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It keeps getting weirder...
malaysia airforce said it was going in the opposite direction towards a small island...100 miles off course in opposite direction http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday. If correct, these are ominous signs that increasingly call into question whether someone in the cockpit might have deliberately steered the plane away from its intended destination, a former U.S. aviation investigator said. [ Edited to comply with copyright laws. ] |
Anonymous
Oh man: "After a while, Sarmento flipped off the projector and pushed away from the table in his chair. “Ninety percent of the passengers had fractures in the arms and legs,” he said. “Many of them also had trauma in the chest, in the abdomen, in the cranium. We didn’t find anybody burned.” He leaned forward in his seat and wrapped his arms around his knees. “They were like this,” he said, holding the crash position and looking into my eyes. Then he sat up quickly and held his hand flat above the table. “When they hit,” he said, slamming it down, “fractures. I believe the pilot tried to land in the water. This is consistent with the fractures." |
Anonymous
Agree. I can't imagine how utterly terrifying it must have been. I hope something in the human mind shuts off/down in situations like that. |
Anonymous
This is so odd. Why would the Malaysian government let all these planes and ships and resources search in the wrong area if they knew of this new location on radar. |
Anonymous
It does. It's called shock. Just because some may have survived the AF impact does not mean they were cognizant/aware in its aftermath. |
Anonymous
I don't think they could have been conscious, even if a few of them were still breathing. I'm sure they went quickly after the 3 minutes of hell. |
Anonymous
But does your body go into shock when you're trying to "protect" your children? I can't imagine just shutting down, but instead feeling a tremendous helpless desire to protect my kids but not being able to. I would have to stay cognizant for them. |
Anonymous
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The Air France pilots didn't try to land in the water. They were struggling to correct the plane, per the voice recordings, but they didn't have the altitude and hit the ocean.
The Air Malaysia case has been odd from the start with conflicting times about last radio contact that first day. |
Anonymous
If you think Western governments are bad. Combine third world incompetence with Asian "face saving" you have this totally botched operation. |
Anonymous
It's not a decision. It's a bio-physical response to hitting the ocean at over 100 miles an hour. Not a lot different than driving a care into a phone pole. |
Anonymous
If you had a serious blow to the head or major injury, staying aware is probably not an option. I'd bet the g forces alone were enough to cause brain injuries and death. |
Anonymous
| From what I had read the passengers wouldn't have known air France was crashing because it descended essentially straight down (not in a nose dive but flat) over seceral minutes and it was dark out. I'm surprised to read passengers were in a brace for impact position. Everything I've read suggested passengers wouldn't have known they were crashing til they hit. |
Anonymous
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theory making the rounds on twitter
MH370 - what happened A plausible explanation for why MH370 "disappeared" and why we still can't find it. MARCH 10, 2014 My recommendation to the NTSB I sent this email to Peter Knudson (Media Relations) at the NTSB, and he will consider if its worthy of forwarding onto investigators. At the end of this email, I’ve listed sensible and low-cost recommendations to best aid recovery efforts. =================================== Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation? A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013...2013-23456.htm SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane. Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based - GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion. A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded. Chain of events: Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems. Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes. If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522) Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots. (VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.) With incapacitated pilots, the 777 could continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route. Using the Inertial Reference System (gyroscope based), the plane could navigate without needing GPS. Other thoughts: The plane was equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know). This explains why 19 families signed a statement alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response. When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted. Note: 777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. Also remember that this flight was a red-eye, most passengers would be trying to sleep, masking alarming effects of oxygen deprivation. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact. Conclusion: This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously. The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone. [UPDATE: Basically, it could be “anywhere”, and we need to use any available radar records to help figure it out. This is where the Vietnamese/Malaysia civilian and military radars will help.] Recommendations: • Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft. Per the latest reported news, the Straight of Malacca is a possibility. • Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS) data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google. • Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator. • Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space. __________________ |
Anonymous
| PP, are you posting copyrighted material? Your link doesn't work. |
Anonymous
The quote on the previous page describing the last few minutes said the plane was making all kinds of maneuvers and twists. i'm sure the passengers were aware. |