Fight btw BCC & WJ students after game @ 8:30 Friday night

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If this how kids who attend two of the “better” high schools in MCPS behave, can’t imagine what a mess the rest of MCPS is. But this is what you get when you put people in senior positions who constantly make excuses for bad conduct and don’t believe in high standards.

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Some are trying to make the argument that kids from both schools were attacked. Don’t get this twisted. Kids from BCC were attacked… by kids from BCC because they thought they were WJ students. There were not swarms of WJ kids hunting down BCC kids. There absolutely was swarms of BCC (and some that were probably from elsewhere) hunting WJ students. I know we always want to assign equal blame. But that is not the case here. WJ students were attacked for the sole mistake of not evacuating the area (a town they also live in) when they left the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the guy who got kicked has broken ribs.
There is a problem with crime in Montgomery County and you can thank Ehrlich and rhe far left progressives for giving away your hard built lives to people who didn't earn it

The low IQ Trumpanzee couldn’t hold it in. Focus on Trump advocating violence and that he deserves to be in jail.

I'm the pp you're calling a trumpanzee.
I've voted Democrat in every election beginning with AL gore.
Ans I'm still not voting republican. But people like you who equate any ripple in the force as "must be a trump voter! Must be a racist! Cancel! Cancel!" Will be the ruin of this county.
People learn something when they work for what they earn. All people deserve basic human rights but there's a big difference between that and allowing thugs to roam our classroom, push our teachers out with their horrible behavior, beat up on our kids and seem hell bent on having our stores shut down because they're looting our neighborhoods.
You can't let your kids walk around outside. Kids aren't safe in school. Packages arent safe on your doorstep. Your mail isnt safe in the box overnight. This isn't the place we moved to 20 years ago and you're to blame.
The Democratic party isn't a cult like the other side is. You're allowed to criticize the leaders who are failing us.
I'm assuming you have some mental problems and are as bad as the other side in terms of just blindly following a cult of personality- in your case- the cult of ideals. But the policies aren't working.

DP here and I fully agree. This is now why I'm registered as no party affiliation. If you talk about "crazy" ideas like prosecuting lawbreakers, you get branded a Trump supporter...

+1 also. DP. I also have been lifelong Dem but now an independent. Guess there are a lot of us.

The only thing this accomplishes is preventing yourself from being able to vote in the primary.

I thought about that. But if I wanted to vote in the primary, I’d have to register as GOP at this point. The lack of effective consequences for bad behavior which has incentivized bad behavior, the general scapegoating of police, the communist-like demand for equal outcomes regardless of merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Every WJ/BCC basketball and football game. Just means they'll impose more restrictions going forward.

It's just another strong indicator of MCPS decline when students at these schools act like gang members.

It’s likely because they ARE gang members.

Quite possibly.

Tell me you’ve always lived west of the park without….

Actually, no.

Are you familiar with gang issues in MoCo schools?

Yes. And have done the gang training multiple times.

To add - Some of those kids (not the attackers) appear super young. Please don’t ascribe adult attributes to children of color.

Kids can be evil too, just like these kids are. And they deserve to face every consequence for the despicable behavior. That child being ruthlessly beaten and kicked in the head is someone's kid too, a child who may now have brain damage for life. He and she absolutely deserve justice for what was done to them, and future citizens need to be protected from violent criminals who would beat them this senselessly too. Age is not a defense for this kind of savagery.

This. The BEHAVIOR is what matters, regardless of age. And the public/other children deserve to be protected from violent people. We often seem to want to only focus on the perp and not the victim or potential victims. And as parents we know, without consequences, the behavior is likely to repeat and escalate over time. If you care about the violent kids, denying and minimizing hurts them too. Condemns them to a life characterized by violence and perhaps early death or incarceration. Anti-social behavior is literally that.

+1 Well said. We are NOT helping kids have better lives by making light of aggressive and violent behavior.

Unpopular opinion: we are wasting time and money on violent kids. Lock them up so the rest of us can go about our business. Enough of this rehab crap.

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Anonymous wrote:If this how kids who attend two of the “better” high schools in MCPS behave, can’t imagine what a mess the rest of MCPS is. But this is what you get when you put people in senior positions who constantly make excuses for bad conduct and don’t believe in high standards.

Paint Branch High School (Home) 84
Northwood High School (Away) 0

Wootton High School (Home) 24
Poolesville High School (Away) 0

Seneca Valley High School (Home) 7
Churchill High School (Away) 27

Springbrook High School (Home) 12
Magruder High School (Away) 21

Damascus High School (Home) 44
Einstein High School (Away) 12

Blake High School (Home) 42
Whitman High School (Away) 0

Richard Montgomery High School (Home) 53
Kennedy High School (Away) 0

Gaithersburg High School (Home) 32
Clarksburg High School (Away) 12

Rockville High School (Home) 14
Sherwood High School (Away) 34

Watkins Mill High School (Home) 0
Northwest High School (Away) 47

Blair High School (Home) 45
Wheaton High School (Away) 6

https://mocoshow.com/blog/moco-high-school-sports-scores-9-1-23/

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Anonymous wrote:Boys in fatherless homes do less well in life. They have plenty to rage about, including their single mothers with little if any authority, and her various boyfriends.

Absentee/ part time fathers can never be equal to a strong, loving and disciplined father in the home.

Kids who grow up with parents who are judgmental, angry and like to criticize other families tend to do very poorly when they grow up. I feel so bad for kids who have parents like the one above, they are going to grow up so messed up. It's really sad that they don't have a loving mother who demonstrates respect for other people and understanding of different circumstances.

This is a parenting issue regardless of the home situation. There were at least a dozen, if not more kids involved and given that there would be multiple family situations, all of which the parents failed to supervise and discipline their kids. MCPS should require parents to attend the football games or at least require the parents to pick them up if the kids cannot act responsibly. These incidents are happening far to frequently and if they are off MCPS property, MCPS cannot be blamed and parents need to be held accountable for their kids behaviors.

For all you know, the kids involved were never even actually at the game.

That is very true, and if so, then it really has nothing to do with MCPS. Especially given the timing.

If they are MCPS students harming other MCPS students, even if it’s outside of school grounds, it has to do with MCPS.

Yes. Why can’t MCPS adopt the same rules that the private schools follow, which is basically if you do anything anytime anywhere while you are a student at our school, and it brings dishonor to the school, you risk expulsion.

Because private schools can choose their students and set conditions on being a student. Public schools can't deny providing education to a child for any reason.

That needs to change. If prisoners can earn college degrees in jail, criminal HS students can get their GEDs.

Juveniles for the most part can't be incarcerted in MD, thanks to youth criminal justice reform passed 2 years ago.

There used to be a separate school (Twain) for these troubled students, but MCPS shut it down in 2008:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/montgomery-to-close-full-day-program-for-emotionally-troubled-middle-high-schoolers

When I went to MCPS many ages ago, our taunt to each other was if you did something really bad, you'd end up in Twain.

This. And the kids know it so they know they can get away with all sorts of criminal behavior in and out of schools.

This is what we have all voted for over the past few decades in MoCo.

The Twain school was for kids with disabilities, not kids who are disruptive/criminals. There should be “alternative schools” for kids who disrupt other kids on a consistent basis, that do not require any sort of IEP/diagnosis. The Twain school, as far as I am aware, has been replaced by largely self-contained programs (Bridge and RICA) that actually have good reputations (head over to the SN board and ask). The other programs that are more mainstreamed are SESES and ESES, which also appear to provide good supports.

SESES at the HS where I teach is a mess. And that program only offers select contained classes so for some subjects, the SESES students get placed in regular classes with everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the guy who got kicked has broken ribs.
There is a problem with crime in Montgomery County and you can thank Ehrlich and rhe far left progressives for giving away your hard built lives to people who didn't earn it

The low IQ Trumpanzee couldn’t hold it in. Focus on Trump advocating violence and that he deserves to be in jail.

I'm the pp you're calling a trumpanzee.
I've voted Democrat in every election beginning with AL gore.
Ans I'm still not voting republican. But people like you who equate any ripple in the force as "must be a trump voter! Must be a racist! Cancel! Cancel!" Will be the ruin of this county.
People learn something when they work for what they earn. All people deserve basic human rights but there's a big difference between that and allowing thugs to roam our classroom, push our teachers out with their horrible behavior, beat up on our kids and seem hell bent on having our stores shut down because they're looting our neighborhoods.
You can't let your kids walk around outside. Kids aren't safe in school. Packages arent safe on your doorstep. Your mail isnt safe in the box overnight. This isn't the place we moved to 20 years ago and you're to blame.
The Democratic party isn't a cult like the other side is. You're allowed to criticize the leaders who are failing us.
I'm assuming you have some mental problems and are as bad as the other side in terms of just blindly following a cult of personality- in your case- the cult of ideals. But the policies aren't working.

DP here and I fully agree. This is now why I'm registered as no party affiliation. If you talk about "crazy" ideas like prosecuting lawbreakers, you get branded a Trump supporter...

+1 also. DP. I also have been lifelong Dem but now an independent. Guess there are a lot of us.

The only thing this accomplishes is preventing yourself from being able to vote in the primary.

I thought about that. But if I wanted to vote in the primary, I’d have to register as GOP at this point. The lack of effective consequences for bad behavior which has incentivized bad behavior, the general scapegoating of police, the communist-like demand for equal outcomes regardless of merit.

The insistence on teaching controversial topics rather than focusing on academics, the prolonged in-person school closure which harmed URMs the most, the encouraging of a victim mindset for URMs which keeps them down rather than rising up, the lack of securing our southern border which is most unfair to the border states, I could go on. I used to live in a border state, and it is easy for people up north to think the endless flood of migrants is no big deal. I am not a fan of the radical right either. Guess we have to pick our poison.

[Anonymous]

People are acting as if teenagers fighting is new or unique to MCPS. It is so common that it appears in entertainment m, such as “The Outsiders” and “West Side Story”. If the non-woke policies of the 1950’s didn’t stop it, why are people suggesting that the cause is the woke policies of the 2000’s?

In my day, the 1980’s, when there was a dispute between groups of teenagers we would settle it by having a ski race.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every WJ/BCC basketball and football game. Just means they'll impose more restrictions going forward.

It's just another strong indicator of MCPS decline when students at these schools act like gang members.

It’s likely because they ARE gang members.

Quite possibly.

Tell me you’ve always lived west of the park without….

Actually, no.

Are you familiar with gang issues in MoCo schools?

Yes. And have done the gang training multiple times.

To add - Some of those kids (not the attackers) appear super young. Please don’t ascribe adult attributes to children of color.

Kids can be evil too, just like these kids are. And they deserve to face every consequence for the despicable behavior. That child being ruthlessly beaten and kicked in the head is someone's kid too, a child who may now have brain damage for life. He and she absolutely deserve justice for what was done to them, and future citizens need to be protected from violent criminals who would beat them this senselessly too. Age is not a defense for this kind of savagery.

This. The BEHAVIOR is what matters, regardless of age. And the public/other children deserve to be protected from violent people. We often seem to want to only focus on the perp and not the victim or potential victims. And as parents we know, without consequences, the behavior is likely to repeat and escalate over time. If you care about the violent kids, denying and minimizing hurts them too. Condemns them to a life characterized by violence and perhaps early death or incarceration. Anti-social behavior is literally that.

+1 Well said. We are NOT helping kids have better lives by making light of aggressive and violent behavior.

Unpopular opinion: we are wasting time and money on violent kids. Lock them up so the rest of us can go about our business. Enough of this rehab crap.

Yeah that's an unpopular opinion because it's ignorant and inhumane. The easy thing to do is to lock children up when they create problems for the rest of us. The harder thing to do is to understand that the reasons behind this type of violence are very complex. Kids to do this kind of thing are often victims of abuse themselves. We have so much data and research and evidence now to understand that "locking children up "is brutal and simply doesn't work. Punishment is appropriate in this situation. But your stupid comment about locking them up so the rest of us can get on with our business is exactly why we continue to have problems like this. But people like you just don't get it.