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Also ... when studying the guest worker program, we'd also have to look to see whether the guest workers, as opposed to permanent immigration, has a different impact on the native-born population and the economy.  A lot of people here have claimed (against the evidence) that immigrants "steal" american jobs, drain the economy, and consume more in benefits than they contribute.  As ALL my research links have shown - this is not true. Immigrants contribute to the economy by consuming goods, creating jobs as entrepeneurs, and their native-born children contribute at a higher level.  This all has a positive synergistic effect on the economy, rather than reducing native-born wages. If they are guest workers confined to a single job and short time period, a lot of this positive integration into the economy couldn't really happen, and they would effectively be an "underclass" specifically for the labor use of the industry/employers that hire them.  Maybe this is effectively what's happening now anyway with illegal immigrants working in isolated professions (mainly ag) but that would merit examination. [/quote]

Educated affluent immigrants consume more goods, create more jobs, and their native born children are monopolizing gifted education in this country already as it is. The U.S. has plenty of its own uneducated.

I have to question any research that claims to examine the population that effectively lives in the shadows and isn't all that anxious to be questioned.  Research about illegal migrants has to be routed in much projection.[/quote]

Um ... ok, how about you actually engage in the research?   Just saying that you don't believe it is pretty weak.  And the whole thing about "living in the shadows" is exactly the point -- regularlize labor, and you're NO LONGER IN THE SHADOWS.  You guys not only fail to actually engage in the research, but also refuse logical argument.  [/quote]

Darling, that's not how it works.  You make the claim, you bring the evidence.  Believing it or not is up to your audience.

Again, no one made you start this thread.  No has really has to engage in anything.

With regard to regularizing the labor, no one has shown that labor will behave in the exact same manner once regularized.  For all you know, regularizing it will change its behavior to the point of rejigging all economic equations.[/quote]

Lol. I brought the evidence. Reams of links.  When I posted them the response was "too many links."  You guys would be so funny, if you weren't so pitiful (and malevolent). [/quote]

Allright then.  This thread has gone on for 19+ pages.  I estimate the number of minds you have swayed to be below one.  There you go with people being rational actors, expending their energies into a fruitless exercise.

You haven't brought any evidence that favors unskilled immigration over skilled.

You haven't brought any evidence that regularizing illegal labor will not change its economic behavior - for all you know, regularizing will bring its rates up to the point of changing its economics.

You haven't explained the validity of studies on shadow populations and how this type of research is necessarily driven by theories and assumptions, not pure data.

And along the way you managed to alienate the poster whose quality of life was affected by illegal migrants by dismissing his concerns as irrelevant.

All in all, I say excellent job.  Carry on.  If you are that productive in your day job...[/quote]

I brought all that evidence, and more. All you brought is fact-free assertions and the fact that[b] you don't like immigrants. [/b][/quote]

Please don’t be disingenuous.

I’m the PP who you’ve been dismissive towards.

I’m the child of legal immigrants and have multiple family members who have immigrated here legally.

I have no problem with legal immigration and legal immigrants.  I absolutely do not like ILLEGAL immigration.  You (and the Democrats) do a fantastic job conflating the two) but hopefully enough Americans recognize that there is a difference.  [/quote]

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