First day drop off -- MD tags

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've only ever lived in DC and my kid goes to a DC charter school. Every student gets a home visit so in addition to all the paperwork, the teachers have literally been to my house,

However, my mom lives in Silver Spring. Because I work, my kid has an after school babysitter who lives in MD too. Honestly people, you need to learn to relax. You are not detectives. You have no idea.

Let me guess OP, these families you suspect are a different race than you...

Same for our family, but you can meet at a public place; school, library etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

There's no "primary" residency requirement for at public schools in DC. There is only a need to prove that the enrolling parent lives in DC and pays taxes at that address through real estate, payroll or utilities. There are scores of parents with rented residence, shared custody, custodial arrangements with extended family, foster children, children whose parents are dead or under supervision...the number of legitimate possibilities exceeds the number of made up presumptions trotted out in this thread AND, as a few have pointed out, cheaters are getting caught. It's simply not that easy to cheat OSSE's proof of residency.

In the 80's and 90's? Yeah, people cheated because policymakers didn't give a shit about the people left to rot in the pockets of concentrated poverty that they'd created. Now, obviously, there's an interest in protecting the expanded tax base that's filling those pockets so the rules have changed and enforcement is stringent.

What's more obvious is that the caterwauling that's going on here is primarily about getting "undesirables" out of schools and neighborhoods. References to "old timers", churchgoers and PG county make that crystal clear because everyone knows that the demographics for those groups are entirely black. No need to call it racist because you know what it is and keep typing it out.

Ironically, it's the stupid speculation about black people cheating that provides cover for white people who are much more likely to have the means to do it.

Exactly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, don't lock. Not sure why DC doesn't check car registrations. New parents at our school previously lived in neighborhood, moved, and have returned. We asked them where are you living? They looked at us and asked why we were asking? I said that I noticed that your BMW has MD tags.. They almost shit. Basically, they work at IMF or WB and were mission and are now back living in Md. They definitely avoided me this morning.

Did you report them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

There's no "primary" residency requirement for at public schools in DC. There is only a need to prove that the enrolling parent lives in DC and pays taxes at that address through real estate, payroll or utilities. There are scores of parents with rented residence, shared custody, custodial arrangements with extended family, foster children, children whose parents are dead or under supervision...the number of legitimate possibilities exceeds the number of made up presumptions trotted out in this thread AND, as a few have pointed out, cheaters are getting caught. It's simply not that easy to cheat OSSE's proof of residency.

In the 80's and 90's? Yeah, people cheated because policymakers didn't give a shit about the people left to rot in the pockets of concentrated poverty that they'd created. Now, obviously, there's an interest in protecting the expanded tax base that's filling those pockets so the rules have changed and enforcement is stringent.

What's more obvious is that the caterwauling that's going on here is primarily about getting "undesirables" out of schools and neighborhoods. References to "old timers", churchgoers and PG county make that crystal clear because everyone knows that the demographics for those groups are entirely black. No need to call it racist because you know what it is and keep typing it out.

Ironically, it's the stupid speculation about black people cheating that provides cover for white people who are much more likely to have the means to do it.

Exactly!

At my EOTP dual language school, it's the Hispanics who are breaking the law. Serveral Md plates on a daily basis and they aren't the nannies vehicles. I was told before that it's easier to register/get a license in Md for this racial group.

[Anonymous]

Cheaters gonna cheat....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

There's no "primary" residency requirement for at public schools in DC. There is only a need to prove that the enrolling parent lives in DC and pays taxes at that address through real estate, payroll or utilities. There are scores of parents with rented residence, shared custody, custodial arrangements with extended family, foster children, children whose parents are dead or under supervision...the number of legitimate possibilities exceeds the number of made up presumptions trotted out in this thread AND, as a few have pointed out, cheaters are getting caught. It's simply not that easy to cheat OSSE's proof of residency.

In the 80's and 90's? Yeah, people cheated because policymakers didn't give a shit about the people left to rot in the pockets of concentrated poverty that they'd created. Now, obviously, there's an interest in protecting the expanded tax base that's filling those pockets so the rules have changed and enforcement is stringent.

What's more obvious is that the caterwauling that's going on here is primarily about getting "undesirables" out of schools and neighborhoods. References to "old timers", churchgoers and PG county make that crystal clear because everyone knows that the demographics for those groups are entirely black. No need to call it racist because you know what it is and keep typing it out.

Ironically, it's the stupid speculation about black people cheating that provides cover for white people who are much more likely to have the means to do it.

Exactly!

At my EOTP dual language school, it's the Hispanics who are breaking the law. Serveral Md plates on a daily basis and they aren't the nannies vehicles. I was told before that it's easier to register/get a license in Md for this racial group.

I was just thinking about exactly this issue. Especially now that the neighborhood is filling up with families willing to attend the school but somehow they're now simultaneously concerned that their kid will be one of two English speakers in their classroom, but also that they might not even get in. It might be, there also, a case of the school's administration turning a blind eye, because it has over time created a school whose mission is to educate the ELL population, and they think it's what they do best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

There's no "primary" residency requirement for at public schools in DC. There is only a need to prove that the enrolling parent lives in DC and pays taxes at that address through real estate, payroll or utilities. There are scores of parents with rented residence, shared custody, custodial arrangements with extended family, foster children, children whose parents are dead or under supervision...the number of legitimate possibilities exceeds the number of made up presumptions trotted out in this thread AND, as a few have pointed out, cheaters are getting caught. It's simply not that easy to cheat OSSE's proof of residency.

In the 80's and 90's? Yeah, people cheated because policymakers didn't give a shit about the people left to rot in the pockets of concentrated poverty that they'd created. Now, obviously, there's an interest in protecting the expanded tax base that's filling those pockets so the rules have changed and enforcement is stringent.

What's more obvious is that the caterwauling that's going on here is primarily about getting "undesirables" out of schools and neighborhoods. References to "old timers", churchgoers and PG county make that crystal clear because everyone knows that the demographics for those groups are entirely black. No need to call it racist because you know what it is and keep typing it out.

Ironically, it's the stupid speculation about black people cheating that provides cover for white people who are much more likely to have the means to do it.

Exactly!

At my EOTP dual language school, it's the Hispanics who are breaking the law. Serveral Md plates on a daily basis and they aren't the nannies vehicles. I was told before that it's easier to register/get a license in Md for this racial group.

I was just thinking about exactly this issue. Especially now that the neighborhood is filling up with families willing to attend the school but somehow they're now simultaneously concerned that their kid will be one of two English speakers in their classroom, but also that they might not even get in. It might be, there also, a case of the school's administration turning a blind eye, because it has over time created a school whose mission is to educate the ELL population, and they think it's what they do best.

Which EOTP dual language school(s) are we talking about? Some of them have long waiting lists, even IB waitlisted for PK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

There's no "primary" residency requirement for at public schools in DC. There is only a need to prove that the enrolling parent lives in DC and pays taxes at that address through real estate, payroll or utilities. There are scores of parents with rented residence, shared custody, custodial arrangements with extended family, foster children, children whose parents are dead or under supervision...the number of legitimate possibilities exceeds the number of made up presumptions trotted out in this thread AND, as a few have pointed out, cheaters are getting caught. It's simply not that easy to cheat OSSE's proof of residency.

In the 80's and 90's? Yeah, people cheated because policymakers didn't give a shit about the people left to rot in the pockets of concentrated poverty that they'd created. Now, obviously, there's an interest in protecting the expanded tax base that's filling those pockets so the rules have changed and enforcement is stringent.

What's more obvious is that the caterwauling that's going on here is primarily about getting "undesirables" out of schools and neighborhoods. References to "old timers", churchgoers and PG county make that crystal clear because everyone knows that the demographics for those groups are entirely black. No need to call it racist because you know what it is and keep typing it out.

Ironically, it's the stupid speculation about black people cheating that provides cover for white people who are much more likely to have the means to do it.

Exactly!

At my EOTP dual language school, it's the Hispanics who are breaking the law. Serveral Md plates on a daily basis and they aren't the nannies vehicles. I was told before that it's easier to register/get a license in Md for this racial group.

I was just thinking about exactly this issue. Especially now that the neighborhood is filling up with families willing to attend the school but somehow they're now simultaneously concerned that their kid will be one of two English speakers in their classroom, but also that they might not even get in. It might be, there also, a case of the school's administration turning a blind eye, because it has over time created a school whose mission is to educate the ELL population, and they think it's what they do best.

At my EOTP dual language school, I wasn't allowed to enroll my kid because my drivers license showed the same local address as my car registration, but the car was registered in my husband's name. How about a utility in my name printed out from the internet since we're a paperless household? Nope, it has to be a bill that went through the mail. They wouldn't even accept a W-2 form.

After filling out all the forms and taking off half a day of work, I had to re-do everything in husband's name and HE had to take off work to enroll. And I have to say that the office staff person was a real asshole about it. She wouldn't allow me to just re-submit the enrollment form, I had to re-do everything that had my signature on it.

[Anonymous]

I am really glad there are some other voices of reason on this thread, because I was starting to think everyone here was a paranoid asshole.

And then of course that lady chimed in with the comment about Hispanics and how "they" get driver's licenses easier in maryland. Seriously. Why are you people even IN DC? Shouldn't you be cowering in Vienna or Loudon or Potomoc?

You know what I do think? And what this thread has decided for me is worth fighting for? Employees of DC publics and charters being given the right to enroll their children, no matter where their residence. Because seriously, DC isn't even a state. You pay LESS taxes than the pg folk you disperage. And I know... you've assured us all that you never leave district borders for any reason whatsoever, and therefore roads, railways, libraries, and interstates in VA and Md mean nothing to you... but I think you are full of shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

There's no "primary" residency requirement for at public schools in DC. There is only a need to prove that the enrolling parent lives in DC and pays taxes at that address through real estate, payroll or utilities. There are scores of parents with rented residence, shared custody, custodial arrangements with extended family, foster children, children whose parents are dead or under supervision...the number of legitimate possibilities exceeds the number of made up presumptions trotted out in this thread AND, as a few have pointed out, cheaters are getting caught. It's simply not that easy to cheat OSSE's proof of residency.

In the 80's and 90's? Yeah, people cheated because policymakers didn't give a shit about the people left to rot in the pockets of concentrated poverty that they'd created. Now, obviously, there's an interest in protecting the expanded tax base that's filling those pockets so the rules have changed and enforcement is stringent.

What's more obvious is that the caterwauling that's going on here is primarily about getting "undesirables" out of schools and neighborhoods. References to "old timers", churchgoers and PG county make that crystal clear because everyone knows that the demographics for those groups are entirely black. No need to call it racist because you know what it is and keep typing it out.

Ironically, it's the stupid speculation about black people cheating that provides cover for white people who are much more likely to have the means to do it.

Exactly!

At my EOTP dual language school, it's the Hispanics who are breaking the law. Serveral Md plates on a daily basis and they aren't the nannies vehicles. I was told before that it's easier to register/get a license in Md for this racial group.

I was just thinking about exactly this issue. Especially now that the neighborhood is filling up with families willing to attend the school but somehow they're now simultaneously concerned that their kid will be one of two English speakers in their classroom, but also that they might not even get in. It might be, there also, a case of the school's administration turning a blind eye, because it has over time created a school whose mission is to educate the ELL population, and they think it's what they do best.

At my EOTP dual language school, I wasn't allowed to enroll my kid because my drivers license showed the same local address as my car registration, but the car was registered in my husband's name. How about a utility in my name printed out from the internet since we're a paperless household? Nope, it has to be a bill that went through the mail. They wouldn't even accept a W-2 form.

After filling out all the forms and taking off half a day of work, I had to re-do everything in husband's name and HE had to take off work to enroll. And I have to say that the office staff person was a real asshole about it. She wouldn't allow me to just re-submit the enrollment form, I had to re-do everything that had my signature on it.

This is why I think that people should be relatively sure that they know someone is cheating, and not grandma dropping kids, homeless and staying with family in MD, foster parent, nanny etc . . . before you report them. DCPS and OSSE manage to make everything involving paperwork a pain in the neck. To say "well it's not a big deal for a family to prove that they are in DC, so people shouldn't mind if I report them" is ridiculous when you consider the craziness that is DC bureaucracy.

I once tried to go swim at Wilson and realized that I forgot my license. I figured they'd let me swim anyway, because I'm in the category that paid the highest rate (live in MD, not a student or a senior), but they turned me away because I couldn't prove which category I belonged to. The possibility that maybe I was actually really old, or lived in DC, and was trying to cheat DC INTO the out of state fee was just too risky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am really glad there are some other voices of reason on this thread, because I was starting to think everyone here was a paranoid asshole.

And then of course that lady chimed in with the comment about Hispanics and how "they" get driver's licenses easier in maryland. Seriously. Why are you people even IN DC? Shouldn't you be cowering in Vienna or Loudon or Potomoc?

You know what I do think? And what this thread has decided for me is worth fighting for? Employees of DC publics and charters being given the right to enroll their children, no matter where their residence. Because seriously, DC isn't even a state. You pay LESS taxes than the pg folk you disperage. And I know... you've assured us all that you never leave district borders for any reason whatsoever, and therefore roads, railways, libraries, and interstates in VA and Md mean nothing to you... but I think you are full of shit.

Really?

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/check-taxes-in-your-state.aspx

[Anonymous]

Yes, really. MD has much higher property taxes than dc. For the rest? I don't know. I live in dc. I know we paid a ton more taxes than any of you in my previous state though. Which is another reason I can't abide the whinge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am really glad there are some other voices of reason on this thread, because I was starting to think everyone here was a paranoid asshole.

And then of course that lady chimed in with the comment about Hispanics and how "they" get driver's licenses easier in maryland. Seriously. Why are you people even IN DC? Shouldn't you be cowering in Vienna or Loudon or Potomoc?

You know what I do think? And what this thread has decided for me is worth fighting for? Employees of DC publics and charters being given the right to enroll their children, no matter where their residence. Because seriously, DC isn't even a state. You pay LESS taxes than the pg folk you disperage. And I know... you've assured us all that you never leave district borders for any reason whatsoever, and therefore roads, railways, libraries, and interstates in VA and Md mean nothing to you... but I think you are full of shit.

If we had a commuter tax I'd be glad to let anyone who worked in DC enroll their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
And then of course that lady chimed in with the comment about Hispanics and how "they" get driver's licenses easier in maryland. Seriously. Why are you people even IN DC? Shouldn't you be cowering in Vienna or Loudon or Potomoc?

Are kidding? Vienna and Loudon are full of Hispanics.

[Anonymous]

Vienna is incredibly diverse, I doubt that PP has ever even been there.