Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Are you really arguing that it makes sense to flush a 22 week old fetus down the toilet? C’mon.

This wasn’t a miscarriage. It was a stillbirth.

Please tell us where the cut off is? You seem to have it all figured out. We are talking about something that was 6 inches long. Where is the cut off for being required to scoop it out of the toilet? And what would you have her do? Call 911, have it rushed to the hospital, declared dead, put in a morgue, taken to a funeral home, hold a funeral?

Please specifically tell us what your pea brain thinks she needed to do.

There is a feature on your device called search, use it. You can find this answer in about 2 seconds.

You all keep saying this but no one has provided an answer.

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This thread is absurd

Bottom line Republicans are not stopping at abortion or forms of birth control .

Women just got use of credit cards in the 1970 s that is going away jobs lol going to family men you will get nothing in a divorce not to mention Mike Johnson and Republicans are going to deserve constitution

Any female voting red brain dead

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:The lady deserves to be charged because of what she did after the baby was born. She didn't call for help. She did nothing but go about her day then come back to plunge the clog. Its totally inhumane how she treated her own dead baby she's supposed to care for. And if you have ever seen a 22 week baby including the gestational sac and placenta its very large, even attempting to flush it is not only stupid for plumbing sake but abuse of a corpse which is what she was charged with. Most people would call 911, an ambulance, a medical examiner or even googled "what to do if I have a still born baby at home" and it says to call 911 immediately. So even playing dumb here she should have been able to figure out what to do and if not she could have looked it up, called the police/hospital. It comes across like she didn't want a bunch or medical bills or to have to pay for the baby to be properly laid to rest which is what this child deserved at 22 weeks old. This does not sound like a caring mother to me going about her day and trying to flush a baby. This is not a dead fish we are talking about here it's a human life that deserved more. And for those of you who think that's unreasonable I feel really sorry for your heart.

Again, what does this mean, and how do you know it?

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It. Was. Already. Dead.

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Anonymous wrote:How is anyone defending this woman? She left her baby in the toilet bowl and went about her day. She had to cut the cord. She treated her baby like a literal piece of poop. SMH.

I’d love to hear what that day was like. Could you elaborate? What did that going on with her day look like?

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Anonymous wrote:How is anyone defending this woman? She left her baby in the toilet bowl and went about her day. She had to cut the cord. She treated her baby like a literal piece of poop. SMH.

is that a felony? the baby was born dead. 2nd trimester miscarriages get flushed all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:How is anyone defending this woman? She left her baby in the toilet bowl and went about her day. She had to cut the cord. She treated her baby like a literal piece of poop. SMH.

What is with the fetishization of this phrasing, when nobody is willing to clarify what it means?

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Anonymous wrote:The lady deserves to be charged because of what she did after the baby was born. She didn't call for help. She did nothing but go about her day then come back to plunge the clog. Its totally inhumane how she treated her own dead baby she's supposed to care for. And if you have ever seen a 22 week baby including the gestational sac and placenta its very large, even attempting to flush it is not only stupid for plumbing sake but abuse of a corpse which is what she was charged with. Most people would call 911, an ambulance, a medical examiner or even googled "what to do if I have a still born baby at home" and it says to call 911 immediately. So even playing dumb here she should have been able to figure out what to do and if not she could have looked it up, called the police/hospital. It comes across like she didn't want a bunch or medical bills or to have to pay for the baby to be properly laid to rest which is what this child deserved at 22 weeks old. This does not sound like a caring mother to me going about her day and trying to flush a baby. This is not a dead fish we are talking about here it's a human life that deserved more. And for those of you who think that's unreasonable I feel really sorry for your heart.

How do you know the fetus hadn’t died at 19 weeks and wasn’t expelled until 22? That happens. And there is nowhere that mandates how to dispose of the remains of a fetus before 20-24 weeks.

I had to have a D&C after a fetus died and three weeks later was still in utero. So it is totally possible that this woman’s 22 week fetus was really less than 20 weeks. Especially given that dating pregnancies is not always scientifically accurate.

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The prosecution said go on with her day to make this woman’s stillbirth seem intentional and disconnected. It’s intentionally phrased to overwhelm public perception and make her loss villainous.

I have no doubt she believed she’d received no support from the medical system by calling for help after her loss. Her skin color is absolutely a factor in both the lack of care and how this is being prosecuted.

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She may have wondered why call 911. There was no emergency. The hospital she tried to go for help twice turned her away, so why return now. No one cared for the situation she was in.

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Anonymous wrote:She may have wondered why call 911. There was no emergency. The hospital she tried to go for help twice turned her away, so why return now. No one cared for the situation she was in.

She probably got the message she was on her own, so she did what made sense in the moment. It sounds truly awful for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Toilet paper can clog a toilet.

Here we go again: comparing a 22 week old baby, full gestational sac AND placenta to toilet paper. You can't make this kind of stupid up.

Okay, what the heck. She had premature rupture of membranes -- per the doctor interviewed -- and so she had been leaking amniotic fluid.

Where do you get a "full gestational sac" from? Do you think it refills with KoolAid?

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Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

It’s not felony level wrong for crying out loud.

Spend the money from prosecuting and jailing her on education on this issue of what to do after a miscarriage or stillbirth outside a hospital setting and mandating that hospitals and doctors counsel pregnant women what to do in case of a miscarriage or stillbirth at home or work or in a public space. (I had one at a library once.)

There are likely thousands of cases of women flushing fetuses down the toilet whether intentionally or accidentally.

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Anonymous wrote:The prosecution said go on with her day to make this woman’s stillbirth seem intentional and disconnected. It’s intentionally phrased to overwhelm public perception and make her loss villainous.

I have no doubt she believed she’d received no support from the medical system by calling for help after her loss. Her skin color is absolutely a factor in both the lack of care and how this is being prosecuted.

+1 And it doesn’t seem that she got any help from the medical system when she went there and reported her loss, twice.