Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

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Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

You forgot the most important reason. “It makes OP feel insecure about the educational choices she made for her own child(ren). Therefore, she’s going to make up a lot of ridiculous ‘reasons’ in order to scare parents off from doing anything that might dull her little Larla’s competitive advantage, because education is about winning, not learning.”

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Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Dream on, won’t happen and you are either not a parent or lying through your teeth.

It happens every day, all of the time, with the kids who are redshirting who are otherwise healthy and have normal brain functions.

That is the only way some kids have advantages over other kids? Really? And aren’t redshirted kids dumb and slow? Sounds more like hamstringing than helping. If you hire tutors, feed your kids healthy foods and read to them isn’t that also cheating in your world?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

Where does this happen?

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I see you are as sensitive as your kid. You want to call people obtuse and then cry about name calling? Camp is not a life necessity. Your kid would benefit by expanding their social group.

Work on your reading comprehension. The obtuse comment was from a different poster aimed at me.

Who said camp was a life necessity? I certainly didn't. I said that age cutoffs should be aligned, otherwise you encourage redshirting. It ends up being a sucky situation for end of summer or September kids who go on time. It's like activities and camps already assume that everyone redshirts.

And eyeroll to the posters who say that the solution is to lie about your kids age. I rely on camp for childcare. If my 7 let it slip that she wasn't 8, as required, I don't want a call that she's kicked out. Not worth it.

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I see you are as sensitive as your kid. You want to call people obtuse and then cry about name calling? Camp is not a life necessity. Your kid would benefit by expanding their social group.

Work on your reading comprehension. The obtuse comment was from a different poster aimed at me.

Who said camp was a life necessity? I certainly didn't. I said that age cutoffs should be aligned, otherwise you encourage redshirting. It ends up being a sucky situation for end of summer or September kids who go on time. It's like activities and camps already assume that everyone redshirts.

And eyeroll to the posters who say that the solution is to lie about your kids age. I rely on camp for childcare. If my 7 let it slip that she wasn't 8, as required, I don't want a call that she's kicked out. Not worth it.

Maybe there is a legit reason campers need to be 8. Someone upthread says 8 yr olds shouldn’t compete with 7 yr olds. Either age matters or it doesn’t. Why do you want your kid at a camp they aren’t old enough for?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Dream on, won’t happen and you are either not a parent or lying through your teeth.

It happens every day, all of the time, with the kids who are redshirting who are otherwise healthy and have normal brain functions.

And aren’t redshirted kids dumb and slow?

You do realize that the decision to redshirt is up to the parents, not the child. You shouldn't judge kids because of something they had no control over. I know that if it had been up to me, I would've started on time. It's not fair to label a kid as "dumb and slow" because of a choice their parents made.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Dream on, won’t happen and you are either not a parent or lying through your teeth.

It happens every day, all of the time, with the kids who are redshirting who are otherwise healthy and have normal brain functions.

And aren’t redshirted kids dumb and slow?

You do realize that the decision to redshirt is up to the parents, not the child. You shouldn't judge kids because of something they had no control over. I know that if it had been up to me, I would've started on time. It's not fair to label a kid as "dumb and slow" because of a choice their parents made.

The PP who fixates on the dumb and slow is mentally disturbed and math challenged who apparently bullies other children to over compensate for their pathetic existence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Dream on, won’t happen and you are either not a parent or lying through your teeth.

It happens every day, all of the time, with the kids who are redshirting who are otherwise healthy and have normal brain functions.

And aren’t redshirted kids dumb and slow?

You do realize that the decision to redshirt is up to the parents, not the child. You shouldn't judge kids because of something they had no control over. I know that if it had been up to me, I would've started on time. It's not fair to label a kid as "dumb and slow" because of a choice their parents made.

The PP who fixates on the dumb and slow is mentally disturbed and math challenged who apparently bullies other children to over compensate for their pathetic existence.

To add: i think the above PP is being facetious but their is one weirdo here for sure that fits the bill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

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I've never understood why an 8-year-old 2nd grader reading at a 3rd grade level is more impressive than an 8-year-old 3rd grader reading at a 3rd grade level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

+1

I've never understood why an 8-year-old 2nd grader reading at a 3rd grade level is more impressive than an 8-year-old 3rd grader reading at a 3rd grade level.

The fact that you have thought about this at all is pretty sad. And I don't think there are many kids who are 8 in second grade....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

+1

I've never understood why an 8-year-old 2nd grader reading at a 3rd grade level is more impressive than an 8-year-old 3rd grader reading at a 3rd grade level.

The fact that you have thought about this at all is pretty sad. And I don't think there are many kids who are 8 in second grade....

What in the world? My DD is turning 8 in late Sept, in 2nd grade. She will be 8 all year long in a place where the cut off is 9/1. What age do you think kids are in 2nd grade? But I agree with your point that age/reading level is sad. Is this something people are even talking about anywhere? I usually only here it when braggy parents talk about their 3-4 year olds and how advanced they think they are because they can decode.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

+1

I've never understood why an 8-year-old 2nd grader reading at a 3rd grade level is more impressive than an 8-year-old 3rd grader reading at a 3rd grade level.

The fact that you have thought about this at all is pretty sad. And I don't think there are many kids who are 8 in second grade....

What in the world? My DD is turning 8 in late Sept, in 2nd grade. She will be 8 all year long in a place where the cut off is 9/1. What age do you think kids are in 2nd grade? But I agree with your point that age/reading level is sad. Is this something people are even talking about anywhere? I usually only here it when braggy parents talk about their 3-4 year olds and how advanced they think they are because they can decode.

Sorry - haven't had enough coffee to do math properly (and clearly I'm not as fixated on this issue as the previous poster - ha).

[Anonymous]

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I see you are as sensitive as your kid. You want to call people obtuse and then cry about name calling? Camp is not a life necessity. Your kid would benefit by expanding their social group.

Work on your reading comprehension. The obtuse comment was from a different poster aimed at me.

Who said camp was a life necessity? I certainly didn't. I said that age cutoffs should be aligned, otherwise you encourage redshirting. It ends up being a sucky situation for end of summer or September kids who go on time. It's like activities and camps already assume that everyone redshirts.

And eyeroll to the posters who say that the solution is to lie about your kids age. I rely on camp for childcare. If my 7 let it slip that she wasn't 8, as required, I don't want a call that she's kicked out. Not worth it.

Maybe there is a legit reason campers need to be 8. Someone upthread says 8 yr olds shouldn’t compete with 7 yr olds. Either age matters or it doesn’t. Why do you want your kid at a camp they aren’t old enough for?

Haha, listen - I occasionally lied about my kids age to get her into camps with her friends (camps for which she missed the cutoff by three weeks, incidentally). Age cutoffs are necessarily arbitrary- they have to be. A kid three weeks older than my kid isn’t necessarily more or less ready for anything once we’re out of the infant stage. I know what my kid can handle better than the teenagers who run the camp.

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I see you are as sensitive as your kid. You want to call people obtuse and then cry about name calling? Camp is not a life necessity. Your kid would benefit by expanding their social group.

Work on your reading comprehension. The obtuse comment was from a different poster aimed at me.

Who said camp was a life necessity? I certainly didn't. I said that age cutoffs should be aligned, otherwise you encourage redshirting. It ends up being a sucky situation for end of summer or September kids who go on time. It's like activities and camps already assume that everyone redshirts.

And eyeroll to the posters who say that the solution is to lie about your kids age. I rely on camp for childcare. If my 7 let it slip that she wasn't 8, as required, I don't want a call that she's kicked out. Not worth it.

Maybe there is a legit reason campers need to be 8. Someone upthread says 8 yr olds shouldn’t compete with 7 yr olds. Either age matters or it doesn’t. Why do you want your kid at a camp they aren’t old enough for?

Haha, listen - I occasionally lied about my kids age to get her into camps with her friends (camps for which she missed the cutoff by three weeks, incidentally). Age cutoffs are necessarily arbitrary- they have to be. A kid three weeks older than my kid isn’t necessarily more or less ready for anything once we’re out of the infant stage. I know what my kid can handle better than the teenagers who run the camp.

Ok, so if that's the case, don't some parents know their kids well enough to decide that they should wait a year for kindergarten? I would think they know better than some biddies on DCUM who seem obsessed with the literal age of kids and black/white thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

+1

I've never understood why an 8-year-old 2nd grader reading at a 3rd grade level is more impressive than an 8-year-old 3rd grader reading at a 3rd grade level.

And I don't think there are many kids who are 8 in second grade....

I was just speaking hypothetically.