The Five school districts with Title IX violations, how much money do they stand to lose?

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Anonymous wrote:My question is how it is that Arlington County has hired one of the most expensive law firms in the country to fight their cause? I know the question sounds judgmental but I’m genuinely curious. I would be shocked if Wilkie is willing to get in a fight with the administration after having capitulated and reached a Trump compromise for free or for some really reduced rate, but how would we know? That’s a real question: who and how is Arlington paying for this lawsuit? Where does the funding come from and who authorizes it?

Not trying to get into a fight about the merits of this lawsuit, which I know won’t happen on DCUM, but I can try.

Maybe it’s pro-bono.

Fighting facism? Priceless.

There is almost no chance they’re doing it pro-bono. APS is well resourced and chose this fight. Wilkie’s not going to turn down the payday, especially since they are likely to lose in the long run.

Everyone still gets paid and only the students suffer. Should tell you how seriously they take the “fighting fascism” idea.

No law firm thinks they've hit a payday because they're representing a single school district in a fight with the Trump administration.

It's a potentially high profile case and supports LGBQT+ rights. There's a good chance they're doing it for reduced fees or on a capped fee, so not even close to full rates.

FCPS joined the suit and is one of the largest districts in the country

Are they sharing counsel with APS or do they have their own counsel?

With the money APS is spending on this lawsuit, could they have just installed a gender neutral bathroom in whichever school requires one?

Most schools have a private option available for trans kids. Problems arise when that solution is not accepted. That was the Grimm case. A private bathroom was made available but rejected. If these districts (and the activists!) would accept having kids who identify as a gender different than the one observed at birth use a private bathroom, these issues go away. But that means acknowledging they are not actually the gender they present as, so that solution is not accepted.

If your kid doesn't want to share a bathroom with a trans girl, why doesn't your kid use the private bathroom?

If your trans kid doesn’t want to share a bathroom with their birth sex, why doesn’t your trans kid use the private bathroom?

Trans kids are fine with the policy as is - if you have a problem why can't your kid use the private bathroom? Or is it really YOU with the problem and not your kid?

It’s cute how you use this argument about bathrooms, as if the women’s sports issue isn’t just as bad. What are they supposed to do when it’s time to take the field? If your argument is “they can just go form their own sports league”, you’re basically saying there can be no taxpayer-funded female-only spaces or activities. None. There is no space or activity that schools can provide that must not allow a male to enter at will. Go ahead and continue to make this argument.

NP. That is in fact the argument they are making. In legal terms, this is about a conflict of rights, and the position of the district, as well as all the people supporting the district, is that when there is a direct conflict between gender-based rights versus sex-based rights, gender-based rights are the more important right and must prevail. Under their legal framework, girls and women (under the sex-based definition of them) have no legal rights that cannot be fully abrogated by gender identity. That is exactly what they want.

The school district is willing to spend millions of dollars to try to enshrine this legal framework, which is why they are doing this. It isn’t just about this one situation. It is about permanently destroying the sex-based rights of students in favor of gender-based rights.

Correct. Willing to spend millions of dollars intended for children’s education to abolish women’s and girls sex-based rights. Which is an 80-20 issue of which they are the minority.

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Anonymous wrote:My question is how it is that Arlington County has hired one of the most expensive law firms in the country to fight their cause? I know the question sounds judgmental but I’m genuinely curious. I would be shocked if Wilkie is willing to get in a fight with the administration after having capitulated and reached a Trump compromise for free or for some really reduced rate, but how would we know? That’s a real question: who and how is Arlington paying for this lawsuit? Where does the funding come from and who authorizes it?

Not trying to get into a fight about the merits of this lawsuit, which I know won’t happen on DCUM, but I can try.

Maybe it’s pro-bono.

Fighting facism? Priceless.

There is almost no chance they’re doing it pro-bono. APS is well resourced and chose this fight. Wilkie’s not going to turn down the payday, especially since they are likely to lose in the long run.

Everyone still gets paid and only the students suffer. Should tell you how seriously they take the “fighting fascism” idea.

No law firm thinks they've hit a payday because they're representing a single school district in a fight with the Trump administration.

It's a potentially high profile case and supports LGBQT+ rights. There's a good chance they're doing it for reduced fees or on a capped fee, so not even close to full rates.

FCPS joined the suit and is one of the largest districts in the country

Are they sharing counsel with APS or do they have their own counsel?

With the money APS is spending on this lawsuit, could they have just installed a gender neutral bathroom in whichever school requires one?

Most schools have a private option available for trans kids. Problems arise when that solution is not accepted. That was the Grimm case. A private bathroom was made available but rejected. If these districts (and the activists!) would accept having kids who identify as a gender different than the one observed at birth use a private bathroom, these issues go away. But that means acknowledging they are not actually the gender they present as, so that solution is not accepted.

If your kid doesn't want to share a bathroom with a trans girl, why doesn't your kid use the private bathroom?

If your trans kid doesn’t want to share a bathroom with their birth sex, why doesn’t your trans kid use the private bathroom?

Trans kids are fine with the policy as is - if you have a problem why can't your kid use the private bathroom? Or is it really YOU with the problem and not your kid?

It’s cute how you use this argument about bathrooms, as if the women’s sports issue isn’t just as bad. What are they supposed to do when it’s time to take the field? If your argument is “they can just go form their own sports league”, you’re basically saying there can be no taxpayer-funded female-only spaces or activities. None. There is no space or activity that schools can provide that must not allow a male to enter at will. Go ahead and continue to make this argument.

Stop deflecting, we're talking about bathrooms. Answer the question: why can't YOUR kid use the private bathroom instead of saying the trans kids have to use it when it's YOU or YOUR kid with the problem not the trans kid?

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Anonymous wrote:My question is how it is that Arlington County has hired one of the most expensive law firms in the country to fight their cause? I know the question sounds judgmental but I’m genuinely curious. I would be shocked if Wilkie is willing to get in a fight with the administration after having capitulated and reached a Trump compromise for free or for some really reduced rate, but how would we know? That’s a real question: who and how is Arlington paying for this lawsuit? Where does the funding come from and who authorizes it?

Not trying to get into a fight about the merits of this lawsuit, which I know won’t happen on DCUM, but I can try.

Maybe it’s pro-bono.

Fighting facism? Priceless.

There is almost no chance they’re doing it pro-bono. APS is well resourced and chose this fight. Wilkie’s not going to turn down the payday, especially since they are likely to lose in the long run.

Everyone still gets paid and only the students suffer. Should tell you how seriously they take the “fighting fascism” idea.

No law firm thinks they've hit a payday because they're representing a single school district in a fight with the Trump administration.

It's a potentially high profile case and supports LGBQT+ rights. There's a good chance they're doing it for reduced fees or on a capped fee, so not even close to full rates.

FCPS joined the suit and is one of the largest districts in the country

Are they sharing counsel with APS or do they have their own counsel?

With the money APS is spending on this lawsuit, could they have just installed a gender neutral bathroom in whichever school requires one?

Most schools have a private option available for trans kids. Problems arise when that solution is not accepted. That was the Grimm case. A private bathroom was made available but rejected. If these districts (and the activists!) would accept having kids who identify as a gender different than the one observed at birth use a private bathroom, these issues go away. But that means acknowledging they are not actually the gender they present as, so that solution is not accepted.

If your kid doesn't want to share a bathroom with a trans girl, why doesn't your kid use the private bathroom?

I’m not the pp you quoted, but there are more kids that would want to use the private bathrooms, than can reasonably be accommodated.

Have they asked to use it?

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Anonymous wrote:That was quite the meeting last night. Seems the community is strongly in support of the trans kids.

you can support trans teens right to express their identities be called their preferred names and live as they wish while also believing that we need a single stall bathroom and changing areas. You can also support them while realizing that losing funding hurts every student in a school.

+1. Plus, how many people in Arlington with a different opinion would show up in public to say so? They would be branded a bigot, shunned, etc.

Both sides of the debate have become so extreme, it’s sickening. I think most people support what you are saying PP but are too scared to say anything.

Dream on, you are in the bigoted minority. That's why no one with your view speaks up on Arlington. If you really had the numbers, you'd speak up.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:My question is how it is that Arlington County has hired one of the most expensive law firms in the country to fight their cause? I know the question sounds judgmental but I’m genuinely curious. I would be shocked if Wilkie is willing to get in a fight with the administration after having capitulated and reached a Trump compromise for free or for some really reduced rate, but how would we know? That’s a real question: who and how is Arlington paying for this lawsuit? Where does the funding come from and who authorizes it?

Not trying to get into a fight about the merits of this lawsuit, which I know won’t happen on DCUM, but I can try.

Maybe it’s pro-bono.

Fighting facism? Priceless.

There is almost no chance they’re doing it pro-bono. APS is well resourced and chose this fight. Wilkie’s not going to turn down the payday, especially since they are likely to lose in the long run.

Everyone still gets paid and only the students suffer. Should tell you how seriously they take the “fighting fascism” idea.

No law firm thinks they've hit a payday because they're representing a single school district in a fight with the Trump administration.

It's a potentially high profile case and supports LGBQT+ rights. There's a good chance they're doing it for reduced fees or on a capped fee, so not even close to full rates.

FCPS joined the suit and is one of the largest districts in the country

Are they sharing counsel with APS or do they have their own counsel?

With the money APS is spending on this lawsuit, could they have just installed a gender neutral bathroom in whichever school requires one?

Most schools have a private option available for trans kids. Problems arise when that solution is not accepted. That was the Grimm case. A private bathroom was made available but rejected. If these districts (and the activists!) would accept having kids who identify as a gender different than the one observed at birth use a private bathroom, these issues go away. But that means acknowledging they are not actually the gender they present as, so that solution is not accepted.

If your kid doesn't want to share a bathroom with a trans girl, why doesn't your kid use the private bathroom?

If your trans kid doesn’t want to share a bathroom with their birth sex, why doesn’t your trans kid use the private bathroom?

Trans kids are fine with the policy as is - if you have a problem why can't your kid use the private bathroom? Or is it really YOU with the problem and not your kid?

It’s cute how you use this argument about bathrooms, as if the women’s sports issue isn’t just as bad. What are they supposed to do when it’s time to take the field? If your argument is “they can just go form their own sports league”, you’re basically saying there can be no taxpayer-funded female-only spaces or activities. None. There is no space or activity that schools can provide that must not allow a male to enter at will. Go ahead and continue to make this argument.

Stop deflecting, we're talking about bathrooms. Answer the question: why can't YOUR kid use the private bathroom instead of saying the trans kids have to use it when it's YOU or YOUR kid with the problem not the trans kid?

DP. This has been answered. They aren’t allowed. Like another PP, I’d be happy for my kids to use private restrooms. That would be great. No one smoking pot or vaping or writing graffiti on the walls. But they aren’t allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:My question is how it is that Arlington County has hired one of the most expensive law firms in the country to fight their cause? I know the question sounds judgmental but I’m genuinely curious. I would be shocked if Wilkie is willing to get in a fight with the administration after having capitulated and reached a Trump compromise for free or for some really reduced rate, but how would we know? That’s a real question: who and how is Arlington paying for this lawsuit? Where does the funding come from and who authorizes it?

Not trying to get into a fight about the merits of this lawsuit, which I know won’t happen on DCUM, but I can try.

Maybe it’s pro-bono.

Fighting facism? Priceless.

There is almost no chance they’re doing it pro-bono. APS is well resourced and chose this fight. Wilkie’s not going to turn down the payday, especially since they are likely to lose in the long run.

Everyone still gets paid and only the students suffer. Should tell you how seriously they take the “fighting fascism” idea.

No law firm thinks they've hit a payday because they're representing a single school district in a fight with the Trump administration.

It's a potentially high profile case and supports LGBQT+ rights. There's a good chance they're doing it for reduced fees or on a capped fee, so not even close to full rates.

FCPS joined the suit and is one of the largest districts in the country

Are they sharing counsel with APS or do they have their own counsel?

With the money APS is spending on this lawsuit, could they have just installed a gender neutral bathroom in whichever school requires one?

Most schools have a private option available for trans kids. Problems arise when that solution is not accepted. That was the Grimm case. A private bathroom was made available but rejected. If these districts (and the activists!) would accept having kids who identify as a gender different than the one observed at birth use a private bathroom, these issues go away. But that means acknowledging they are not actually the gender they present as, so that solution is not accepted.

If your kid doesn't want to share a bathroom with a trans girl, why doesn't your kid use the private bathroom?

Can you tell me where the private bathroom is located? Hell I’ll install a private porta potty outside if they’ll let me.

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Anonymous wrote:My question is how it is that Arlington County has hired one of the most expensive law firms in the country to fight their cause? I know the question sounds judgmental but I’m genuinely curious. I would be shocked if Wilkie is willing to get in a fight with the administration after having capitulated and reached a Trump compromise for free or for some really reduced rate, but how would we know? That’s a real question: who and how is Arlington paying for this lawsuit? Where does the funding come from and who authorizes it?

Not trying to get into a fight about the merits of this lawsuit, which I know won’t happen on DCUM, but I can try.

Maybe it’s pro-bono.

Fighting facism? Priceless.

There is almost no chance they’re doing it pro-bono. APS is well resourced and chose this fight. Wilkie’s not going to turn down the payday, especially since they are likely to lose in the long run.

Everyone still gets paid and only the students suffer. Should tell you how seriously they take the “fighting fascism” idea.

No law firm thinks they've hit a payday because they're representing a single school district in a fight with the Trump administration.

It's a potentially high profile case and supports LGBQT+ rights. There's a good chance they're doing it for reduced fees or on a capped fee, so not even close to full rates.

FCPS joined the suit and is one of the largest districts in the country

Are they sharing counsel with APS or do they have their own counsel?

With the money APS is spending on this lawsuit, could they have just installed a gender neutral bathroom in whichever school requires one?

Most schools have a private option available for trans kids. Problems arise when that solution is not accepted. That was the Grimm case. A private bathroom was made available but rejected. If these districts (and the activists!) would accept having kids who identify as a gender different than the one observed at birth use a private bathroom, these issues go away. But that means acknowledging they are not actually the gender they present as, so that solution is not accepted.

If your kid doesn't want to share a bathroom with a trans girl, why doesn't your kid use the private bathroom?

If your trans kid doesn’t want to share a bathroom with their birth sex, why doesn’t your trans kid use the private bathroom?

Trans kids are fine with the policy as is - if you have a problem why can't your kid use the private bathroom? Or is it really YOU with the problem and not your kid?

It’s cute how you use this argument about bathrooms, as if the women’s sports issue isn’t just as bad. What are they supposed to do when it’s time to take the field? If your argument is “they can just go form their own sports league”, you’re basically saying there can be no taxpayer-funded female-only spaces or activities. None. There is no space or activity that schools can provide that must not allow a male to enter at will. Go ahead and continue to make this argument.

Stop deflecting, we're talking about bathrooms. Answer the question: why can't YOUR kid use the private bathroom instead of saying the trans kids have to use it when it's YOU or YOUR kid with the problem not the trans kid?

DP. This has been answered. They aren’t allowed. Like another PP, I’d be happy for my kids to use private restrooms. That would be great. No one smoking pot or vaping or writing graffiti on the walls. But they aren’t allowed.

So advocate for that with your school. Problem solved!

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What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

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Anonymous wrote:What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

There are private/family changing rooms at the W-L pool.

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Anonymous wrote:What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

There are private/family changing rooms at the W-L pool.

And stalls in the shower area and bathroom.

But then you’d have to pass by all of the saggy exhibitionists.

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Anonymous wrote:What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

There are private/family changing rooms at the W-L pool.

The problem there is if there is an adult waiting in the private changing room for a child to enter, it ends very badly with no witnesses.

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Anonymous wrote:What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

There are private/family changing rooms at the W-L pool.

The problem there is if there is an adult waiting in the private changing room for a child to enter, it ends very badly with no witnesses.

True, I guess, but the locker rooms are supposed to be closed to the public when students are using them during the school day.

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Anonymous wrote:What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

There are private/family changing rooms at the W-L pool.

The problem there is if there is an adult waiting in the private changing room for a child to enter, it ends very badly with no witnesses.

True, I guess, but the locker rooms are supposed to be closed to the public when students are using them during the school day.

it did recently happen https://wjla.com/news/local/virginia-arlington-county-schools-aps-transgender-bathroom-policy-residents-sex-offender-exposed-himself-richard-cox-washington-liberty-high-locker-room-superintendent-francisco-duran-aquatic-facility

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Anonymous wrote:What about elementary kids changing in the W-L locker rooms for the elementary school swimming unit - can I request a private bathroom for my child?

There are private/family changing rooms at the W-L pool.

The problem there is if there is an adult waiting in the private changing room for a child to enter, it ends very badly with no witnesses.

True, I guess, but the locker rooms are supposed to be closed to the public when students are using them during the school day.

it did recently happen https://wjla.com/news/local/virginia-arlington-county-schools-aps-transgender-bathroom-policy-residents-sex-offender-exposed-himself-richard-cox-washington-liberty-high-locker-room-superintendent-francisco-duran-aquatic-facility

No. PP said an adult waiting in a private changing room during swimming PE. The linked story is about the person entering the GROUP/main locker room after school hours. Still awful, but different from PP’s hypothetical.

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CCPTA is soliciting feedback on how the loss of funding would impact families