Alleged teacher shortage

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love my children's teachers. But I'm also fully aware of the job market and hiring conditions. Teachers that are looking to make a transition out have a lot to think about.

Especially considering we are still at an all-time high for unemployment - where will they find a career with similar pay/benefits/time-off (especially important if a parent), that will allow them to work from home indefinitely.

Teachers actually have a much safer environment than many other careers, even those that have a WFH option.

Can you elaborate on this?


I'm assuming that they forgot to consider school shootings.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love my children's teachers. But I'm also fully aware of the job market and hiring conditions. Teachers that are looking to make a transition out have a lot to think about.

Especially considering we are still at an all-time high for unemployment - where will they find a career with similar pay/benefits/time-off (especially important if a parent), that will allow them to work from home indefinitely.

Teachers actually have a much safer environment than many other careers, even those that have a WFH option.

Can you elaborate on this?


I'm assuming that they forgot to consider school shootings.



I’ve receive therapy for my opinions (free of charge of course) but I wouldn’t risk my live over a child if a shooter broke into my school. Cold? Maybe. Harsh? Undoubtedly. Do I still get to see my own children. No brainer. I repulse the idea of being labeled a “hero” and leaving my biological offsprings without a parent.
Anonymous
Maybe they are typing on a cellphone genius. Stay on topic. There are so many troll posters that want to bash teachers. We can't even pay a union to stick up for us. This is why education is doomed to fail. It always turns ugly against the ones working for positive change. The easy fraudsters will the money and rank off our hard work and put us on PAR afterward.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it seems to me like there is a "war on teachers" coming from politicians who don't want to fund them, principals who want to fire them if they don't inflate the grades for the ones who don't show up, and even the union, which won't protect them for doing a tough job when the kids want to watch movies and play videogames all class. Kids don't want to work, principals don't want to work and they make teachers do a stressed-out song and dance, and then pressure them to fraudulently send as many people into student debt. It is a big corrupt machine of debt creation. Then teachers are fired. The reason no one wants to teach is because they hear the horror stories. MCPS is the worst. Even if you are a great teacher the behavior of the kids sucks because there is no professionalism or support coming out of administration. You're basically halfway fired on the day that you're hired.


Fixed it for you, "teacher." If you are, in fact, a teacher, I'm not surprised that MCPS administrators might be rethinking your employment.


Wow. The post from the teacher sounds like it truly is from a teacher. I assume the 2nd poster replying to the teacher is one of those parents who hates teachers, thinks it’s an easy job (ha ha ha!!!), and wants her darling little ones to get passing grades even if they do nothing and they’re the type of parent who is totally fine with their kids doing nothing.

Doing nothing and passing won’t prepare your kids for future college or employment. It’s too bad so many parents and admin don’t get that.



I'm a young teacher and the things the first poster said started to dawn on me a few weeks ago. The disconnect between the job I thought I was getting into and the job I've gotten into are frankly pretty awful, and I will be getting out whenever I can.

I don't think that the higher ups set out to let failing students pass, but I presume there are accreditation and other state or federal-level pressures that put 100% of the burden of having students pass on the school system and therefore on the teachers. We have students coming to us from MS with grades that are unimaginable given their paltry or sometimes total lack of knowledge. We also have students who are about to graduate and are headed to college and aren't even performing at the middle school level in my subject.

The common thread is that they don't listen, don't study, don't do homework and don't seek help, except sometimes the last week of the quarter when they want to know "how I can improve my grade" or worse, "what can WE do about my grade", as if it suddenly were my responsibility to get them to pass. Many of these kids are not deprived--they have other priorities, which often include hours and hours of sports outside of school. I guess they know the drill?

Imagine being a doctor with a long-term alcoholic patient, who demands that you give them a clean bill of health in spite of their advanced cirrhosis.

The parents who are pushing for higher grades to send these students to college are fooling themselves.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love my children's teachers. But I'm also fully aware of the job market and hiring conditions. Teachers that are looking to make a transition out have a lot to think about.

Especially considering we are still at an all-time high for unemployment - where will they find a career with similar pay/benefits/time-off (especially important if a parent), that will allow them to work from home indefinitely.

Teachers actually have a much safer environment than many other careers, even those that have a WFH option.


Plenty of cushy federal government jobs available to them on USAJOBS right now. It will probably feel like working half-time compared to teaching.



What jobs are these?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love my children's teachers. But I'm also fully aware of the job market and hiring conditions. Teachers that are looking to make a transition out have a lot to think about.

Especially considering we are still at an all-time high for unemployment - where will they find a career with similar pay/benefits/time-off (especially important if a parent), that will allow them to work from home indefinitely.

Teachers actually have a much safer environment than many other careers, even those that have a WFH option.


Plenty of cushy federal government jobs available to them on USAJOBS right now. It will probably feel like working half-time compared to teaching.


Lmao! It is virtually impossible to get a federal job. They have thousands of applicants for each opening. I hope you are a disabled veteran.
Anonymous
Note to aspiring teachers: change your major.

US society has decided that you are dumb, lazy, and have no viable prospects if you decide to leave the profession. Your only recourse is to shut up and put up with whatever duties and conditions your district imposed at the demand of parents. Don’t even think about publicly supporting the union that advocates for you. That would be a sign that you are a leftist thug.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Note to aspiring teachers: change your major.

US society has decided that you are dumb, lazy, and have no viable prospects if you decide to leave the profession. Your only recourse is to shut up and put up with whatever duties and conditions your district imposed at the demand of parents. Don’t even think about publicly supporting the union that advocates for you. That would be a sign that you are a leftist thug.


Teacher Career Coach (Google her). People do get out all the time! I’ve even connected with people who got out of teaching during the pandemic. Teacher Career Coach had a fb group and has a new platform for teachers looking to leave teaching to connect and share. Teacher Career Coach also has a podcast where teachers share stories of leaving to become software engineers and such (yes, many teachers are smart enough to become software engineers and make the six figures salary they’ll never see in teaching).

If you haven’t graduated with an Ed degree yet I promise that choosing a different major will be better though! But if you’re already in- you are not truly stuck. I’m hoping to get out but it’s harder with the pandemic. As much as I hate Trump, my professor for my HR class I’m currently taking works in recruiting and HR management and she told us that in fall of 2019 the amount of jobs available was the best it had been in years!! Then the pandemic happened and in fall 2020 it was what it is...

As a teacher myself I have been scared by how poorly educated some teachers seem to be, but that is rare. Most are not stupid- they just don’t want a desk job, want to make a difference, and want to work with kids. Some want a schedule that the feel works well with their own kids (although this is debatable as some districts require you working all the time since they greatly lack resources). I’ve thought of going back for nursing since I previously worked in the corporate world and despised 8 hours of sitting on my arse day after day, feeling like I was making no difference in the work I was doing. Nursing likely would have been a better fit for me but I know some nurses and I know they’re is an abundance of nursing grads. Many others who hate office life go back to school for nursing and there’s not enough jobs for new nurses. You can look it up- many can’t find jobs for a year or more after graduation. I kept hearing about the teacher shortage and tried subbing and went for it. Subbing obviously wasn’t a good way to know if it was a good fit because subs don’t deal with parents and all that. But I didn’t know that back then. I wish I did nursing from the getco but I’ll likely return to an office job once the economy is better. Some parents are so sweet and understanding but most make them job insufferable. I’ve worked in customer service positions where the “Karen’s” were less annoying because a lot of parents just don’t get that you’re dealing with more that just their one kid and that you truly care about each student you have. Many parents are such a nightmare to work with. Some of my nurse friends won’t do pediatrics because they don’t want to have to deal with parents all the time. People get that you care about your own kid(s) A LOT but unless a professional working to help your kid seems like a total heartless jerk doing their job for all the wrong reasons.... then just trust they’re doing what they believe and we’re trained to believe is right.

Rambling and on phone. Yes my writing here makes me look like the moron many of you believe most teachers to be. I’m used to people thinking I’m an idiot because I’m a teacher. Can’t wait to get out, but I’ll keep doing my best for the kids while I’m still in it.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Note to aspiring teachers: change your major.

US society has decided that you are dumb, lazy, and have no viable prospects if you decide to leave the profession. Your only recourse is to shut up and put up with whatever duties and conditions your district imposed at the demand of parents. Don’t even think about publicly supporting the union that advocates for you. That would be a sign that you are a leftist thug.


Teacher Career Coach (Google her). People do get out all the time! I’ve even connected with people who got out of teaching during the pandemic. Teacher Career Coach had a fb group and has a new platform for teachers looking to leave teaching to connect and share. Teacher Career Coach also has a podcast where teachers share stories of leaving to become software engineers and such (yes, many teachers are smart enough to become software engineers and make the six figures salary they’ll never see in teaching).

If you haven’t graduated with an Ed degree yet I promise that choosing a different major will be better though! But if you’re already in- you are not truly stuck. I’m hoping to get out but it’s harder with the pandemic. As much as I hate Trump, my professor for my HR class I’m currently taking works in recruiting and HR management and she told us that in fall of 2019 the amount of jobs available was the best it had been in years!! Then the pandemic happened and in fall 2020 it was what it is...

As a teacher myself I have been scared by how poorly educated some teachers seem to be, but that is rare. Most are not stupid- they just don’t want a desk job, want to make a difference, and want to work with kids. Some want a schedule that the feel works well with their own kids (although this is debatable as some districts require you working all the time since they greatly lack resources). I’ve thought of going back for nursing since I previously worked in the corporate world and despised 8 hours of sitting on my arse day after day, feeling like I was making no difference in the work I was doing. Nursing likely would have been a better fit for me but I know some nurses and I know they’re is an abundance of nursing grads. Many others who hate office life go back to school for nursing and there’s not enough jobs for new nurses. You can look it up- many can’t find jobs for a year or more after graduation. I kept hearing about the teacher shortage and tried subbing and went for it. Subbing obviously wasn’t a good way to know if it was a good fit because subs don’t deal with parents and all that. But I didn’t know that back then. I wish I did nursing from the getco but I’ll likely return to an office job once the economy is better. Some parents are so sweet and understanding but most make them job insufferable. I’ve worked in customer service positions where the “Karen’s” were less annoying because a lot of parents just don’t get that you’re dealing with more that just their one kid and that you truly care about each student you have. Many parents are such a nightmare to work with. Some of my nurse friends won’t do pediatrics because they don’t want to have to deal with parents all the time. People get that you care about your own kid(s) A LOT but unless a professional working to help your kid seems like a total heartless jerk doing their job for all the wrong reasons.... then just trust they’re doing what they believe and we’re trained to believe is right.

Rambling and on phone. Yes my writing here makes me look like the moron many of you believe most teachers to be. I’m used to people thinking I’m an idiot because I’m a teacher. Can’t wait to get out, but I’ll keep doing my best for the kids while I’m still in it.



ITA with this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love my children's teachers. But I'm also fully aware of the job market and hiring conditions. Teachers that are looking to make a transition out have a lot to think about.

Especially considering we are still at an all-time high for unemployment - where will they find a career with similar pay/benefits/time-off (especially important if a parent), that will allow them to work from home indefinitely.

Teachers actually have a much safer environment than many other careers, even those that have a WFH option.

Can you elaborate on this?


I'm assuming that they forgot to consider school shootings.



I’ve receive therapy for my opinions (free of charge of course) but I wouldn’t risk my live over a child if a shooter broke into my school. Cold? Maybe. Harsh? Undoubtedly. Do I still get to see my own children. No brainer. I repulse the idea of being labeled a “hero” and leaving my biological offsprings without a parent.


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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it seems to me like there is a "war on teachers" coming from politicians who don't want to fund them, principals who want to fire them if they don't inflate the grades for the ones who don't show up, and even the union, which won't protect them for doing a tough job when the kids want to watch movies and play videogames all class. Kids don't want to work, principals don't want to work and they make teachers do a stressed-out song and dance, and then pressure them to fraudulently send as many people into student debt. It is a big corrupt machine of debt creation. Then teachers are fired. The reason no one wants to teach is because they hear the horror stories. MCPS is the worst. Even if you are a great teacher the behavior of the kids sucks because there is no professionalism or support coming out of administration. You're basically halfway fired on the day that you're hired.


Fixed it for you, "teacher." If you are, in fact, a teacher, I'm not surprised that MCPS administrators might be rethinking your employment.


Wow. The post from the teacher sounds like it truly is from a teacher. I assume the 2nd poster replying to the teacher is one of those parents who hates teachers, thinks it’s an easy job (ha ha ha!!!), and wants her darling little ones to get passing grades even if they do nothing and they’re the type of parent who is totally fine with their kids doing nothing.

Doing nothing and passing won’t prepare your kids for future college or employment. It’s too bad so many parents and admin don’t get that.



I'm a young teacher and the things the first poster said started to dawn on me a few weeks ago. The disconnect between the job I thought I was getting into and the job I've gotten into are frankly pretty awful, and I will be getting out whenever I can.

I don't think that the higher ups set out to let failing students pass, but I presume there are accreditation and other state or federal-level pressures that put 100% of the burden of having students pass on the school system and therefore on the teachers. We have students coming to us from MS with grades that are unimaginable given their paltry or sometimes total lack of knowledge. We also have students who are about to graduate and are headed to college and aren't even performing at the middle school level in my subject.

The common thread is that they don't listen, don't study, don't do homework and don't seek help, except sometimes the last week of the quarter when they want to know "how I can improve my grade" or worse, "what can WE do about my grade", as if it suddenly were my responsibility to get them to pass. Many of these kids are not deprived--they have other priorities, which often include hours and hours of sports outside of school. I guess they know the drill?

Imagine being a doctor with a long-term alcoholic patient, who demands that you give them a clean bill of health in spite of their advanced cirrhosis.

The parents who are pushing for higher grades to send these students to college are fooling themselves.



This is so true. My children have been in FCPS for over 10 years and I have watched with dismay the reduction in expectations over the years. The equity police grabbed hold and eliminated homework, reading, science fairs and anything else that required any work to be done from home. Achievement is no longer celebrated and NOT getting into trouble is! We now have black box schools and parents who are interested in knowing how their kids are doing are mostly blocked. Want your kids to read a book (other than what's read TO them at school in ES during school hours), do it yourself!

I scrambled to get my 2nd into AAP and was happy with the experience but AAP local level middle school was a joke. Required reading of novels was eliminated! What else is gone? And parents are so happy they don't have to manage anything anymore.

If school systems expect nothing, kids will do nothing. We are just lying to kids if we think that telling them all they need to do to be successful is do what's spoon-fed to them during their specific school-day-allotted-time-slot will get them where they need to go. Well, maybe it will now when you look at the changes to TJ admissions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know the history of all this, but maybe one of the transformations coming out of all this is really finding a way to recruit college grads into the profession. College grad underemployment is huge and getting worse. It's a 2:1 value proposition because it gives this group a profession to dedicate themselves and draws from a younger, healthier population.

"The unemployment rate for young college graduates exceeds that of the general population, and about 41 percent of recent college graduates -- and 33.8 percent of all college graduates -- are underemployed in that they are working in jobs that don't require a college degree, according to new data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York."

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/02/18/41-recent-grads-work-jobs-not-requiring-degree



Well, more people are going to college assuming it’ll get them a good job... then they realize they’re competing with all the others who thought it’d be great to study the same thing too... I even know lawyers who can’t get their first job because there’s more applicants than openings in the state they took the test in.

When everyone goes to college and many jobs are being replaced with computers, we are going to see less college grads landing career jobs and ending up at Starbucks.

It’s sad.


Teaching could be a terrific career path for many in this population. Plus, it's not going to be automated in the near future unless teachers insist on putting themselves out of work by continuing to push distance learning (with end game just centralizing it all).


If someone went to school to be a lawyer, doctor, or something else that pays at least double what a teacher makes, and gets way more respect, I don’t think they’d want to be a teacher! Hell no. They can come on here and see all the engineers, doctors, and lawyers talking about how stupid they think teachers are and how much they don’t appreciate them. Most would probably rather get into a more respected, higher paying trade, or become a SAHM than become a teacher.

But, okay.


I mean there is always the glamour of document review! Partial loan forgiveness might entice quite a few shingle hangers or those slogging it out in document review.
Anonymous
As you have no sympathy or understanding of what goes on in the classroom I would guess you are a central office troll paid six figures to spread propaganda on social media or bash teachers in communications like this or you are just a Karen who doesn't mind high schoolers who ace classes by not showing up or demonstrating mastery. Your type is clueless and will only lead to more teachers leaving. Thanks but job. Read a newspaper once in a while if you think we teachers on the front lines are crazy. If you are a principal good luck with calling in army vets without college degrees to be the new teachers. I wonder if they will roll over and infate the grades for you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think many teachers are looking to get out
Of the classroom and either to become a specialist
Or go into Administration.


I know several teachers that quit this year after long careers. They were burned out and the level of helicopter parent interference was off the chain. Teaching is toxic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it seems to me like there is a "war on teachers" coming from politicians who don't want to fund them, principals who want to fire them if they don't inflate the grades for the ones who don't show up, and even the union, which won't protect them for doing a tough job when the kids want to watch movies and play videogames all class. Kids don't want to work, principals don't want to work and they make teachers do a stressed-out song and dance, and then pressure them to fraudulently send as many people into student debt. It is a big corrupt machine of debt creation. Then teachers are fired. The reason no one wants to teach is because they hear the horror stories. MCPS is the worst. Even if you are a great teacher the behavior of the kids sucks because there is no professionalism or support coming out of administration. You're basically halfway fired on the day that you're hired.


Fixed it for you, "teacher." If you are, in fact, a teacher, I'm not surprised that MCPS administrators might be rethinking your employment.


Wow. The post from the teacher sounds like it truly is from a teacher. I assume the 2nd poster replying to the teacher is one of those parents who hates teachers, thinks it’s an easy job (ha ha ha!!!), and wants her darling little ones to get passing grades even if they do nothing and they’re the type of parent who is totally fine with their kids doing nothing.

Doing nothing and passing won’t prepare your kids for future college or employment. It’s too bad so many parents and admin don’t get that.



I'm a young teacher and the things the first poster said started to dawn on me a few weeks ago. The disconnect between the job I thought I was getting into and the job I've gotten into are frankly pretty awful, and I will be getting out whenever I can.

I don't think that the higher ups set out to let failing students pass, but I presume there are accreditation and other state or federal-level pressures that put 100% of the burden of having students pass on the school system and therefore on the teachers. We have students coming to us from MS with grades that are unimaginable given their paltry or sometimes total lack of knowledge. We also have students who are about to graduate and are headed to college and aren't even performing at the middle school level in my subject.

The common thread is that they don't listen, don't study, don't do homework and don't seek help, except sometimes the last week of the quarter when they want to know "how I can improve my grade" or worse, "what can WE do about my grade", as if it suddenly were my responsibility to get them to pass. Many of these kids are not deprived--they have other priorities, which often include hours and hours of sports outside of school. I guess they know the drill?

Imagine being a doctor with a long-term alcoholic patient, who demands that you give them a clean bill of health in spite of their advanced cirrhosis.

The parents who are pushing for higher grades to send these students to college are fooling themselves.



This is so true. My children have been in FCPS for over 10 years and I have watched with dismay the reduction in expectations over the years. The equity police grabbed hold and eliminated homework, reading, science fairs and anything else that required any work to be done from home. Achievement is no longer celebrated and NOT getting into trouble is! We now have black box schools and parents who are interested in knowing how their kids are doing are mostly blocked. Want your kids to read a book (other than what's read TO them at school in ES during school hours), do it yourself!

I scrambled to get my 2nd into AAP and was happy with the experience but AAP local level middle school was a joke. Required reading of novels was eliminated! What else is gone? And parents are so happy they don't have to manage anything anymore.

If school systems expect nothing, kids will do nothing. We are just lying to kids if we think that telling them all they need to do to be successful is do what's spoon-fed to them during their specific school-day-allotted-time-slot will get them where they need to go. Well, maybe it will now when you look at the changes to TJ admissions.


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