$100k fee for h1-b visas coming

[Anonymous]

+1 for using visas for truly exceptional talent. That is not its present purpose though.

And +1 to allowing visas for those doing work it has proven almost impossible to find domestic labor for - this is largely seasonal and ag-related work.

For other jobs like tech, nursing, teachers it’s about pay, work conditions, and training. We should not be allowing visas for all these the way we are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many people are misrepresenting what has happened.

Making H1Bs more expensive does not prevent their use for hiring immigrants with rare skills. It only prevents them from being used to prevent the employment of citizens for for mundane jobs.

I got that. Use H1B for unusual talent. That should be the intent.

How did we get to the point where the system is getting scammed like it is while American employees are getting thrown out into the streets of their own country by immigrant labor? Sure, let's give these high paying jobs to immigrants at the expense of highly trained, highly competent American men and women.

Where was the State Department when the system was getting scammed by South Asians and their cronies? Where was Congress when their constituents were getting replaced by these immigrants? Out to lunch is where they've been.

Why doesn't Trump hire Americans at his resorts? Hundreds applied to his resort in FL, but instead, he hired Eastern European white people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have always “stolen” the best and brightest from other countries and made them into Americans. It is in our DNA and has enormous value to the United States. 55% of America’s billion dollar startups have at least one immigrant founder. You want that creativity and drive being cultivated in China?

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/

In many cases the answer is yes. I think we should go so far as to develop a "capital to-go box" to encourage capitalism leave with them. 90% of these startups run by immigrants are literal "call the fire marshal" dumpster fires. They are totally abusive.

Let me put it another way. Immigrants are of no value to me. Wages, products they produce, research, spicy curry, yoga, you name it. Bottom line, they take up space consume public resources like roads and schools. They can't even carry a conversation on the weather. No, I don't like what 90% of corporations use immigrants for. Google, Amazon etc. We were fine without it. A great example is AI. There is no reason we needed to develop AI capabilities this fast. Our society is not ready for it. A) If we had waited 5 or ten years, the computation would be better, it would take nearly so much energy. B) It would likely be of higher quality. C) People would have been introduced to it more gradually.

Here it is we are in a total AI bubble. It's kind of like the Spanish Empire when they invaded the New World and found(stole) all of that gold. They ended up going bankrupt numerous times. Same idea. Economically it just doesn't make sense to develop something like AI that quickly. Ah, but we have immigrants to do it for us, so let's do it.

Ok. So long as you recognize that companies like Google, Amazon etc is what pays for the standard of living of all Americans.

You are right about the AI being a bubble but the technology is being built right now. The race is on to monetize it. If we aren’t in the game, in 10 years we will be exporting from others. And the innovation center will have shifted from the United States. This will affect the wealth of your children and mine, regardless of what they choose to do.

Google and Amazon(not to mention Microsoft has been around for well before this.) were both established well before H-1B thank you very much. Here, here is some AI slop you want more of this. Do you think the dot.com bubble is related to the H-1B at all.

1️⃣ When were Google and Amazon founded?

Amazon was founded in 1994 (incorporated July 1994, website launched 1995).

Google was incorporated in 1998.

So by 2001, both companies were already well established, not being “founded” then.

2️⃣ H-1B visa caps in the early 2000s

The H-1B visa program had a statutory cap that changed several times. The numbers below are for the regular cap (not including exemptions for universities, nonprofits, etc.):

Fiscal Year Regular Cap Actual Petitions Approved
FY 1999 115,000 ~133,000 issued total*
FY 2000 115,000 ~136,000 issued total*
FY 2001 195,000 ~163,600 issued total*
FY 2002 195,000 ~161,100 issued total*
FY 2003 195,000 ~173,900 issued total*

*Total includes cap-exempt cases.

The cap jumped from 65,000 (the old baseline) to 115,000 (FY1999-2000) and then to 195,000 (FY2001-2003) due to the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21). After FY2004 it reverted back to 65,000 (plus the 20,000 U.S. master’s cap added later).

3️⃣ Takeaway

In 2001, the H-1B cap was at its historic high — 195,000 visas. Roughly 160k–170k were actually issued that year. This was during the dot-com boom when companies like Amazon and Google were hiring heavily.

Would you like me to show how that 195,000 cap compares to today’s cap (65,000 + 20,000 master’s)?

Are you seriously arguing that foreign talent was not critical to building Google and Amazon as powerhouses in the United States?

Let’s look at the first employees at Google for example. Founded by Larry Page (born in the USA) and Sergei Brin (born in Russia). Of the first 20 employees, here are five that some article says were the most consequential hires. We can look at all 20 if you want.

https://theorg.com/iterate/five-key-hires-to-googles-success

Larry Silverstein. born to an American family (I think). But trained for his PhD by an Indian American who he credits much of his understanding of coding form.

Heather Cairns. I think she is from an American family. And she is very important but notice she is HR and not tech.

Urs Hölzle. Immigrant. Born in Switzerland.

Harry Cheung. Son of Chinese immigrants. Raised in California but I don’t know where he was born.

Georges Harik Immigrant. From Lebanon.

How do you know up front that these are the people you need around? You don’t. You can’t pick them as post docs or PhD students to Stanford and MiT who may have been on an H1B as different from other post docs you refuse H1Bs to. Instead you create an ecosystem with the best and brightest and some will rise to creating huge value for all of us Americans. This is how our innovation system has always worked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have always “stolen” the best and brightest from other countries and made them into Americans. It is in our DNA and has enormous value to the United States. 55% of America’s billion dollar startups have at least one immigrant founder. You want that creativity and drive being cultivated in China?

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/

In many cases the answer is yes. I think we should go so far as to develop a "capital to-go box" to encourage capitalism leave with them. 90% of these startups run by immigrants are literal "call the fire marshal" dumpster fires. They are totally abusive.

Let me put it another way. Immigrants are of no value to me. Wages, products they produce, research, spicy curry, yoga, you name it. Bottom line, they take up space consume public resources like roads and schools. They can't even carry a conversation on the weather. No, I don't like what 90% of corporations use immigrants for. Google, Amazon etc. We were fine without it. A great example is AI. There is no reason we needed to develop AI capabilities this fast. Our society is not ready for it. A) If we had waited 5 or ten years, the computation would be better, it would take nearly so much energy. B) It would likely be of higher quality. C) People would have been introduced to it more gradually.

Here it is we are in a total AI bubble. It's kind of like the Spanish Empire when they invaded the New World and found(stole) all of that gold. They ended up going bankrupt numerous times. Same idea. Economically it just doesn't make sense to develop something like AI that quickly. Ah, but we have immigrants to do it for us, so let's do it.

Ok. So long as you recognize that companies like Google, Amazon etc is what pays for the standard of living of all Americans.

You are right about the AI being a bubble but the technology is being built right now. The race is on to monetize it. If we aren’t in the game, in 10 years we will be exporting from others. And the innovation center will have shifted from the United States. This will affect the wealth of your children and mine, regardless of what they choose to do.

Google and Amazon(not to mention Microsoft has been around for well before this.) were both established well before H-1B thank you very much. Here, here is some AI slop you want more of this. Do you think the dot.com bubble is related to the H-1B at all.

1️⃣ When were Google and Amazon founded?

Amazon was founded in 1994 (incorporated July 1994, website launched 1995).

Google was incorporated in 1998.

So by 2001, both companies were already well established, not being “founded” then.

2️⃣ H-1B visa caps in the early 2000s

The H-1B visa program had a statutory cap that changed several times. The numbers below are for the regular cap (not including exemptions for universities, nonprofits, etc.):

Fiscal Year Regular Cap Actual Petitions Approved
FY 1999 115,000 ~133,000 issued total*
FY 2000 115,000 ~136,000 issued total*
FY 2001 195,000 ~163,600 issued total*
FY 2002 195,000 ~161,100 issued total*
FY 2003 195,000 ~173,900 issued total*

*Total includes cap-exempt cases.

The cap jumped from 65,000 (the old baseline) to 115,000 (FY1999-2000) and then to 195,000 (FY2001-2003) due to the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21). After FY2004 it reverted back to 65,000 (plus the 20,000 U.S. master’s cap added later).

3️⃣ Takeaway

In 2001, the H-1B cap was at its historic high — 195,000 visas. Roughly 160k–170k were actually issued that year. This was during the dot-com boom when companies like Amazon and Google were hiring heavily.

Would you like me to show how that 195,000 cap compares to today’s cap (65,000 + 20,000 master’s)?

Are you seriously arguing that foreign talent was not critical to building Google and Amazon as powerhouses in the United States?

Let’s look at the first employees at Google for example. Founded by Larry Page (born in the USA) and Sergei Brin (born in Russia). Of the first 20 employees, here are five that some article says were the most consequential hires. We can look at all 20 if you want.

https://theorg.com/iterate/five-key-hires-to-googles-success

Larry Silverstein. born to an American family (I think). But trained for his PhD by an Indian American who he credits much of his understanding of coding form.

Heather Cairns. I think she is from an American family. And she is very important but notice she is HR and not tech.

Urs Hölzle. Immigrant. Born in Switzerland.

Harry Cheung. Son of Chinese immigrants. Raised in California but I don’t know where he was born.

Georges Harik Immigrant. From Lebanon.

How do you know up front that these are the people you need around? You don’t. You can’t pick them as post docs or PhD students to Stanford and MiT who may have been on an H1B as different from other post docs you refuse H1Bs to. Instead you create an ecosystem with the best and brightest and some will rise to creating huge value for all of us Americans. This is how our innovation system has always worked.

We don’t need more Indians. I’d have zero issue with h1b if it cut out Indians. They are used like indentured servants by tech corps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have always “stolen” the best and brightest from other countries and made them into Americans. It is in our DNA and has enormous value to the United States. 55% of America’s billion dollar startups have at least one immigrant founder. You want that creativity and drive being cultivated in China?

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/

In many cases the answer is yes. I think we should go so far as to develop a "capital to-go box" to encourage capitalism leave with them. 90% of these startups run by immigrants are literal "call the fire marshal" dumpster fires. They are totally abusive.

Let me put it another way. Immigrants are of no value to me. Wages, products they produce, research, spicy curry, yoga, you name it. Bottom line, they take up space consume public resources like roads and schools. They can't even carry a conversation on the weather. No, I don't like what 90% of corporations use immigrants for. Google, Amazon etc. We were fine without it. A great example is AI. There is no reason we needed to develop AI capabilities this fast. Our society is not ready for it. A) If we had waited 5 or ten years, the computation would be better, it would take nearly so much energy. B) It would likely be of higher quality. C) People would have been introduced to it more gradually.

Here it is we are in a total AI bubble. It's kind of like the Spanish Empire when they invaded the New World and found(stole) all of that gold. They ended up going bankrupt numerous times. Same idea. Economically it just doesn't make sense to develop something like AI that quickly. Ah, but we have immigrants to do it for us, so let's do it.

Ok. So long as you recognize that companies like Google, Amazon etc is what pays for the standard of living of all Americans.

You are right about the AI being a bubble but the technology is being built right now. The race is on to monetize it. If we aren’t in the game, in 10 years we will be exporting from others. And the innovation center will have shifted from the United States. This will affect the wealth of your children and mine, regardless of what they choose to do.

Google and Amazon(not to mention Microsoft has been around for well before this.) were both established well before H-1B thank you very much. Here, here is some AI slop you want more of this. Do you think the dot.com bubble is related to the H-1B at all.

1️⃣ When were Google and Amazon founded?

Amazon was founded in 1994 (incorporated July 1994, website launched 1995).

Google was incorporated in 1998.

So by 2001, both companies were already well established, not being “founded” then.

2️⃣ H-1B visa caps in the early 2000s

The H-1B visa program had a statutory cap that changed several times. The numbers below are for the regular cap (not including exemptions for universities, nonprofits, etc.):

Fiscal Year Regular Cap Actual Petitions Approved
FY 1999 115,000 ~133,000 issued total*
FY 2000 115,000 ~136,000 issued total*
FY 2001 195,000 ~163,600 issued total*
FY 2002 195,000 ~161,100 issued total*
FY 2003 195,000 ~173,900 issued total*

*Total includes cap-exempt cases.

The cap jumped from 65,000 (the old baseline) to 115,000 (FY1999-2000) and then to 195,000 (FY2001-2003) due to the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21). After FY2004 it reverted back to 65,000 (plus the 20,000 U.S. master’s cap added later).

3️⃣ Takeaway

In 2001, the H-1B cap was at its historic high — 195,000 visas. Roughly 160k–170k were actually issued that year. This was during the dot-com boom when companies like Amazon and Google were hiring heavily.

Would you like me to show how that 195,000 cap compares to today’s cap (65,000 + 20,000 master’s)?

Are you seriously arguing that foreign talent was not critical to building Google and Amazon as powerhouses in the United States?

Let’s look at the first employees at Google for example. Founded by Larry Page (born in the USA) and Sergei Brin (born in Russia). Of the first 20 employees, here are five that some article says were the most consequential hires. We can look at all 20 if you want.

https://theorg.com/iterate/five-key-hires-to-googles-success

Larry Silverstein. born to an American family (I think). But trained for his PhD by an Indian American who he credits much of his understanding of coding form.

Heather Cairns. I think she is from an American family. And she is very important but notice she is HR and not tech.

Urs Hölzle. Immigrant. Born in Switzerland.

Harry Cheung. Son of Chinese immigrants. Raised in California but I don’t know where he was born.

Georges Harik Immigrant. From Lebanon.

How do you know up front that these are the people you need around? You don’t. You can’t pick them as post docs or PhD students to Stanford and MiT who may have been on an H1B as different from other post docs you refuse H1Bs to. Instead you create an ecosystem with the best and brightest and some will rise to creating huge value for all of us Americans. This is how our innovation system has always worked.

So, you aren't going to argue Amazon.

So you claim a bunch of second gens you're really reaching for that one.

Bottom line Google and Amazon are American products. Scaled by immigration.

Personally I would prefer a much smaller Google and Amazon. There products were much better circa 2005 than now.

Have you heard of the Dead Internet hypothesis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

So, capitalism is going to fail us because they don't immigrants? I don't but since capitalism is so intertwined with immigration maybe we should think about taking the capital at the corporations instead of a flat fee. Want immigrants, give us a stake.

Our American immigration system isn't an international employment labor subsidization scheme for corporations. I'm sorry it just isn't. Our immigration system is run by our elected government for what we want. If the corporations want us to run a labor employment system for them, they need to give us a stake. Let me see the check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many people are misrepresenting what has happened.

Making H1Bs more expensive does not prevent their use for hiring immigrants with rare skills. It only prevents them from being used to prevent the employment of citizens for for mundane jobs.

I got that. Use H1B for unusual talent. That should be the intent.

How did we get to the point where the system is getting scammed like it is while American employees are getting thrown out into the streets of their own country by immigrant labor? Sure, let's give these high paying jobs to immigrants at the expense of highly trained, highly competent American men and women.

Where was the State Department when the system was getting scammed by South Asians and their cronies? Where was Congress when their constituents were getting replaced by these immigrants? Out to lunch is where they've been.

Typically O-1 is used for unusual talent.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

So, capitalism is going to fail us because they don't immigrants? I don't but since capitalism is so intertwined with immigration maybe we should think about taking the capital at the corporations instead of a flat fee. Want immigrants, give us a stake.

Our American immigration system isn't an international employment labor subsidization scheme for corporations. I'm sorry it just isn't. Our immigration system is run by our elected government for what we want. If the corporations want us to run a labor employment system for them, they need to give us a stake. Let me see the check.

Capitalism means the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, or telling companies whom they can hire, or where they can hire.

So, if you think the government should tell corporations what to do " for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American" (which is what the ^^PP stated), then that is called socialism, where everything is done for the social good rather than for maximizing profit, which is what capitalism is about. The hallmark of capitalism is profit.

So, yes, you are being uncapitalist if you think companies shouldn't hire the cheapest labor that they can and instead be forced to hire Americans.

IMO, that's what makes MAGA populists, rather than real Rs. You are RINOs.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

So, capitalism is going to fail us because they don't immigrants? I don't but since capitalism is so intertwined with immigration maybe we should think about taking the capital at the corporations instead of a flat fee. Want immigrants, give us a stake.

Our American immigration system isn't an international employment labor subsidization scheme for corporations. I'm sorry it just isn't. Our immigration system is run by our elected government for what we want. If the corporations want us to run a labor employment system for them, they need to give us a stake. Let me see the check.

Capitalism means the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, or telling companies whom they can hire, or where they can hire.

So, if you think the government should tell corporations what to do " for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American" (which is what the ^^PP stated), then that is called socialism, where everything is done for the social good rather than for maximizing profit, which is what capitalism is about. The hallmark of capitalism is profit.

So, yes, you are being uncapitalist if you think companies shouldn't hire the cheapest labor that they can and instead be forced to hire Americans.

IMO, that's what makes MAGA populists, rather than real Rs. You are RINOs.

The country stopped being capitalist when they sad that corporations were people and stopped putting criminal CEOs in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

So, capitalism is going to fail us because they don't immigrants? I don't but since capitalism is so intertwined with immigration maybe we should think about taking the capital at the corporations instead of a flat fee. Want immigrants, give us a stake.

Our American immigration system isn't an international employment labor subsidization scheme for corporations. I'm sorry it just isn't. Our immigration system is run by our elected government for what we want. If the corporations want us to run a labor employment system for them, they need to give us a stake. Let me see the check.

Capitalism means the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, or telling companies whom they can hire, or where they can hire.

So, if you think the government should tell corporations what to do " for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American" (which is what the ^^PP stated), then that is called socialism, where everything is done for the social good rather than for maximizing profit, which is what capitalism is about. The hallmark of capitalism is profit.

So, yes, you are being uncapitalist if you think companies shouldn't hire the cheapest labor that they can and instead be forced to hire Americans.

IMO, that's what makes MAGA populists, rather than real Rs. You are RINOs.

The country stopped being capitalist when they sad that corporations were people and stopped putting criminal CEOs in prison.

Then why not just call us a socialist country, and force companies to hire Americans?

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

So, capitalism is going to fail us because they don't immigrants? I don't but since capitalism is so intertwined with immigration maybe we should think about taking the capital at the corporations instead of a flat fee. Want immigrants, give us a stake.

Our American immigration system isn't an international employment labor subsidization scheme for corporations. I'm sorry it just isn't. Our immigration system is run by our elected government for what we want. If the corporations want us to run a labor employment system for them, they need to give us a stake. Let me see the check.

Capitalism means the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, or telling companies whom they can hire, or where they can hire.

So, if you think the government should tell corporations what to do " for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American" (which is what the ^^PP stated), then that is called socialism, where everything is done for the social good rather than for maximizing profit, which is what capitalism is about. The hallmark of capitalism is profit.

So, yes, you are being uncapitalist if you think companies shouldn't hire the cheapest labor that they can and instead be forced to hire Americans.

IMO, that's what makes MAGA populists, rather than real Rs. You are RINOs.

They aren't forced to hire Americans. They can always go and work with Communist China like Amazon and Apple love to do.

Yum bum bum. There it is capitalism has no free market credibility anymore. You're all lying commie socialist scoundrels and should be barred from entering the country.

Thanks for playing.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a small company focused on international policy issues. We have been so lucky with some talented students/recent grads working on school based visas and have hired them on through the H1B lottery. It's important for us to have different (non-American) points of view in our work, and these people are so freaking smart. It's going to be a blow to us.

Can’t they work in country offices or maybe you can hire naturalized citizens or GC holders

They still have different perspectives. A green card holder who's lived here for many years won't have the same perspective as someone who has been living in that other country.

It’s not like you live in the U.S. for decades to get a green card. I am sure they still have the perspective. Or they can be hired remotely or locally if you need local experts on the ground.

In any case, nothing against 5-10 hibs at a company. But there’s are whole cities where I live populated by current and former hibs from one part of the world

how long do you think it takes to get a green card once you come here on a visa. HINT: it takes way more than 5 years, especially if you are from India.

Again, stop talking nonsense. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Yes, they can be hired remotely, which is called offshoring, which is what I stated was going to happen.

Maybe Trump will find a way to tariff offshore IT work.

? tariffs are for imports, not exports. But, how un-capitalist of you.

Why doesn't he tax his own businesses that hire visa workers?

He should. Everything should be done for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American. Otherwise everything is a race for the bottom.

Tell that to capitalism. Everything is for the benefit of the shareholders. The wealth will "trickle down" haha

+1 How very uncapitalist of the ^PP. They must be a socialist.

So, capitalism is going to fail us because they don't immigrants? I don't but since capitalism is so intertwined with immigration maybe we should think about taking the capital at the corporations instead of a flat fee. Want immigrants, give us a stake.

Our American immigration system isn't an international employment labor subsidization scheme for corporations. I'm sorry it just isn't. Our immigration system is run by our elected government for what we want. If the corporations want us to run a labor employment system for them, they need to give us a stake. Let me see the check.

Capitalism means the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, or telling companies whom they can hire, or where they can hire.

So, if you think the government should tell corporations what to do " for the benefit of Americans even if it costs more for an American" (which is what the ^^PP stated), then that is called socialism, where everything is done for the social good rather than for maximizing profit, which is what capitalism is about. The hallmark of capitalism is profit.

So, yes, you are being uncapitalist if you think companies shouldn't hire the cheapest labor that they can and instead be forced to hire Americans.

IMO, that's what makes MAGA populists, rather than real Rs. You are RINOs.

MAGA has a lot in common with 1990s Dems. Trump was a Democrat at that time, and later only ran as a Republican because third parties can't win in the current system.