Fight btw BCC & WJ students after game @ 8:30 Friday night

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every WJ/BCC basketball and football game. Just means they'll impose more restrictions going forward.

It's just another strong indicator of MCPS decline when students at these schools act like gang members.

Or students of those schools. What dog-whistle is Gang Members in this context?

The usual one, I expect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced that parents are primarily to blame. Several have pointed the finger at lackadaisical parenting skills as a reason for the melee last night. These students are up against a culture that promotes entitlement and disrespect for authority that has been fueled by the pandemic-related events of 2020-2022.

A culture of entitlement and disrespect for authority starts at home. This has nothing to do with the pandemic and kids have been back in school for over two years now. Stop blaming the pandemic for bad parenting. Kids don't get this way overnight. This was many years in the doing, prior to covid and they know they can do it as there is no supervision or consequences at home. MCPS should require a parent or legal guardian to attend these games or close them to the public if students cannot behave without that level of supervision. But, even so, this happened off MCPS property so those "kids" were under the supervision of their parents so ultimately the parents failed somewhere and this didn't just happen 3 years ago. Plenty of kids DON'T behave this way and also went through the pandemic.

Your post is so opinionated and judgmental. Any experienced parent, or wise adult in general, knows that of course parenting matters but it's not everything. Kids are born with certain genetics that you can't always control. Or there are circumstances that you can't control. Experiences that they go through that you can't control. Plenty of well parented kids grow up to have many issues. And plenty of poorly parented kids grow up to be perfectly well adjusted and successful.

We all wish we could point the finger at someone for everything, but the reality is that you can't.

You really want to argue all of those kids are special needs and cannot be controlled. Then they should be in a residential program, like RICA or another program if the parents cannot handle them. Bottomline is where were the parents. They weren't supervising their kids after the football game and the kids violently attacked another. When your kids dress in all black and put masks over their faces, as a parent, that's not a red flag to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Boys in fatherless homes do less well in life. They have plenty to rage about, including their single mothers with little if any authority, and her various boyfriends.

Absentee/ part time fathers can never be equal to a strong, loving and disciplined father in the home.

Kids who grow up with parents who are judgmental, angry and like to criticize other families tend to do very poorly when they grow up. I feel so bad for kids who have parents like the one above, they are going to grow up so messed up. It's really sad that they don't have a loving mother who demonstrates respect for other people and understanding of different circumstances.

This is a parenting issue regardless of the home situation. There were at least a dozen, if not more kids involved and given that there would be multiple family situations, all of which the parents failed to supervise and discipline their kids. MCPS should require parents to attend the football games or at least require the parents to pick them up if the kids cannot act responsibly. These incidents are happening far to frequently and if they are off MCPS property, MCPS cannot be blamed and parents need to be held accountable for their kids behaviors.

This arose from a school event. It was kids from one school against kids from another school. There’s a culture problem at both schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boys in fatherless homes do less well in life. They have plenty to rage about, including their single mothers with little if any authority, and her various boyfriends.

Absentee/ part time fathers can never be equal to a strong, loving and disciplined father in the home.

Kids who grow up with parents who are judgmental, angry and like to criticize other families tend to do very poorly when they grow up. I feel so bad for kids who have parents like the one above, they are going to grow up so messed up. It's really sad that they don't have a loving mother who demonstrates respect for other people and understanding of different circumstances.

This is a parenting issue regardless of the home situation. There were at least a dozen, if not more kids involved and given that there would be multiple family situations, all of which the parents failed to supervise and discipline their kids. MCPS should require parents to attend the football games or at least require the parents to pick them up if the kids cannot act responsibly. These incidents are happening far to frequently and if they are off MCPS property, MCPS cannot be blamed and parents need to be held accountable for their kids behaviors.

For all you know, the kids involved were never even actually at the game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was at the game and security seemed very good. Student fans were in dedicated sections at opposite ends of the stadium. WJ student fans left just before game ended, and BCC student fans asked to stay after for 15 mins and performance of (terrific) student dance group. Plenty of security on site.

I disagree and was also at the game. I left slightly early along with many kids. It was pretty clear that MoCo needed much more police presence on the street by that point.

Not enough police anymore to provide necessary security.

My child was at the game and hanging out in Bethesdalast night. She said there were tons of police officers everywhere around Bethesda Row. The problem here isn’t a lack of officers but perhaps too many on the Bethesda Row side and not enough by the metro, where there have been fights before.

They were dealing with a robbery over there around the same time. The problem isn’t the police. It’s the kids.

Which store was robbed?

A person got robbed of their bike.

There is nothing about this on District 2 (Bethesda) dispatch radio. There was, however, a call for units at 8:35 pm to be aware that the BCC game was letting out. Then the first call about the assault was at 8:38 pm.

I checked the dispatch logs. 7:59pm there was a missing/runaway person -- that got a Priority 1, and didnt clear until 10:11pm. The robbery call (4800 block of Bethesda Ave) was at 9:06am and got the highest response (0).

There was also a theft at Montgomery Mall at 8:50pm (Pri2), and a disturbance/nuisance (Pri1) also at the mall at 8:51pm. They were also dealing with a pedestrian stuck on Sangamore Lan at 6:28pm that didn't clear until 8:50pm.

When did the fight occur exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced that parents are primarily to blame. Several have pointed the finger at lackadaisical parenting skills as a reason for the melee last night. These students are up against a culture that promotes entitlement and disrespect for authority that has been fueled by the pandemic-related events of 2020-2022.

A culture of entitlement and disrespect for authority starts at home. This has nothing to do with the pandemic and kids have been back in school for over two years now. Stop blaming the pandemic for bad parenting. Kids don't get this way overnight. This was many years in the doing, prior to covid and they know they can do it as there is no supervision or consequences at home. MCPS should require a parent or legal guardian to attend these games or close them to the public if students cannot behave without that level of supervision. But, even so, this happened off MCPS property so those "kids" were under the supervision of their parents so ultimately the parents failed somewhere and this didn't just happen 3 years ago. Plenty of kids DON'T behave this way and also went through the pandemic.

Your post is so opinionated and judgmental. Any experienced parent, or wise adult in general, knows that of course parenting matters but it's not everything. Kids are born with certain genetics that you can't always control. Or there are circumstances that you can't control. Experiences that they go through that you can't control. Plenty of well parented kids grow up to have many issues. And plenty of poorly parented kids grow up to be perfectly well adjusted and successful.

We all wish we could point the finger at someone for everything, but the reality is that you can't.

You really want to argue all of those kids are special needs and cannot be controlled. Then they should be in a residential program, like RICA or another program if the parents cannot handle them. Bottomline is where were the parents. They weren't supervising their kids after the football game and the kids violently attacked another. When your kids dress in all black and put masks over their faces, as a parent, that's not a red flag to you?

These are high school kids. Let's say, ages 14-18. Do you think it's inappropriate for kids aged 14-18 to be out in downtown Bethesda on a Friday evening without a parent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced that parents are primarily to blame. Several have pointed the finger at lackadaisical parenting skills as a reason for the melee last night. These students are up against a culture that promotes entitlement and disrespect for authority that has been fueled by the pandemic-related events of 2020-2022.

A culture of entitlement and disrespect for authority starts at home. This has nothing to do with the pandemic and kids have been back in school for over two years now. Stop blaming the pandemic for bad parenting. Kids don't get this way overnight. This was many years in the doing, prior to covid and they know they can do it as there is no supervision or consequences at home. MCPS should require a parent or legal guardian to attend these games or close them to the public if students cannot behave without that level of supervision. But, even so, this happened off MCPS property so those "kids" were under the supervision of their parents so ultimately the parents failed somewhere and this didn't just happen 3 years ago. Plenty of kids DON'T behave this way and also went through the pandemic.

Your post is so opinionated and judgmental. Any experienced parent, or wise adult in general, knows that of course parenting matters but it's not everything. Kids are born with certain genetics that you can't always control. Or there are circumstances that you can't control. Experiences that they go through that you can't control. Plenty of well parented kids grow up to have many issues. And plenty of poorly parented kids grow up to be perfectly well adjusted and successful.

We all wish we could point the finger at someone for everything, but the reality is that you can't.

You really want to argue all of those kids are special needs and cannot be controlled. Then they should be in a residential program, like RICA or another program if the parents cannot handle them. Bottomline is where were the parents. They weren't supervising their kids after the football game and the kids violently attacked another. When your kids dress in all black and put masks over their faces, as a parent, that's not a red flag to you?

These are high school kids. Let's say, ages 14-18. Do you think it's inappropriate for kids aged 14-18 to be out in downtown Bethesda on a Friday evening without a parent?

I would not let my 14 year old free roam. 16-18 if they were well behaved sure. But, I expect to know exactly where they are and what they are doing. A 14 year old should not be freely roaming. This is why these things are happening. And, as a parent, if my kid was dressed in all black carrying a face mask common sense is something is seriously off and going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boys in fatherless homes do less well in life. They have plenty to rage about, including their single mothers with little if any authority, and her various boyfriends.

Absentee/ part time fathers can never be equal to a strong, loving and disciplined father in the home.

Kids who grow up with parents who are judgmental, angry and like to criticize other families tend to do very poorly when they grow up. I feel so bad for kids who have parents like the one above, they are going to grow up so messed up. It's really sad that they don't have a loving mother who demonstrates respect for other people and understanding of different circumstances.

This is a parenting issue regardless of the home situation. There were at least a dozen, if not more kids involved and given that there would be multiple family situations, all of which the parents failed to supervise and discipline their kids. MCPS should require parents to attend the football games or at least require the parents to pick them up if the kids cannot act responsibly. These incidents are happening far to frequently and if they are off MCPS property, MCPS cannot be blamed and parents need to be held accountable for their kids behaviors.

For all you know, the kids involved were never even actually at the game.

That is very true, and if so, then it really has nothing to do with MCPS. Especially given the timing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was at the game and security seemed very good. Student fans were in dedicated sections at opposite ends of the stadium. WJ student fans left just before game ended, and BCC student fans asked to stay after for 15 mins and performance of (terrific) student dance group. Plenty of security on site.

I disagree and was also at the game. I left slightly early along with many kids. It was pretty clear that MoCo needed much more police presence on the street by that point.

Not enough police anymore to provide necessary security.

My child was at the game and hanging out in Bethesdalast night. She said there were tons of police officers everywhere around Bethesda Row. The problem here isn’t a lack of officers but perhaps too many on the Bethesda Row side and not enough by the metro, where there have been fights before.

They were dealing with a robbery over there around the same time. The problem isn’t the police. It’s the kids.

Which store was robbed?

A person got robbed of their bike.

There is nothing about this on District 2 (Bethesda) dispatch radio. There was, however, a call for units at 8:35 pm to be aware that the BCC game was letting out. Then the first call about the assault was at 8:38 pm.

I checked the dispatch logs. 7:59pm there was a missing/runaway person -- that got a Priority 1, and didnt clear until 10:11pm. The robbery call (4800 block of Bethesda Ave) was at 9:06am and got the highest response (0).

There was also a theft at Montgomery Mall at 8:50pm (Pri2), and a disturbance/nuisance (Pri1) also at the mall at 8:51pm. They were also dealing with a pedestrian stuck on Sangamore Lan at 6:28pm that didn't clear until 8:50pm.

When did the fight occur exactly?

Thank you for reporting. This is a horrendous lack of planning and coordination between 2D commander and MCPS. As someone posted upstream, this is at least the third year with fights breaking out after this game. And it happens at other schools too. Our Council Members Friedson and Stewart were on ridealongs and got to see the response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boys in fatherless homes do less well in life. They have plenty to rage about, including their single mothers with little if any authority, and her various boyfriends.

Absentee/ part time fathers can never be equal to a strong, loving and disciplined father in the home.

Kids who grow up with parents who are judgmental, angry and like to criticize other families tend to do very poorly when they grow up. I feel so bad for kids who have parents like the one above, they are going to grow up so messed up. It's really sad that they don't have a loving mother who demonstrates respect for other people and understanding of different circumstances.

This is a parenting issue regardless of the home situation. There were at least a dozen, if not more kids involved and given that there would be multiple family situations, all of which the parents failed to supervise and discipline their kids. MCPS should require parents to attend the football games or at least require the parents to pick them up if the kids cannot act responsibly. These incidents are happening far to frequently and if they are off MCPS property, MCPS cannot be blamed and parents need to be held accountable for their kids behaviors.

For all you know, the kids involved were never even actually at the game.

That is very true, and if so, then it really has nothing to do with MCPS. Especially given the timing.

If they are MCPS students harming other MCPS students, even if it’s outside of school grounds, it has to do with MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced that parents are primarily to blame. Several have pointed the finger at lackadaisical parenting skills as a reason for the melee last night. These students are up against a culture that promotes entitlement and disrespect for authority that has been fueled by the pandemic-related events of 2020-2022.

A culture of entitlement and disrespect for authority starts at home. This has nothing to do with the pandemic and kids have been back in school for over two years now. Stop blaming the pandemic for bad parenting. Kids don't get this way overnight. This was many years in the doing, prior to covid and they know they can do it as there is no supervision or consequences at home. MCPS should require a parent or legal guardian to attend these games or close them to the public if students cannot behave without that level of supervision. But, even so, this happened off MCPS property so those "kids" were under the supervision of their parents so ultimately the parents failed somewhere and this didn't just happen 3 years ago. Plenty of kids DON'T behave this way and also went through the pandemic.

Your post is so opinionated and judgmental. Any experienced parent, or wise adult in general, knows that of course parenting matters but it's not everything. Kids are born with certain genetics that you can't always control. Or there are circumstances that you can't control. Experiences that they go through that you can't control. Plenty of well parented kids grow up to have many issues. And plenty of poorly parented kids grow up to be perfectly well adjusted and successful.

We all wish we could point the finger at someone for everything, but the reality is that you can't.

You really want to argue all of those kids are special needs and cannot be controlled. Then they should be in a residential program, like RICA or another program if the parents cannot handle them. Bottomline is where were the parents. They weren't supervising their kids after the football game and the kids violently attacked another. When your kids dress in all black and put masks over their faces, as a parent, that's not a red flag to you?

These are high school kids. Let's say, ages 14-18. Do you think it's inappropriate for kids aged 14-18 to be out in downtown Bethesda on a Friday evening without a parent?

Definitely yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boys in fatherless homes do less well in life. They have plenty to rage about, including their single mothers with little if any authority, and her various boyfriends.

Absentee/ part time fathers can never be equal to a strong, loving and disciplined father in the home.

Kids who grow up with parents who are judgmental, angry and like to criticize other families tend to do very poorly when they grow up. I feel so bad for kids who have parents like the one above, they are going to grow up so messed up. It's really sad that they don't have a loving mother who demonstrates respect for other people and understanding of different circumstances.

This is a parenting issue regardless of the home situation. There were at least a dozen, if not more kids involved and given that there would be multiple family situations, all of which the parents failed to supervise and discipline their kids. MCPS should require parents to attend the football games or at least require the parents to pick them up if the kids cannot act responsibly. These incidents are happening far to frequently and if they are off MCPS property, MCPS cannot be blamed and parents need to be held accountable for their kids behaviors.

For all you know, the kids involved were never even actually at the game.

That is very true, and if so, then it really has nothing to do with MCPS. Especially given the timing.

If they are MCPS students harming other MCPS students, even if it’s outside of school grounds, it has to do with MCPS.

If they are MCPS students harming anyone, even if it's outside of school grounds, it has to do with MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was at the game and security seemed very good. Student fans were in dedicated sections at opposite ends of the stadium. WJ student fans left just before game ended, and BCC student fans asked to stay after for 15 mins and performance of (terrific) student dance group. Plenty of security on site.

I disagree and was also at the game. I left slightly early along with many kids. It was pretty clear that MoCo needed much more police presence on the street by that point.

Not enough police anymore to provide necessary security.

My child was at the game and hanging out in Bethesdalast night. She said there were tons of police officers everywhere around Bethesda Row. The problem here isn’t a lack of officers but perhaps too many on the Bethesda Row side and not enough by the metro, where there have been fights before.

They were dealing with a robbery over there around the same time. The problem isn’t the police. It’s the kids.

Which store was robbed?

A person got robbed of their bike.

There is nothing about this on District 2 (Bethesda) dispatch radio. There was, however, a call for units at 8:35 pm to be aware that the BCC game was letting out. Then the first call about the assault was at 8:38 pm.

I checked the dispatch logs. 7:59pm there was a missing/runaway person -- that got a Priority 1, and didnt clear until 10:11pm. The robbery call (4800 block of Bethesda Ave) was at 9:06am and got the highest response (0).

There was also a theft at Montgomery Mall at 8:50pm (Pri2), and a disturbance/nuisance (Pri1) also at the mall at 8:51pm. They were also dealing with a pedestrian stuck on Sangamore Lan at 6:28pm that didn't clear until 8:50pm.

When did the fight occur exactly?

Thank you for reporting. This is a horrendous lack of planning and coordination between 2D commander and MCPS. As someone posted upstream, this is at least the third year with fights breaking out after this game. And it happens at other schools too. Our Council Members Friedson and Stewart were on ridealongs and got to see the response.

At 8:35 pm, there was a call for units to be aware that the BCC game was about to let out downtown. The call for the assault was 3 minutes later (8:38 pm). When did the game end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced that parents are primarily to blame. Several have pointed the finger at lackadaisical parenting skills as a reason for the melee last night. These students are up against a culture that promotes entitlement and disrespect for authority that has been fueled by the pandemic-related events of 2020-2022.

A culture of entitlement and disrespect for authority starts at home. This has nothing to do with the pandemic and kids have been back in school for over two years now. Stop blaming the pandemic for bad parenting. Kids don't get this way overnight. This was many years in the doing, prior to covid and they know they can do it as there is no supervision or consequences at home. MCPS should require a parent or legal guardian to attend these games or close them to the public if students cannot behave without that level of supervision. But, even so, this happened off MCPS property so those "kids" were under the supervision of their parents so ultimately the parents failed somewhere and this didn't just happen 3 years ago. Plenty of kids DON'T behave this way and also went through the pandemic.

Your post is so opinionated and judgmental. Any experienced parent, or wise adult in general, knows that of course parenting matters but it's not everything. Kids are born with certain genetics that you can't always control. Or there are circumstances that you can't control. Experiences that they go through that you can't control. Plenty of well parented kids grow up to have many issues. And plenty of poorly parented kids grow up to be perfectly well adjusted and successful.

We all wish we could point the finger at someone for everything, but the reality is that you can't.

You really want to argue all of those kids are special needs and cannot be controlled. Then they should be in a residential program, like RICA or another program if the parents cannot handle them. Bottomline is where were the parents. They weren't supervising their kids after the football game and the kids violently attacked another. When your kids dress in all black and put masks over their faces, as a parent, that's not a red flag to you?

These are high school kids. Let's say, ages 14-18. Do you think it's inappropriate for kids aged 14-18 to be out in downtown Bethesda on a Friday evening without a parent?

Definitely yes

You think it's inappropriate for kids aged 14-18 to be out in downtown Bethesda on a Friday evening without a parent? Where did you grow up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced that parents are primarily to blame. Several have pointed the finger at lackadaisical parenting skills as a reason for the melee last night. These students are up against a culture that promotes entitlement and disrespect for authority that has been fueled by the pandemic-related events of 2020-2022.

A culture of entitlement and disrespect for authority starts at home. This has nothing to do with the pandemic and kids have been back in school for over two years now. Stop blaming the pandemic for bad parenting. Kids don't get this way overnight. This was many years in the doing, prior to covid and they know they can do it as there is no supervision or consequences at home. MCPS should require a parent or legal guardian to attend these games or close them to the public if students cannot behave without that level of supervision. But, even so, this happened off MCPS property so those "kids" were under the supervision of their parents so ultimately the parents failed somewhere and this didn't just happen 3 years ago. Plenty of kids DON'T behave this way and also went through the pandemic.

Your post is so opinionated and judgmental. Any experienced parent, or wise adult in general, knows that of course parenting matters but it's not everything. Kids are born with certain genetics that you can't always control. Or there are circumstances that you can't control. Experiences that they go through that you can't control. Plenty of well parented kids grow up to have many issues. And plenty of poorly parented kids grow up to be perfectly well adjusted and successful.

We all wish we could point the finger at someone for everything, but the reality is that you can't.

You really want to argue all of those kids are special needs and cannot be controlled. Then they should be in a residential program, like RICA or another program if the parents cannot handle them. Bottomline is where were the parents. They weren't supervising their kids after the football game and the kids violently attacked another. When your kids dress in all black and put masks over their faces, as a parent, that's not a red flag to you?

These are high school kids. Let's say, ages 14-18. Do you think it's inappropriate for kids aged 14-18 to be out in downtown Bethesda on a Friday evening without a parent?

Definitely yes

You’re nuts