GT/AAP Appeals WISC Scores

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Anonymous wrote:I can afford the Wisc, but I know people living from paycheck to paycheck (no savings) with all of the income covering expenses.

When people are living this way, they have bigger problems than just the WISC. What if their car breaks down? That could easily cost $400 like WISC, or more. What if they need a new HVAC system at $5,000+? Would they then have no car or no heat/AC? Somehow they would find a way to scrape together the needed dollars. Even bigger financial losses could happen. What if someone loses their job or they have unexpected medical expenses? It is always best to live below your means and have a cushion of emergency savings. Look for things you can cut: Cheaper housing, less eating out, more economical cable and phone plans. We don't need all the stuff we have, we don't need to do all the stuff we do. Focus on what really matters.

what? No +1?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

Not the PP but I have known people appealing who talked with the school's AART first, hoping to get some guidance.

Not the PP or OP either, but I faced exactly the same situation. My DC had great scores (was in the pool) but didn't make it in the first round due to a low GBRS. DC took the WISC and had great scores as well. Our first thought was to connect with the AART and get some advice and guidance. We ended up spending an hour listening to why our DC was not AAP material, and why the AART believes test scores can be misleading. We are appealing, hoping that DC makes it based on the new WISC scores. Bottom line, many of us think that the first person to talk to with any questions or issues related to AAP placement is the AART. And from what I'm reading here, it seems that many of us get nothing of the kind from the AART, which rather sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

hmmm ... I was under the impression from reading this board that WISC 150 was pretty much automatic on appeal. Not so, then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can afford the Wisc, but I know people living from paycheck to paycheck (no savings) with all of the income covering expenses.

When people are living this way, they have bigger problems than just the WISC. What if their car breaks down? That could easily cost $400 like WISC, or more. What if they need a new HVAC system at $5,000+? Would they then have no car or no heat/AC? Somehow they would find a way to scrape together the needed dollars. Even bigger financial losses could happen. What if someone loses their job or they have unexpected medical expenses? It is always best to live below your means and have a cushion of emergency savings. Look for things you can cut: Cheaper housing, less eating out, more economical cable and phone plans. We don't need all the stuff we have, we don't need to do all the stuff we do. Focus on what really matters.

+1

Totally agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?

[Anonymous]

^Sorry, should have said CogAT and not FxAT since it would have been done in a previous year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?[/quote]

what difference would this make?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

hmmm ... I was under the impression from reading this board that WISC 150 was pretty much automatic on appeal. Not so, then?

+1 I also thought the same that FSIQ of 150+ together with subscores 140+ would be acceptable. That's what I have been reading on these posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?

+1, I am in the same situation and hopeful to win denial. We are #24 on the list WISC 152 with VCI 144, PRI 139 and have been hopeful to win with the GBRS=9!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?

What difference would this make?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?[/quote]

what difference would this make?

The WISC seems to have been discounted, so I am wondering why. In appeals threads from past years, even FSIQ below 130 can get in, so why not WISC 150+? It makes no sense. If the WISC was not from a stereotypical accepted place like GMU or Diana Dahlgren, I would consider having it redone at a typical place and apply again to AAP. Not sure how old the DC is now but perhaps tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition could still be saved. Dr. Dahlgren could advise on what may have happened with the application.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?[/quote]

what difference would this make?

The WISC seems to have been discounted, so I am wondering why. In appeals threads from past years, even FSIQ below 130 can get in, so why not WISC 150+? It makes no sense. If the WISC was not from a stereotypical accepted place like GMU or Diana Dahlgren, I would consider having it redone at a typical place and apply again to AAP. Not sure how old the DC is now but perhaps tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition could still be saved. Dr. Dahlgren could advise on what may have happened with the application.

Are you saying only wisc taken at GMU or Dr. Dahlgren is acceptable? This makes no sense. WISC is a standard test and psychologists have license it's not only one dr. Who can conduct the test! If this is true then something it terribly wrong, is it county or some kind of mafia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very frustrating when you know as a parent that your kid has potential, but can't get through the system for whatever reason.

My child scored very superior is all of the WISC sub scores, ended up with IQ=154 and all subtests in 19's expect for two 18's.

The GBRS in the original screen was low at 9. When I met the AART for appeal, she was basically dismissing the WISC and the evaluation report of the psychologist and was stuck in the low GBRS grade. He ended up not winning the appeal either, still don't know if the AART had a say or not since in the posts I always see kids with above 150 and 140 in subtests get it. I eneded up putting him in private gifted school and he couldn't be happier and doing better. I am here for my DD pretty much going through the same thing. I have appealed with high WISC and low GBRS. I know all those teachers, AART, principal and committee was wrong about son and the psychologist was right. I may end up doing the same for DD. Ultimately, for us the price to make our kids excel went way beyond paying $400 for WISC since we believe in it. I say it's a personal choice and no one should tell you what's right or wrong.

Why did you talk to AART? Apeal has nothing to do with the kid's local school. Did you do any homework before you appealed? Sorry but I cannot help but puzzled.

To get more information about appeal, and also ask for his file. No, I didn't do my homework, I guess. He's in honor's class each year in the private gifted school. I don't know if the AART had anything to do with his denial. I am just guessing since she was so dismissal. We didn't miss any deadline and his report was complete with license...

That is so shocking. What were NNAT and FxAT? Just offhand, as a parent who knows no more than any other, I wouldn't think that the AART could have played any role at all in your DC's denial. Was there anything whatsoever you can think of in DC's screening file that would have been off-putting to the committee? Terrible grades? Any really horrible behavior by DC in school? No multipage rant by parent in appeal materials? Not trying to say that there is anything negative about you or your DC, but it makes no sense at all for WISC 150+ not to be in. Where was the WISC done, if you do not mind saying?[/quote]

what difference would this make?

The WISC seems to have been discounted, so I am wondering why. In appeals threads from past years, even FSIQ below 130 can get in, so why not WISC 150+? It makes no sense. If the WISC was not from a stereotypical accepted place like GMU or Diana Dahlgren, I would consider having it redone at a typical place and apply again to AAP. Not sure how old the DC is now but perhaps tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition could still be saved. Dr. Dahlgren could advise on what may have happened with the application.

Are you saying only wisc taken at GMU or Dr. Dahlgren is acceptable? This makes no sense. WISC is a standard test and psychologists have license it's not only one dr. Who can conduct the test! If this is true then something it terribly wrong, is it county or some kind of mafia?

No, definitely not. But if there is something unusual about the tester, then I would consider going completely mainstream. Such a superior WISC being discounted is extremely odd, so I would just wonder why. Was the report very sloppy and unprofessional? Did the tester seem to be a relative of the DC (same last name, saying "my nephew"). There must be a reason why this WISC was ignored by the committee and dismissed by the AART. The committee would not have known the DC and would not have had a personal vendetta against him.

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How does Dr. Dahlgren know so well about the AAP? Does she get the AAP appeals results (meaning she gets to who made it in or not) along with the local schools? She just seems to know much about what scores would make it in or not.