Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was a non-redshirted late September birthday. I started college as a 17 year old.

Parents should make decisions based on what is best for their kids. DS is a late June birthday, we started him on time. He is annoyed that he cannot play many sports with his friends, in the same grade, because they were born in a different year. Academically he is great, he was accepted into AAP even though he is the third youngest kid in his class.

And yes, he knows he is the third youngest, not because we told him but because his classmates discuss when their birthdays are. He also knows the kids who are older because the kids discuss their birthdays and ages. The oldest kid in the class told me, in first grade, that he was in a different Den for Cub Scouts then my DS because he was older so he wanted to be in the older Den. I didn't ask him, he saw me at a Pack meeting and told me. Said kid has also told his classmates what other things he can do, different camps and the like, because he is older then they are. How do I know? My kid came home and said he wanted to do camp X next summer because it sounded cool but he was too young. So yes, some of the kids who are red shirted know about it and seem to care.

I suspect that the youngest/oldest stories fall over a wide range of responses based on the kids personalities and home environment.

This is really odd as our cub scouts always went by grade/not age. Same with most camps. A few were more age based but all but one were happy to take my child (but I am talking speciality camps) and one said no as they were not getting any younger kids and the average age was 14-15 vs. my child was 9 at the time, which made sense as even if he were a grade older they still may have called and not taken him. And, worst case, they wait till the next year. If anything its been nice to get in that extra year of the better/speciality camps as its gone by grade, not age.

Nearly all of our camps go by age, not grade, at that's the drop down in the centralized county system. And there typically isn't a way to call to get any flexibility during the sign up period, as the camps aren't truly staffed until the summer, and they are relying on the inflexible county registration software. It's an annual issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a non-redshirted late September birthday. I started college as a 17 year old.

Parents should make decisions based on what is best for their kids. DS is a late June birthday, we started him on time. He is annoyed that he cannot play many sports with his friends, in the same grade, because they were born in a different year. Academically he is great, he was accepted into AAP even though he is the third youngest kid in his class.

And yes, he knows he is the third youngest, not because we told him but because his classmates discuss when their birthdays are. He also knows the kids who are older because the kids discuss their birthdays and ages. The oldest kid in the class told me, in first grade, that he was in a different Den for Cub Scouts then my DS because he was older so he wanted to be in the older Den. I didn't ask him, he saw me at a Pack meeting and told me. Said kid has also told his classmates what other things he can do, different camps and the like, because he is older then they are. How do I know? My kid came home and said he wanted to do camp X next summer because it sounded cool but he was too young. So yes, some of the kids who are red shirted know about it and seem to care.

I suspect that the youngest/oldest stories fall over a wide range of responses based on the kids personalities and home environment.

This is really odd as our cub scouts always went by grade/not age. Same with most camps. A few were more age based but all but one were happy to take my child (but I am talking speciality camps) and one said no as they were not getting any younger kids and the average age was 14-15 vs. my child was 9 at the time, which made sense as even if he were a grade older they still may have called and not taken him. And, worst case, they wait till the next year. If anything its been nice to get in that extra year of the better/speciality camps as its gone by grade, not age.

Nearly all of our camps go by age, not grade, at that's the drop down in the centralized county system. And there typically isn't a way to call to get any flexibility during the sign up period, as the camps aren't truly staffed until the summer, and they are relying on the inflexible county registration software. It's an annual issue.

Where are you going that its age? Every one we have seen or go to is by age. I have a swimmer and with county/swim groups they will allow my child to swim up depending on the class if age is an issue and they just register my child differently.

[Anonymous]

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I have a September kid and it has never been an issue. They always let our child in per grade. I have my child in several things where they are the youngest this summer and an age exception was made.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I have a September kid and it has never been an issue. They always let our child in per grade. I have my child in several things where they are the youngest this summer and an age exception was made.

Signing up for camp is like getting tickets to a Taylor Swift concert in 2014. You have to click the moment registration opens. The system crashes. You keep clicking hoping to get in when the system reboots. It's all by age. There is no flexibility and no one to talk to by phone. Getting a camp slot at all is super competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Better stop all out of school academic enrichment, then. That's far more impactful in a negative way on other kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Dream on, won’t happen and you are either not a parent or lying through your teeth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I see you are as sensitive as your kid. You want to call people obtuse and then cry about name calling? Camp is not a life necessity. Your kid would benefit by expanding their social group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I have a September kid and it has never been an issue. They always let our child in per grade. I have my child in several things where they are the youngest this summer and an age exception was made.

Signing up for camp is like getting tickets to a Taylor Swift concert in 2014. You have to click the moment registration opens. The system crashes. You keep clicking hoping to get in when the system reboots. It's all by age. There is no flexibility and no one to talk to by phone. Getting a camp slot at all is super competitive.

PP who is having trouble signing kids ip for camps due to age… I don’t know where you are but in our county it was super easy to just change our kid’s age on their profile when they would be just a bit too young for the camp they wanted. No one ever checked 😉

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

When the kids cannot be together because one set of parents started "on time" and another set of parents redshirted, then it is manufactured, and causing an unneccsary social rift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Having your 8 year old think they are so smart because they are competing against 6-7 year olds is not great parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Why is giving your kid an advantage not good parenting?

Sets a bad moral example, sets them up for unreasonable expectations, insulates them from coping with challenges or learning value/necessity of hard work, can undermine self-confidence when they eventually realize their parents thought they needed an advantage, etc. etc. etc.

Dream on, won’t happen and you are either not a parent or lying through your teeth.

It happens every day, all of the time, with the kids who are redshirting who are otherwise healthy and have normal brain functions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid

I have a September kid and it has never been an issue. They always let our child in per grade. I have my child in several things where they are the youngest this summer and an age exception was made.

Signing up for camp is like getting tickets to a Taylor Swift concert in 2014. You have to click the moment registration opens. The system crashes. You keep clicking hoping to get in when the system reboots. It's all by age. There is no flexibility and no one to talk to by phone. Getting a camp slot at all is super competitive.

PP who is having trouble signing kids ip for camps due to age… I don’t know where you are but in our county it was super easy to just change our kid’s age on their profile when they would be just a bit too young for the camp they wanted. No one ever checked 😉

So now we are into the lying about my kid to get them into a program phase of the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

When the kids cannot be together because one set of parents started "on time" and another set of parents redshirted, then it is manufactured, and causing an unneccsary social rift.

So camps are following grade level or birthdays? PP is complaining about birthday cutoffs different from school cut offs. That has nothing to do with redshirting.if the camp used grade then PP would have no problem.