Fight btw BCC & WJ students after game @ 8:30 Friday night

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Anonymous wrote:They should fire a couple teachers for good measure

Ha ha. Mooney is having a bad week. The Washington Post has an article on the front page of the metro section about the BCC teacher who is suing him and MCPS

Link? I just searched and didn’t find it.

Look for the headline “Montgomery teacher alleges in a lawsuit he was falsely accused of racism”

I was a brown kid in school in the late 1980s and got told by my teachers that I looked like other brown kids (who looked nothing like me except that we were all brown). I was delighted to receive Mooney’s email last school year and learn that teachers are not supposed to say those things.

I’m not sure if this has already been addressed, but it was shortly after the start of the new semester and the teacher told students who wanted to not sit in their assigned seats that they couldn’t because he was still learning everyone’s names and wasn’t yet able to tell the students in his new classes apart because he was using the seating chart to do so.

I am not dismissing the pain, embarrassment, and racism inherent in the historical misidentification of people of color. I am pointing out the Mooney did not properly handle this situation and called the teacher racist in a formal community letter before actually fully investigating what happened.

Yes, I read the WaPo article and disagree with you. Saying, I need to use a seating chart to learn your names is not the same thing as saying I can’t tell you people apart so you need to sit in your assigned seat.

Unfortunately teachers in our high school need to work on class behavior management techniques. I wish it were not true. But that doesn’t excuse saying what he said to get kids in their seats.

You clearly did not understand the article .

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the result of the pandemic or the removal of SROs -- at least those factors cannot bear the entire blame.
Maybe it's time these schools stop playing each other.

This was the note sent in January 2020:

Dear Walter Johnson High School and Bethesda-Chevy Chase Community Members,

We wanted to alert our communities that after the basketball game at B-CC there were several altercations among the students. Both schools had administrators, security and police present. Despite these measures, altercations still broke out on and off campus, eventually resulting in three arrests. We believe these incidents were a continuation of vandalism on both campuses earlier in the week. Apparently, B-CC students spray painted the WJ shed that the seniors paint as a tradition going into their senior year. In retaliation, apparently WJ students spray painted the brick building and the school’s electronic sign at B-CC. These acts resulted in thousands of dollars of damage to the schools and a full police investigation. These acts are all completely unacceptable and both schools will work collaboratively to determine the facts and administer appropriate consequences. At any school event safety is our top concern and our expectation is always that students will follow all school rules and laws in order to assure they are able to enjoy school events with their peers. Please speak to your children about the importance of school rules and their key role in helping all school events be fun, safe and enjoyable activities.

Sincerely,
Shelton Mooney
Acting Principal, Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School

Jennifer Baker
Principal, Walter Johnson High School

Interesting how Whitman manages to avoid this insanity. They are a Bethesda school as well.

Whitman kids are actually pretty tough and street smart. I feel bad for the WJ kid who probably had no idea what to expect and didnt realize he would be singled out. Whitman kids largely dont hang out with any other Montgomery county schools and are aware of some of the animus directed at them. When you see Whitman kids fighting it's mostly 1 on 1 (as it should be). What's sad is that this WJ student was unaware of what he was heading into. He should have been carrying pepper spray and his parents should have informed him of the risks before heading into this. The whole thing is so terrifically sad.

Whitman has issues too: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/first-on-fox-5-student-arrested-in-churchill-knife-incident-disrupted-a-football-game-the-week-before-police

Never said it's a perfect place but it doesn't counteract anything else I just said... they are tough and street smart in a way the kids from the outer exurbs simply arent.

Whitman is not ... but keep telling yourself that. It is the richest school in the area and many things get swept under the table as parents can afford the best lawyers to get them out of trouble. ALL MCPS high schools have issues, pick your poison.

Sure, I'm sure there's mass brawls and lots of head stomping happening at Whitman all the time and the rich/powerful parents just get it swept under the rug. Whatever you have to tell yourself. And "all schools have issues" is such a trite dismissal of the disgusting difference in behavior happening here. A few random kids fighting one on one or individual bad kids causing issues is EXTREMELY different from a large mob comprised of multiple students teaming up on one child. The fact that you seem so desperate to deny these differences it's what's fascinating...

Did you look at the videos. There were multiple attacks, not just one. A girl got attacked by another girl.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the result of the pandemic or the removal of SROs -- at least those factors cannot bear the entire blame.
Maybe it's time these schools stop playing each other.

This was the note sent in January 2020:

Dear Walter Johnson High School and Bethesda-Chevy Chase Community Members,

We wanted to alert our communities that after the basketball game at B-CC there were several altercations among the students. Both schools had administrators, security and police present. Despite these measures, altercations still broke out on and off campus, eventually resulting in three arrests. We believe these incidents were a continuation of vandalism on both campuses earlier in the week. Apparently, B-CC students spray painted the WJ shed that the seniors paint as a tradition going into their senior year. In retaliation, apparently WJ students spray painted the brick building and the school’s electronic sign at B-CC. These acts resulted in thousands of dollars of damage to the schools and a full police investigation. These acts are all completely unacceptable and both schools will work collaboratively to determine the facts and administer appropriate consequences. At any school event safety is our top concern and our expectation is always that students will follow all school rules and laws in order to assure they are able to enjoy school events with their peers. Please speak to your children about the importance of school rules and their key role in helping all school events be fun, safe and enjoyable activities.

Sincerely,
Shelton Mooney
Acting Principal, Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School

Jennifer Baker
Principal, Walter Johnson High School

Interesting how Whitman manages to avoid this insanity. They are a Bethesda school as well.

Whitman kids are actually pretty tough and street smart. I feel bad for the WJ kid who probably had no idea what to expect and didnt realize he would be singled out. Whitman kids largely dont hang out with any other Montgomery county schools and are aware of some of the animus directed at them. When you see Whitman kids fighting it's mostly 1 on 1 (as it should be). What's sad is that this WJ student was unaware of what he was heading into. He should have been carrying pepper spray and his parents should have informed him of the risks before heading into this. The whole thing is so terrifically sad.

Whitman has issues too: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/first-on-fox-5-student-arrested-in-churchill-knife-incident-disrupted-a-football-game-the-week-before-police

Never said it's a perfect place but it doesn't counteract anything else I just said... they are tough and street smart in a way the kids from the outer exurbs simply arent.

Whitman is not ... but keep telling yourself that. It is the richest school in the area and many things get swept under the table as parents can afford the best lawyers to get them out of trouble. ALL MCPS high schools have issues, pick your poison.

Sure, I'm sure there's mass brawls and lots of head stomping happening at Whitman all the time and the rich/powerful parents just get it swept under the rug. Whatever you have to tell yourself. And "all schools have issues" is such a trite dismissal of the disgusting difference in behavior happening here. A few random kids fighting one on one or individual bad kids causing issues is EXTREMELY different from a large mob comprised of multiple students teaming up on one child. The fact that you seem so desperate to deny these differences it's what's fascinating...

Did you look at the videos. There were multiple attacks, not just one. A girl got attacked by another girl.

That's.... exactly the point? Are you confused about who you're responding to?

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the guy who got kicked has broken ribs.
There is a problem with crime in Montgomery County and you can thank Ehrlich and rhe far left progressives for giving away your hard built lives to people who didn't earn it

The low IQ Trumpanzee couldn’t hold it in. Focus on Trump advocating violence and that he deserves to be in jail.

I'm the pp you're calling a trumpanzee.
I've voted Democrat in every election beginning with AL gore.
Ans I'm still not voting republican. But people like you who equate any ripple in the force as "must be a trump voter! Must be a racist! Cancel! Cancel!" Will be the ruin of this county.
People learn something when they work for what they earn. All people deserve basic human rights but there's a big difference between that and allowing thugs to roam our classroom, push our teachers out with their horrible behavior, beat up on our kids and seem hell bent on having our stores shut down because they're looting our neighborhoods.
You can't let your kids walk around outside. Kids aren't safe in school. Packages arent safe on your doorstep. Your mail isnt safe in the box overnight. This isn't the place we moved to 20 years ago and you're to blame.
The Democratic party isn't a cult like the other side is. You're allowed to criticize the leaders who are failing us.
I'm assuming you have some mental problems and are as bad as the other side in terms of just blindly following a cult of personality- in your case- the cult of ideals. But the policies aren't working.

DP here and I fully agree. This is now why I'm registered as no party affiliation. If you talk about "crazy" ideas like prosecuting lawbreakers, you get branded a Trump supporter...

+1 also. DP. I also have been lifelong Dem but now an independent. Guess there are a lot of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the result of the pandemic or the removal of SROs -- at least those factors cannot bear the entire blame.
Maybe it's time these schools stop playing each other.

This was the note sent in January 2020:

Dear Walter Johnson High School and Bethesda-Chevy Chase Community Members,

We wanted to alert our communities that after the basketball game at B-CC there were several altercations among the students. Both schools had administrators, security and police present. Despite these measures, altercations still broke out on and off campus, eventually resulting in three arrests. We believe these incidents were a continuation of vandalism on both campuses earlier in the week. Apparently, B-CC students spray painted the WJ shed that the seniors paint as a tradition going into their senior year. In retaliation, apparently WJ students spray painted the brick building and the school’s electronic sign at B-CC. These acts resulted in thousands of dollars of damage to the schools and a full police investigation. These acts are all completely unacceptable and both schools will work collaboratively to determine the facts and administer appropriate consequences. At any school event safety is our top concern and our expectation is always that students will follow all school rules and laws in order to assure they are able to enjoy school events with their peers. Please speak to your children about the importance of school rules and their key role in helping all school events be fun, safe and enjoyable activities.

Sincerely,
Shelton Mooney
Acting Principal, Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School

Jennifer Baker
Principal, Walter Johnson High School

Interesting how Whitman manages to avoid this insanity. They are a Bethesda school as well.

Whitman kids are actually pretty tough and street smart. I feel bad for the WJ kid who probably had no idea what to expect and didnt realize he would be singled out. Whitman kids largely dont hang out with any other Montgomery county schools and are aware of some of the animus directed at them. When you see Whitman kids fighting it's mostly 1 on 1 (as it should be). What's sad is that this WJ student was unaware of what he was heading into. He should have been carrying pepper spray and his parents should have informed him of the risks before heading into this. The whole thing is so terrifically sad.

Whitman has issues too: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/first-on-fox-5-student-arrested-in-churchill-knife-incident-disrupted-a-football-game-the-week-before-police

Never said it's a perfect place but it doesn't counteract anything else I just said... they are tough and street smart in a way the kids from the outer exurbs simply arent.

When they decided to change the school boundaries to be more inclusive, they didn't care about including a class of street smart thugs into upir children's lives..no Umc or rich girls throw punches in a split stance like that. They don't grow up in homes like that.

Is this a place you would move to all over again?

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Anonymous wrote:There's at least one other video circulating on Instagram of the events - it's longer than the one posted at the top of this thread and it show multiple people on the ground being kicked and stomped. The video shows a pretty big crowd - 20 people at least including a number of girls who are throwing punches and stomping someone. Some of the assailants can be clearly identified. The police and school authorities should have lots of evidence. It sounds like the schools did a lot to try to prevent this from happening; maybe they just need to ban student attendance at games altogether? It's outrageous.

Btw there was a BCC student last year who beat another student with a chair. It made the news and provoked a thread here at the time. One of my DCs graduated from BCC in May and I was shocked to hear the kid's name called for graduation - and he got huge cheers from the crowd. Despite the fact that he'd been violent repeatedly during his time at BCC. I have another kid still at BCC and I think it's a fantastic school in many ways. But there's something really wrong, obviously.

This is exactly the problem. Imagine being allowed to beat another student with a chair and graduate from that school.

There are no consequences for vile criminal behavior and that is directly the result of the school board.
People need to wake up.
If you care about nothing else you should at least care that bad schools drive property values down.

The in school incident is an mcps issue but this was not on mcps property and at the metro. This is a police issue and a parenting issue. Child should be arrested and charged as an adult. Mcps needs more security but mcps is not to blame for this if it is not on property.

Property values es are the least of my concern. Safety is. Maybe these things are happening as the parents are not focused on their kids and their behavior.

Get this through your head:
It ceases to become a parenting issue when it effects my children. Now it's a societal issue and I expect the system including both the schools and the police to protect my children.

I could give a flying fig less about thugs mom and dad issues.

You need to protect your own kids as if you are expecting others to it’s not going to happen. This did not happen at school and police cannot be everywhere.

The basic reason people elected to be governed and pay taxes was for protection. If you're okay with living in a county that doesn't understand metro need police protection after a rivalry game then you are part of the problem.

People who stayed silent about removing SROs, about demonizing all police and not just bad police, are a huge part of the problem. This county's leadership is hostile toward law enforcement and state leadership passed several laws that makes it almost impossible to question and arrest juveniles. Sadly, juveniles are committing a huge share of the violent crime. So where do we go from here?

This is exactly right. You wanted to strip law enforcement of their ability to police. Now you have it. There are consequences.

[Anonymous]

For those people quickly spouting off that these two schools shouldn't have sporting events or shouldn't be able to have spectators, there are many videos floating around. These were not groups of students fighting. These were ATTACKS by larger groups of individuals on mostly defenseless students. As others have said, once you move to stomping/kicking someone's head while they are on the ground...on concrete...it SHOULD be attempted murder!

More facts are coming out....students from BOTH schools were attacked. It was more about walking alone or with 1-2 others. Other students are reporting they were threatened/followed/taunted but made it to areas with larger police presence. Sadly, several individuals were cornered and not able to get away.

This is a police issue and criminal charges must be filed. The schools can certainly help with identification and provide disciplinary records that may contribute to determining patterns of behavior. As a parent who has many issues with MCPS, I can say that the rules in place AT the game were enforced and created a safe environment.

I'm confident that many in these mobs of individuals attacking others did not attend the game. I'm also sure a percentage don't even attend BCC and were in the area with friends for the purpose of creating havoc!

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Anonymous wrote:There's at least one other video circulating on Instagram of the events - it's longer than the one posted at the top of this thread and it show multiple people on the ground being kicked and stomped. The video shows a pretty big crowd - 20 people at least including a number of girls who are throwing punches and stomping someone. Some of the assailants can be clearly identified. The police and school authorities should have lots of evidence. It sounds like the schools did a lot to try to prevent this from happening; maybe they just need to ban student attendance at games altogether? It's outrageous.

Btw there was a BCC student last year who beat another student with a chair. It made the news and provoked a thread here at the time. One of my DCs graduated from BCC in May and I was shocked to hear the kid's name called for graduation - and he got huge cheers from the crowd. Despite the fact that he'd been violent repeatedly during his time at BCC. I have another kid still at BCC and I think it's a fantastic school in many ways. But there's something really wrong, obviously.

This is exactly the problem. Imagine being allowed to beat another student with a chair and graduate from that school.

There are no consequences for vile criminal behavior and that is directly the result of the school board.
People need to wake up.
If you care about nothing else you should at least care that bad schools drive property values down.

I have had my son attacked at an MCPS middle school just walking down the hall. Someone thought he might be gay. He was assaulted. He told his friends. When called in to the counselor, the assailant got lunch detention for several days. My son got one day of lunch detention for telling his friends. He told me, “It wasn’t that bad. I felt safe in that room they put me in alone.” My son was also told to try and befriend the bully so he wouldn’t be so angry. So they told a 12 yr old to essentially beg the bully to forgive him for existing.

This is not uncommon at MCPS. I don’t know who is responsible for the soft response to violence in schools but it appears that schools are powerless to protect our kids. The bad kids know there are no consequences.

I also have a child at BCC. The principal seems well intentioned but powerless.

That’s absurd that your kid got detention for telling a friend and say to be friends.

On what grounds do you get detention for telling your friends you got attacked?

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Anonymous wrote:For those people quickly spouting off that these two schools shouldn't have sporting events or shouldn't be able to have spectators, there are many videos floating around. These were not groups of students fighting. These were ATTACKS by larger groups of individuals on mostly defenseless students. As others have said, once you move to stomping/kicking someone's head while they are on the ground...on concrete...it SHOULD be attempted murder!

More facts are coming out....students from BOTH schools were attacked. It was more about walking alone or with 1-2 others. Other students are reporting they were threatened/followed/taunted but made it to areas with larger police presence. Sadly, several individuals were cornered and not able to get away.

This is a police issue and criminal charges must be filed. The schools can certainly help with identification and provide disciplinary records that may contribute to determining patterns of behavior. As a parent who has many issues with MCPS, I can say that the rules in place AT the game were enforced and created a safe environment.

I'm confident that many in these mobs of individuals attacking others did not attend the game. I'm also sure a percentage don't even attend BCC and were in the area with friends for the purpose of creating havoc!

This is by far the most reasonable post in recent pages. Agree fully with everything you’ve said.
—WJ parent, Mcps teacher in BCC cluster

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Anonymous wrote:They should fire a couple teachers for good measure

Ha ha. Mooney is having a bad week. The Washington Post has an article on the front page of the metro section about the BCC teacher who is suing him and MCPS

Link? I just searched and didn’t find it.

Look for the headline “Montgomery teacher alleges in a lawsuit he was falsely accused of racism”

I was a brown kid in school in the late 1980s and got told by my teachers that I looked like other brown kids (who looked nothing like me except that we were all brown). I was delighted to receive Mooney’s email last school year and learn that teachers are not supposed to say those things.

I’m not sure if this has already been addressed, but it was shortly after the start of the new semester and the teacher told students who wanted to not sit in their assigned seats that they couldn’t because he was still learning everyone’s names and wasn’t yet able to tell the students in his new classes apart because he was using the seating chart to do so.

I am not dismissing the pain, embarrassment, and racism inherent in the historical misidentification of people of color. I am pointing out the Mooney did not properly handle this situation and called the teacher racist in a formal community letter before actually fully investigating what happened.

Yes, I read the WaPo article and disagree with you. Saying, I need to use a seating chart to learn your names is not the same thing as saying I can’t tell you people apart so you need to sit in your assigned seat.

Unfortunately teachers in our high school need to work on class behavior management techniques. I wish it were not true. But that doesn’t excuse saying what he said to get kids in their seats.

Ridiculous!!! A teacher should be able to tell students, all students, to sit in their assigned seat. The student was wrong to not listen to the teacher. Turning this into a racism argument is ridiculous abuse to get away without accountability. The teacher said I need to learn everyone’s name and this is how I do it. He doesn’t have to excuse himself for anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the guy who got kicked has broken ribs.
There is a problem with crime in Montgomery County and you can thank Ehrlich and rhe far left progressives for giving away your hard built lives to people who didn't earn it

The low IQ Trumpanzee couldn’t hold it in. Focus on Trump advocating violence and that he deserves to be in jail.

I'm the pp you're calling a trumpanzee.
I've voted Democrat in every election beginning with AL gore.
Ans I'm still not voting republican. But people like you who equate any ripple in the force as "must be a trump voter! Must be a racist! Cancel! Cancel!" Will be the ruin of this county.
People learn something when they work for what they earn. All people deserve basic human rights but there's a big difference between that and allowing thugs to roam our classroom, push our teachers out with their horrible behavior, beat up on our kids and seem hell bent on having our stores shut down because they're looting our neighborhoods.
You can't let your kids walk around outside. Kids aren't safe in school. Packages arent safe on your doorstep. Your mail isnt safe in the box overnight. This isn't the place we moved to 20 years ago and you're to blame.
The Democratic party isn't a cult like the other side is. You're allowed to criticize the leaders who are failing us.
I'm assuming you have some mental problems and are as bad as the other side in terms of just blindly following a cult of personality- in your case- the cult of ideals. But the policies aren't working.

As a longtime dem who now views himself as an independent (even though my opinions haven’t changed that much) I’ll have to disagree with this. The Democratic Party is every bit the cult the GOP is.

[Anonymous]

Links to these other Instagram videos???

[Anonymous]

Has anyone heard from their kids that they know who the assailants are? I don’t want the names posted — I’m just wondering if the assailants were generally known to the kids who were downtown or who saw the video. I’ve seen a couple of the videos and I think it’s going to be difficult to identify the kids just from that so I think it willl likely need some kids who were downtown making an ID.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the guy who got kicked has broken ribs.
There is a problem with crime in Montgomery County and you can thank Ehrlich and rhe far left progressives for giving away your hard built lives to people who didn't earn it

The low IQ Trumpanzee couldn’t hold it in. Focus on Trump advocating violence and that he deserves to be in jail.

I'm the pp you're calling a trumpanzee.
I've voted Democrat in every election beginning with AL gore.
Ans I'm still not voting republican. But people like you who equate any ripple in the force as "must be a trump voter! Must be a racist! Cancel! Cancel!" Will be the ruin of this county.
People learn something when they work for what they earn. All people deserve basic human rights but there's a big difference between that and allowing thugs to roam our classroom, push our teachers out with their horrible behavior, beat up on our kids and seem hell bent on having our stores shut down because they're looting our neighborhoods.
You can't let your kids walk around outside. Kids aren't safe in school. Packages arent safe on your doorstep. Your mail isnt safe in the box overnight. This isn't the place we moved to 20 years ago and you're to blame.
The Democratic party isn't a cult like the other side is. You're allowed to criticize the leaders who are failing us.
I'm assuming you have some mental problems and are as bad as the other side in terms of just blindly following a cult of personality- in your case- the cult of ideals. But the policies aren't working.

As a longtime dem who now views himself as an independent (even though my opinions haven’t changed that much) I’ll have to disagree with this. The Democratic Party is every bit the cult the GOP is.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the guy who got kicked has broken ribs.
There is a problem with crime in Montgomery County and you can thank Ehrlich and rhe far left progressives for giving away your hard built lives to people who didn't earn it

The low IQ Trumpanzee couldn’t hold it in. Focus on Trump advocating violence and that he deserves to be in jail.

I'm the pp you're calling a trumpanzee.
I've voted Democrat in every election beginning with AL gore.
Ans I'm still not voting republican. But people like you who equate any ripple in the force as "must be a trump voter! Must be a racist! Cancel! Cancel!" Will be the ruin of this county.
People learn something when they work for what they earn. All people deserve basic human rights but there's a big difference between that and allowing thugs to roam our classroom, push our teachers out with their horrible behavior, beat up on our kids and seem hell bent on having our stores shut down because they're looting our neighborhoods.
You can't let your kids walk around outside. Kids aren't safe in school. Packages arent safe on your doorstep. Your mail isnt safe in the box overnight. This isn't the place we moved to 20 years ago and you're to blame.
The Democratic party isn't a cult like the other side is. You're allowed to criticize the leaders who are failing us.
I'm assuming you have some mental problems and are as bad as the other side in terms of just blindly following a cult of personality- in your case- the cult of ideals. But the policies aren't working.

DP here and I fully agree. This is now why I'm registered as no party affiliation. If you talk about "crazy" ideas like prosecuting lawbreakers, you get branded a Trump supporter...

The people hurt the most by progressive politics are those most vulnerability. There's nothing progressive about ir.
I'm going to take a cue from you and change my affiliation as well

Same, as a lifelong D and former worker in D politics. The status quo is insane and very destructive to kids who are having antisocial behavior enabled rather than experience consequences. The attempts to suppress speech with slurs and name calling are vile (and I used to work for ACLU at one point). To equate poverty with criminality insults millions of hardworking and law abiding people, many of whom are preyed upon, esp construction workers and landscapers who have valuables on them.