$100k fee for h1-b visas coming

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Anonymous wrote:+1 for using visas for truly exceptional talent. That is not its present purpose though.

And +1 to allowing visas for those doing work it has proven almost impossible to find domestic labor for - this is largely seasonal and ag-related work.

For other jobs like tech, nursing, teachers it’s about pay, work conditions, and training. We should not be allowing visas for all these the way we are.


+1 If visas are necessary for these jobs, then the authorized visa holders should not be beholden to a particular company. They can go wherever they want for the given authorized time period. Companies can pay a labor pool fee.
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Companies work covertly with the government to keeping their interviews secret while setting wage and labor categories? Categories almost like Unions except we have no representation in the matter. PERMs and LCAs if the reader needs to chatGPT it.

It's almost as if they are being hostile towards us.

Is there anything they can say that will end well for them at this point?

Oh and by the way, when were our immigrant coworkers going to tell us they were doing that?

And you want assurance capitalist profits will continue. Not a chance, we want a pound of flesh.

Eh what do you have to say for yourselves? Anything you have in mind you would like to say as you leave the country, maybe like a "oops sorry" or something.
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Anonymous wrote:+1 for using visas for truly exceptional talent. That is not its present purpose though.

And +1 to allowing visas for those doing work it has proven almost impossible to find domestic labor for - this is largely seasonal and ag-related work.

For other jobs like tech, nursing, teachers it’s about pay, work conditions, and training. We should not be allowing visas for all these the way we are.


+1 If visas are necessary for these jobs, then the authorized visa holders should not be beholden to a particular company. They can go wherever they want for the given authorized time period. Companies can pay a labor pool fee.


Not a good idea. There's a reason why the I-20 is tied to a particular school and student attendance is required. Imagine all the ghost jobs that would suddenly exist.
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Anonymous wrote:Companies work covertly with the government to keeping their interviews secret while setting wage and labor categories? Categories almost like Unions except we have no representation in the matter. PERMs and LCAs if the reader needs to chatGPT it.

It's almost as if they are being hostile towards us.

Is there anything they can say that will end well for them at this point?

Oh and by the way, when were our immigrant coworkers going to tell us they were doing that?

And you want assurance capitalist profits will continue. Not a chance, we want a pound of flesh.

Eh what do you have to say for yourselves? Anything you have in mind you would like to say as you leave the country, maybe like a "oops sorry" or something.


It's almost like you phased into Donald Chump's brain while you wrote this. Are these explanations, questions you want answered, or rhetorical?
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Anonymous wrote:+1 for using visas for truly exceptional talent. That is not its present purpose though.

And +1 to allowing visas for those doing work it has proven almost impossible to find domestic labor for - this is largely seasonal and ag-related work.

For other jobs like tech, nursing, teachers it’s about pay, work conditions, and training. We should not be allowing visas for all these the way we are.


+1 If visas are necessary for these jobs, then the authorized visa holders should not be beholden to a particular company. They can go wherever they want for the given authorized time period. Companies can pay a labor pool fee.


Not a good idea. There's a reason why the I-20 is tied to a particular school and student attendance is required. Imagine all the ghost jobs that would suddenly exist.


You could easily require people to verify employment through payroll taxes or something like that.

If they go the certification route, it could maybe force the tech industry to create a more standardized way of measuring talent/skills. There's no reason this visa should exist for entry-level work.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.


Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.


It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.


Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?


If work is “off-shored” there will still be some sort of resulting product that would presumably then be imported back into the US for use. Perhaps as a simple example it would be a developer’s code. Wouldn’t this exist in some sort of file or in some sort of cloud storage? Why isn’t this sort of product being imported any different than a shoe, sofa, medication, etc. therefore subject to tariff?
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H1-b visas have been abused for years. My friends and I were talking about this in the early 90s. I hate Trump but fully support this policy.
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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.


Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.


It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.


Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?


He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.


Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha


Corporate executive, "These Americans are too socialist, I'm going to offshore to India or China."

Here is a summary of how Communists do it:

How China regulates its tech industry

China has a “state-capitalist” model. Private tech firms can be very large and innovative, but the Party keeps them under political discipline and economic control. Main tools:

Licensing and approvals: All major internet platforms must get government permits, operate under censorship rules, and share data with state agencies on request.

Anti-monopoly enforcement: Since late 2020 the State Administration for Market Regulation (SAMR) has used antitrust rules to break up or fine big platforms (Alibaba, Meituan, Tencent).

Data and cybersecurity laws: The Cybersecurity Law (2017), Data Security Law (2021) and Personal Information Protection Law (2021) give the state broad powers over how data is stored, transferred, and audited—especially for companies listing abroad.

Party committees inside firms: Large private companies are expected to host a Communist Party cell; in practice that gives regulators a line of sight into strategy.

Capital markets controls: IPOs and foreign listings can be halted or delayed if regulators think they threaten “national security” (as with Didi Chuxing’s NYSE listing).

So the tech sector is profitable, but it can’t operate as a purely private, independent sphere the way Silicon Valley companies do.

2️⃣ Executives who’ve been punished or disappeared

Since Xi Jinping came to power, a number of high-profile business figures have been investigated, detained or gone “missing” for weeks or months:

Jack Ma (Alibaba / Ant Group): After his October 2020 speech criticizing China’s financial regulators, the $37 billion Ant IPO was halted. Ma disappeared from public view for about 3 months, then reappeared in early 2021 but has kept a much lower profile. He wasn’t charged, but regulators forced Ant to restructure as a financial holding company and imposed record antitrust fines on Alibaba.

Colin Huang (Pinduoduo): Stepped down as chairman in 2021 amid the regulatory storm, though without public disciplinary action.

Sun Dawu (agriculture entrepreneur): Jailed for 18 years in 2021 for “picking quarrels” and illegal fundraising.

Bao Fan (China Renaissance investment banker): Disappeared for months in 2023, later confirmed to be assisting an investigation.

The pattern: if a business leader becomes too politically outspoken or a company’s activities threaten financial stability or Party priorities, regulators act quickly—sometimes with fines, sometimes with detentions.

3️⃣ Jack Ma and “running afoul” of the Party

Ma’s case is widely seen as a warning shot. He didn’t “oppose communism” directly; he criticized over-cautious regulators and praised risk-taking, which embarrassed the Party just before Ant’s IPO. The swift regulatory clampdown showed that:

No private entrepreneur, however famous, is beyond Party discipline.

Financial technology—because it can create systemic risk—will be treated like a quasi-banking sector under state control.

Since then, Ma has divested some holdings and stayed mostly abroad, but he remains free and retains some wealth.
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If the big companies can comply with Communist China's policies to make a profit, why can't they comply with our?

Why big U.S. firms stay in China

Huge market: China is the world’s second-largest economy and has hundreds of millions of middle-class consumers. Apple sells more iPhones in China than almost anywhere else.

Critical supply chains: Apple’s iPhones, Macs and AirPods are still largely assembled in China; Amazon’s supply chain and vendor base are heavily Chinese.

Managed partnerships: Foreign firms typically enter joint ventures with Chinese companies or create local subsidiaries so they can comply with licensing rules.

How they comply

Apple: Hosts Chinese users’ iCloud data on servers run by a state-owned partner (Guizhou-Cloud Big Data), removes apps when Beijing orders it, and follows Chinese content rules.

Amazon: Closed its domestic retail marketplace in 2019 but still runs AWS cloud services through a local partner, sells Kindle books, and sources huge volumes of goods from Chinese sellers for Amazon.com abroad.

Tesla: Built a wholly owned factory in Shanghai but had to negotiate local subsidies and data-storage rules.

Microsoft: Runs a censored version of LinkedIn (recently shut down) and has a joint venture for Azure in China.

The trade-off

They get access to China’s market and manufacturing base.

They accept restrictions on data, censorship, and sometimes intellectual-property transfer.

They have no political leverage if the government decides to change the rules; they either comply or risk losing access.
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Bill Clinton on illegal immigration.

1995. State of the Union.

Today’s Democratic party would call him a far-right extremist. CNN would say he’s a bigot.

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Anonymous wrote:We have always “stolen” the best and brightest from other countries and made them into Americans. It is in our DNA and has enormous value to the United States. 55% of America’s billion dollar startups have at least one immigrant founder. You want that creativity and drive being cultivated in China?

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/



In many cases the answer is yes. I think we should go so far as to develop a "capital to-go box" to encourage capitalism leave with them. 90% of these startups run by immigrants are literal "call the fire marshal" dumpster fires. They are totally abusive.


Let me put it another way. Immigrants are of no value to me. Wages, products they produce, research, spicy curry, yoga, you name it. Bottom line, they take up space consume public resources like roads and schools. They can't even carry a conversation on the weather. No, I don't like what 90% of corporations use immigrants for. Google, Amazon etc. We were fine without it. A great example is AI. There is no reason we needed to develop AI capabilities this fast. Our society is not ready for it. A) If we had waited 5 or ten years, the computation would be better, it would take nearly so much energy. B) It would likely be of higher quality. C) People would have been introduced to it more gradually.

Here it is we are in a total AI bubble. It's kind of like the Spanish Empire when they invaded the New World and found(stole) all of that gold. They ended up going bankrupt numerous times. Same idea. Economically it just doesn't make sense to develop something like AI that quickly. Ah, but we have immigrants to do it for us, so let's do it.



Ok. So long as you recognize that companies like Google, Amazon etc is what pays for the standard of living of all Americans.

You are right about the AI being a bubble but the technology is being built right now. The race is on to monetize it. If we aren’t in the game, in 10 years we will be exporting from others. And the innovation center will have shifted from the United States. This will affect the wealth of your children and mine, regardless of what they choose to do.


Google and Amazon(not to mention Microsoft has been around for well before this.) were both established well before H-1B thank you very much. Here, here is some AI slop you want more of this. Do you think the dot.com bubble is related to the H-1B at all.

1️⃣ When were Google and Amazon founded?

Amazon was founded in 1994 (incorporated July 1994, website launched 1995).

Google was incorporated in 1998.

So by 2001, both companies were already well established, not being “founded” then.

2️⃣ H-1B visa caps in the early 2000s

The H-1B visa program had a statutory cap that changed several times. The numbers below are for the regular cap (not including exemptions for universities, nonprofits, etc.):

Fiscal Year Regular Cap Actual Petitions Approved
FY 1999 115,000 ~133,000 issued total*
FY 2000 115,000 ~136,000 issued total*
FY 2001 195,000 ~163,600 issued total*
FY 2002 195,000 ~161,100 issued total*
FY 2003 195,000 ~173,900 issued total*

*Total includes cap-exempt cases.

The cap jumped from 65,000 (the old baseline) to 115,000 (FY1999-2000) and then to 195,000 (FY2001-2003) due to the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21). After FY2004 it reverted back to 65,000 (plus the 20,000 U.S. master’s cap added later).

3️⃣ Takeaway

In 2001, the H-1B cap was at its historic high — 195,000 visas. Roughly 160k–170k were actually issued that year. This was during the dot-com boom when companies like Amazon and Google were hiring heavily.

Would you like me to show how that 195,000 cap compares to today’s cap (65,000 + 20,000 master’s)?


Are you seriously arguing that foreign talent was not critical to building Google and Amazon as powerhouses in the United States?

Let’s look at the first employees at Google for example. Founded by Larry Page (born in the USA) and Sergei Brin (born in Russia). Of the first 20 employees, here are five that some article says were the most consequential hires. We can look at all 20 if you want.

https://theorg.com/iterate/five-key-hires-to-googles-success

Larry Silverstein. born to an American family (I think). But trained for his PhD by an Indian American who he credits much of his understanding of coding form.

Heather Cairns. I think she is from an American family. And she is very important but notice she is HR and not tech.

Urs Hölzle. Immigrant. Born in Switzerland.

Harry Cheung. Son of Chinese immigrants. Raised in California but I don’t know where he was born.

Georges Harik Immigrant. From Lebanon.

How do you know up front that these are the people you need around? You don’t. You can’t pick them as post docs or PhD students to Stanford and MiT who may have been on an H1B as different from other post docs you refuse H1Bs to. Instead you create an ecosystem with the best and brightest and some will rise to creating huge value for all of us Americans. This is how our innovation system has always worked.



what you are listing is the end of the bell curve.

the reality is the vast majority of H1Bs are low skilled entry level and are hired because they are cheaper.

Newly released gov't records show the vast majority of H-1Bs approvals are for entry & junior level jobs

83% at Wage Levels I & II -> Way below market salaries

These jobs can and should be filled by unemployed & underemployed American graduates. But the investor class demands cheap disposable labor.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-18473.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:We have always “stolen” the best and brightest from other countries and made them into Americans. It is in our DNA and has enormous value to the United States. 55% of America’s billion dollar startups have at least one immigrant founder. You want that creativity and drive being cultivated in China?

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/



In many cases the answer is yes. I think we should go so far as to develop a "capital to-go box" to encourage capitalism leave with them. 90% of these startups run by immigrants are literal "call the fire marshal" dumpster fires. They are totally abusive.


Let me put it another way. Immigrants are of no value to me. Wages, products they produce, research, spicy curry, yoga, you name it. Bottom line, they take up space consume public resources like roads and schools. They can't even carry a conversation on the weather. No, I don't like what 90% of corporations use immigrants for. Google, Amazon etc. We were fine without it. A great example is AI. There is no reason we needed to develop AI capabilities this fast. Our society is not ready for it. A) If we had waited 5 or ten years, the computation would be better, it would take nearly so much energy. B) It would likely be of higher quality. C) People would have been introduced to it more gradually.

Here it is we are in a total AI bubble. It's kind of like the Spanish Empire when they invaded the New World and found(stole) all of that gold. They ended up going bankrupt numerous times. Same idea. Economically it just doesn't make sense to develop something like AI that quickly. Ah, but we have immigrants to do it for us, so let's do it.



Ok. So long as you recognize that companies like Google, Amazon etc is what pays for the standard of living of all Americans.

You are right about the AI being a bubble but the technology is being built right now. The race is on to monetize it. If we aren’t in the game, in 10 years we will be exporting from others. And the innovation center will have shifted from the United States. This will affect the wealth of your children and mine, regardless of what they choose to do.


Google and Amazon(not to mention Microsoft has been around for well before this.) were both established well before H-1B thank you very much. Here, here is some AI slop you want more of this. Do you think the dot.com bubble is related to the H-1B at all.

1️⃣ When were Google and Amazon founded?

Amazon was founded in 1994 (incorporated July 1994, website launched 1995).

Google was incorporated in 1998.

So by 2001, both companies were already well established, not being “founded” then.

2️⃣ H-1B visa caps in the early 2000s

The H-1B visa program had a statutory cap that changed several times. The numbers below are for the regular cap (not including exemptions for universities, nonprofits, etc.):

Fiscal Year Regular Cap Actual Petitions Approved
FY 1999 115,000 ~133,000 issued total*
FY 2000 115,000 ~136,000 issued total*
FY 2001 195,000 ~163,600 issued total*
FY 2002 195,000 ~161,100 issued total*
FY 2003 195,000 ~173,900 issued total*

*Total includes cap-exempt cases.

The cap jumped from 65,000 (the old baseline) to 115,000 (FY1999-2000) and then to 195,000 (FY2001-2003) due to the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21). After FY2004 it reverted back to 65,000 (plus the 20,000 U.S. master’s cap added later).

3️⃣ Takeaway

In 2001, the H-1B cap was at its historic high — 195,000 visas. Roughly 160k–170k were actually issued that year. This was during the dot-com boom when companies like Amazon and Google were hiring heavily.

Would you like me to show how that 195,000 cap compares to today’s cap (65,000 + 20,000 master’s)?


Are you seriously arguing that foreign talent was not critical to building Google and Amazon as powerhouses in the United States?

Let’s look at the first employees at Google for example. Founded by Larry Page (born in the USA) and Sergei Brin (born in Russia). Of the first 20 employees, here are five that some article says were the most consequential hires. We can look at all 20 if you want.

https://theorg.com/iterate/five-key-hires-to-googles-success

Larry Silverstein. born to an American family (I think). But trained for his PhD by an Indian American who he credits much of his understanding of coding form.

Heather Cairns. I think she is from an American family. And she is very important but notice she is HR and not tech.

Urs Hölzle. Immigrant. Born in Switzerland.

Harry Cheung. Son of Chinese immigrants. Raised in California but I don’t know where he was born.

Georges Harik Immigrant. From Lebanon.

How do you know up front that these are the people you need around? You don’t. You can’t pick them as post docs or PhD students to Stanford and MiT who may have been on an H1B as different from other post docs you refuse H1Bs to. Instead you create an ecosystem with the best and brightest and some will rise to creating huge value for all of us Americans. This is how our innovation system has always worked.



what you are listing is the end of the bell curve.

the reality is the vast majority of H1Bs are low skilled entry level and are hired because they are cheaper.

Newly released gov't records show the vast majority of H-1Bs approvals are for entry & junior level jobs

83% at Wage Levels I & II -> Way below market salaries

These jobs can and should be filled by unemployed & underemployed American graduates. But the investor class demands cheap disposable labor.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-18473.pdf



Level I wage rates are assigned to job offers for beginning level employees who have a basic understanding of the occupation. These employees perform routine tasks that require limited, if any, exercise of judgment. The tasks provide experience and familiarization with the employer's methods, practices, and programs. The employees may perform higher level work for training and developmental purposes. These employees work under close supervision and receive specific instructions on required tasks and results expected. Their work is closely monitored and reviewed for accuracy.

Level II wage rates are assigned to job offers for employees who have attained, through education or experience, a good understanding of the occupation. These employees perform moderately complex tasks that require limited judgment. An indicator that the job request warrants a wage determination at Level II would be a requirement for years of education and/or experience that are generally required as described in the O*NET Job Zones.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/20/655.1308
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Newly released gov't records show the vast majority of H-1Bs approvals are for entry & junior level jobs

83% at Wage Levels I & II

Way below market salaries

These jobs can and should be filled by unemployed & underemployed American graduates.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-18473.pdf

comment here on proposed H1B changes -> https://www.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2025-0040-0001



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Anonymous wrote:Bill Clinton on illegal immigration.

1995. State of the Union.

Today’s Democratic party would call him a far-right extremist. CNN would say he’s a bigot.


I’m an Independent leaning Democrat and have been saying since the 90’s that immigration, both undocumented and documented H1B, were overwhelmingly against the American people. And yes, some of my more liberal friends would say, if I didn’t know you, I would think you’re a republican. Republicans have so many horrible policies and isms ingrained in them as a political party that even if you agree with them on some things, you can’t vote for them. The hate in the Republican Party is strong.
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Anonymous wrote:Newly released gov't records show the vast majority of H-1Bs approvals are for entry & junior level jobs

83% at Wage Levels I & II

Way below market salaries

These jobs can and should be filled by unemployed & underemployed American graduates.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-18473.pdf

comment here on proposed H1B changes -> https://www.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2025-0040-0001





I'm disappointed by it not being stratified only by wage. I don't trust the "LCA" process at all. I understand that the Trump admin is likely highly constrained by laws that Obama passed. Which is considered some of the best legislation money can buy. So, the 100K fee on h1-b entry is totally welcome.

So, here are the two areas I don't like. About the randomization process. A) It still relies on the LCA process which is highly gamed by employers. B) The employer isn't constrained in the numbers of job applicants they can submit. In the past they easily put forth multiple job positions for the same applicant. I believe they could just as easily find as many applicants say they want the same chance as a level IV applicant, they would just go out and find four applicants create four bona-fide jobs and submit. If they get one, next year they'll use the same three add another one.

I mean it might relieve some of the pressure to depress wages for the LCA, but I highly doubt employers will bump an employee up to a level IV when they can just submit applications for four level I. It may even make the application stuffing problem worse.

IMO they actually have to cap the number of level I petitions for this to make sense. Again, this is probably a no go from the Obama laws.
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