aunt Flo disagreed with because she would make comments like, “I heard you got into some trouble at school, you know school is really important, I will be praying for you.”

I also once worked on a case that involved a company’s president praying for his executives at the executive employee bible study groups. No one wanted the company president to pray for them because the prays often would be along the lines of asking god to help the head of marketing find the will and strength to work harder since he was underperformaing.

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Anonymous wrote:Will we get a sense of what “the 5” are thinking before they actually vote? Do they really not know yet? This seems unnecessarily dramatic to me.


After what happened to Flake being confronted in the elevator by the two women, I would think those who want to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's confirmation will just keep quiet about it to the end and then just cast their vote.


Those two protesters were idiots. They should never have been allowed near the senators, much less in the building. This extrapolating of sexual assault experiences onto every situation is not helpful. Every situation should be evaluated on its own merits (or lack thereof), and not judged based on what has happened to various other women.


So now you want to restrict the rights of Americans to enter the US Capitol?


Only the “wrong” Americans, clearly. Saying the wrong things.


You mean screaming the wrong things. In other people's faces.


Well there goes Kavanaugh.
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Anonymous wrote:The FBI should have questioned the GP football player who lived 4 blocks from Columbia Country Club.


There are over 40 people who *should* have been interviewed, but weren't. And somehow there are people here who think that is acceptable.


Yep they questioned less than 10 people. That isn't an "investigation", it's a joke. Of course they didn't find what they needed, they didn't talk to the people who were involved.


Didn't Ford say there were a total of 4 people, other than her, at the party? Isn't the investigation regarding Ford's allegation? Why 40 people, if the investigation is regarding Ford's allegation and the number of possible witnesses is significantly fewer than 10, much less 40?
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Anonymous wrote:DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed.

Hey genius bar - he wrote that stuff in his yearbook.


My DH was on the swim team at an all male high school in California. In the yearbook swim team photo, most of the boys have erections. The comments throughout the book were trashy. It’s what hs boys do to show their immaturity.
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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed


NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!


I'm sure his wife is well aware of how he behaves when under the influence.


Oh, you mean when he was a teenager?


regardless of your thoughts on the “alleged” assaults, you are an idiot if you don’t think BK drinks “to excess” in front of his wife on the regular. GMAFB.


Oh, I'm sorry - do you have evidence that he "drinks to excess" as an adult? In public or in private? No? Didn't think so. Get a life.


Well then I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. I was raised by an alcoholic. I know one when I see one.
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Anonymous wrote:Dem here. I'm on the fence about whether I hope Kavanaugh isn't confirmed which means Republicans are energized and Dems lose (polls now pointing at this plus Repubs historically vote in higher numbers than Dems in midterms) or he is confirmed, energizing Dems for midterms even though we get stuck with decades of this temperamentally unfit alcoholic abuser on the SCOTUS. Given his behavior he shouldn't but it's d@mned if you do and if you don't.


You will be lucky to have a very qualified justice on SCOTUS.

I stated days ago, after the FBI investigation was started, that there would be nothing in this report that would be a game changer. The only sad thing about the investigation is that it won’t exonerate Kavanaugh. It can’t. When someone brings charges that are 36 years old, had no date or place of the alleged crime, and all the named individuals allegedly there have no knowledge of either the party of the allegations, how can you expect this report to be any game changer? I still cannot believe that people are actually believing the crap that has been alleged.
Think about it - NOTHING has corroborated her story.

Liberals know that. That's why they've pivoted to the fact that he got angry about being accused of a heinous crime as part of a political smear campaign.

And all this focus on high school yearbooks and teen boys' slang terms for farting is ridicluous. Normal people see it.


I agree with both of you. I never imagined we'd see something so wholly absurd as this confirmation process. And the people calling him an "alcoholic" - obviously he is not. He's had SIX prior FBI investigations, and all of them were clean as a whistle. He is a highly respected judge. His behavior as a teenager has nothing to do with his decades of experience on the bench and good works as a citizen. The whole thing is truly disgusting.


I agree with you that behavior during one's teens may not matter much in the grand scheme. What matters in this case is that he seems to have lied about it while under oath. If he lied about silly minutiae, like what different terms mean in his yearbook, what else might he lie about? It calls one's character in question when they are shown to be liars, per several of his former classmates/roommates.


Do we have evidence that he lied?

I mean, if HRC is an evil lizard person, she certainly should never be elected President. We can make all sorts of conjectures about ifs. What about evidence? Facts? Truth?


PP here. I have not commented much in politics, but I'll say this. I will grant that none of us can say with 100% certainty that either Dr. Blasey or Judge Kavanaugh were lying. But given the evidence that has come out from his contemporaries at GT Prep, former classmates, roomates, etc., I think it's reasonable to say that that there is a high likelihood that he did not tell the complete truth about everything.

I'm also a Ph.D.-trained research scientist. We're trained to never say with 100% certainty that we believe the data, but we talk in terms of likelihoods. I would say that in this case, based on the evidence, that there is a high likelihood that he is lying about at least some minor details.
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Anonymous wrote:Ford came forward, good for her but it is unfair and wrong that she gets a free pass on any probing questions, just maybe she is lying (although there seems to be no motivation for that, but still). No one can deny that her claim about being afraid to fly is BS. And her boyfriend of 6 years claims she stolen from him and other transgressions - his exact dates he did recall from 30 years ago match up with the dates Ford's friend took polygraph- how would he know that unless it was true? It is unfair she gets a pass - sorry but it just is and I am a woman. I don't have a problem with the questioning of Kavanaugh, hey he signed up for it. TS that his family gets hurt, he brought them into it. I would like to hear why Ford will not release her polygraph notes, because otherwise I form my own conclusion. I wish BOTH sides would be investigated and the vote not to be for a few weeks to have more thorough questioning. But let's be clear, under a microscope she has blemishes too..


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I see no reason why Ford shouldn't be thoroughly investigated as well. Polygraph, therapist notes, etc. Why should only the accused be subject to humiliating investigations?
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Anonymous wrote:The FBI should have questioned the GP football player who lived 4 blocks from Columbia Country Club.


There are over 40 people who *should* have been interviewed, but weren't. And somehow there are people here who think that is acceptable.


You clearly don't understand what the FBI is tasked to do in these "investigations" (not just Kavanaugh's).


You realize the FBI wanted to interview all of these people and were barred from doing so, right?


Citation please.
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DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed


NP. I haven't read anything about his family. Kavanaugh himself dragged his family into it during the hearing. He mentioned his 10 year old daughter "suggesting" that they pray for "the woman". Sorry, not believable. His wife appears to dutifully support him (likely with her own doubts and confusion). But she is protecting her kids first. Do you actually think that a 10 year old is aware of the specific details? Did dad have a heart to heart with his 10 year old daughter about a woman accusing him of a heinous attempted rape? Did his wife have that conversation with their DD? Highly unlikely! A mother will buffer and protect their children first and foremost, to their death.

Kavanaugh used his daughter in that hearing scenario to portray his "alter boy" profile. Shame on him. He should not have mentioned his family, at all. This in addition to all of the other bullshit coming out of his mouth.

However, this will be a vote based on his past indiscretions during his political career and prior. No witnesses to the assault. The judgement will be based on his character, integrity, and proof or not of perjury, despite plenty of unheard accounts of alleged victims, those that support the unheard and those that drank/lived with him. Serious mistakes on both party sides. Demeaning mockery of Ford by Trump. Senators who might be swayed one way or the other. Americans who will protest the decision, regardless. 'Murcia!


I'm sure his wife is well aware of how he behaves when under the influence.


Oh, you mean when he was a teenager?


regardless of your thoughts on the “alleged” assaults, you are an idiot if you don’t think BK drinks “to excess” in front of his wife on the regular. GMAFB.


Oh, I'm sorry - do you have evidence that he "drinks to excess" as an adult? In public or in private? No? Didn't think so. Get a life.


Well then I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. I was raised by an alcoholic. I know one when I see one.


Oh, sweetie. Your personal experiences have no bearing here. Sorry, but they just don't. Stop extrapolating them onto someone you've never even met.
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Multiple posters have said (paraphrasing bc the endless requotes are making us dizzy):

1. Ford "publicly" accused K of attempted rape
2. Feinstein is to blame for holding the letter to blow up his appointment

One answer for both points. Ford told Feinstein and her lawyers that she did not want this to be a public scandal. She hoped that it would be investigated privately among SCJ to determine if K would be removed from consideration.

Could Feinstein have been at odds to protect Ford's request and privacy? Do you think she made the decision to secretly hold letter until she deemed the right time to blow it up, without consent from Ford or her lawyers? She is part of a committee of what is supposed to be a non partisan supreme court of law. Why would she risk her own position, lifelong reputation and the trust of the American people that Ford represents?

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Anonymous wrote:Ford unwilling to turn over therapist's notes to the SJC. These notes were leaked to Post and were referenced by Ford as corroborating her story under oath (though after the fact) to the SJC -- THE CON IS OVER


She offered to provide the notes to the FBI but they never showed up to interview her. If she provided them to the SJC, they would immediately be selectively leaked.


Because they weren't going to interview her and her lawyers knew it. Nor should they because, as you all keep saying, this isn't a criminal trial.

She can file a report and give them to the local police who have said over and over again they would be glad to help even if the statue of limitations has run out.


You can't have it both ways. If Grassley thinks the therapist's notes and other documents are important enough to request, they should are important enough for the FBI to review as part of its background investigation. It makes no sense that an investigation instigated by Ford's testimony wouldn't include an interview with her. It is clear to everyone that the White House restricted this investigation in order to achieve its desired outcome.


She shared them with the Washington Post, but not the senators, because you say they might be leaked? Leaked to who? She already shared them.

I think, frankly, her lawyers are lying (again). They have no intention of sharing those notes with the FBI, or anyone else, but favorable press.


Obviously she didn't share everything that the Committee wants. Otherwise they could just read them in the Post.


The Post has the notes. Why the secrecy unless they don't help her story?


Certainly you aren’t this dumb in real life? Because the SJC would not bother with leaking them. They’d pick the most salacious bits and post them on their website.

She was in couples therapy. Talking about a rape attempt. So the notes contain a discussion of hers — and her husband’s— private martial problems. And if the attempted rape came up, this likely has something to do with sexual problems. She has kids. She’s a professor The notes contain her husband’s information and issues too. And, oh yeah, the SJC just posted ON THEIR OFFICIAL WEBSITE very selectively edited excerpts of a letter by a bipolar MAGAtt talking about how one abuse victim liked group sex.

So just spitballing here. Maybe she doesn’t want the SJC’s next post to be a therapists notes from when her husband had an affair and said it was her fault because she could only have sex in some weird, kinky way which she attributes to an attempted rape? For her husband’s colleagues and kids and students to read and us to pick apart on DCUM? Just a thought... Idiot.


DP. Wow. But I guess it's perfectly ok for Kavanaugh's wife, kids, parents, friends, and colleagues to read all kinds of salacious information about his private life and for DCUM loonies, like yourself, to pick it all apart online, for all to see? Just a thought.. idiot, indeed.


It nobody posted Kavanaughs medical records on other PII online. The discussion is about acts that took place in public. We expect provactpy with our doctor, lawyer, therapist and priest. Not with our Bros.


Learn to write coherently, then get back to us.
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Anonymous wrote:Question for those familiar with Senate procedure - if the cloture vote passes tomorrow does that mean the game's over on confirmation?


No. It just means the Senators feel they are ready to vote. The attempts and ACA repeal went down infames, despite getting cloture. Normally, the appointee would be pulled if the votes aren’t’ there. But Trump’s method is to force even losing votes.
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Anonymous wrote:The FBI should have questioned the GP football player who lived 4 blocks from Columbia Country Club.


There are over 40 people who *should* have been interviewed, but weren't. And somehow there are people here who think that is acceptable.


Yep they questioned less than 10 people. That isn't an "investigation", it's a joke. Of course they didn't find what they needed, they didn't talk to the people who were involved.


Didn't Ford say there were a total of 4 people, other than her, at the party? Isn't the investigation regarding Ford's allegation? Why 40 people, if the investigation is regarding Ford's allegation and the number of possible witnesses is significantly fewer than 10, much less 40?


The 40+ people include the members of the public who have come forward to offer sworn statements as it relates to all three allegations.
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