Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to have zero impact on Columbia's popularity or reputation you realize.

+1. Columbia will always be an ivy because it was in the original football league. It will always be popular because it’s in NYC. It is highly respected internationally as a top-tier research institution.

NYU only has the NYC part and isn’t going to jump into the MS part of HYPMS anytime soon, if ever.

Love the school you attended and resist this pathetic compulsion to bash other schools in some pathetic climb up the USNWR ladder.

You’re welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:All good about GS and happy for you, but don’t cheat on ranking.

That's the point.

Columbia had someone internally who exposed the class size and PhD prof issues (NOT GS, you need to stop trashing them when they aren’t even the issue). Columbia hasn’t fired him.

Meanwhile USNWR can’t verify 80% of what colleges tell them, according to the same prof.

So you know ALL or NEARLY ALL colleges are cheating. This is undoubtedly going on everywhere.

Ergo the USNWR rankings are garbage.

That’s the point.

Most of US colleges are cheating, that sounds disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:All good about GS and happy for you, but don’t cheat on ranking.

That's the point.

Columbia had someone internally who exposed the class size and PhD prof issues (NOT GS, you need to stop trashing them when they aren’t even the issue). Columbia hasn’t fired him.

Meanwhile USNWR can’t verify 80% of what colleges tell them, according to the same prof.

So you know ALL or NEARLY ALL colleges are cheating. This is undoubtedly going on everywhere.

Ergo the USNWR rankings are garbage.

That’s the point.

Most of US colleges are cheating, that sounds disturbing.

I know, right? With USNWR unable to verify 80% of what goes into their rankings, it's the Wild West, a free-for-all. We only know about Columbia because one of their own exposed it. But how many other profs and administrators are too afraid to do this for their schools?

THAT'S the takeaway from this. Don't trust the USNWR rankings period.

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Anonymous wrote:All good about GS and happy for you, but don’t cheat on ranking.

That's the point.

Columbia had someone internally who exposed the class size and PhD prof issues (NOT GS, you need to stop trashing them when they aren’t even the issue). Columbia hasn’t fired him.

Meanwhile USNWR can’t verify 80% of what colleges tell them, according to the same prof.

So you know ALL or NEARLY ALL colleges are cheating. This is undoubtedly going on everywhere.

Ergo the USNWR rankings are garbage.

That’s the point.

Most of US colleges are cheating, that sounds disturbing.

I know, right? With USNWR unable to verify 80% of what goes into their rankings, it's the Wild West, a free-for-all. We only know about Columbia because one of their own exposed it. But how many other profs and administrators are too afraid to do this for their schools?

THAT'S the takeaway from this. Don't trust the USNWR rankings period.

There has been schools gotten caught cheating besides Columbia such as Emory, Berkeley, etc.
However I would like to believe that the highest educational institutions in the US by default don't cheat much.

USNWR ranking has been helpful for my kids to come up with a college list.
There are 3000+ colleges in the US, so wee need some good screening tools.
We were able to immediately come down to a list of about 100 to look at more closely, and it was right in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this indicates there is a very strong chance that after they were exposed by their tenured math professor (which quite honestly was extremely damning) they did their own audit and my gut tells me that the truth is much worse than what he uncovered. Otherwise, they would just come clean with the reality. That they didn't come back from his damning accusations and keep it real, indicates to me that there is a highly likely chance that the facts were way worse than what the math professor unearthed.

Columbia know how bad their real stats are. That’s why they’re trotting out “USNWR will downgrade us even more to make an example out of us.”

Yes, this is what they’re hoping people assume, when they see the rankings later this year.

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Much like USNWR cannot verify 80% of information submitted by colleges. Colleges cannot verify much of the list of ECs and awards submitted by applicants. Just seems like a weird system overall.

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Anonymous wrote:Much like USNWR cannot verify 80% of information submitted by colleges. Colleges cannot verify much of the list of ECs and awards submitted by applicants. Just seems like a weird system overall.

LOL exactly, yet they say test optional
totally WTF

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Anonymous wrote:Much like USNWR cannot verify 80% of information submitted by colleges. Colleges cannot verify much of the list of ECs and awards submitted by applicants. Just seems like a weird system overall.

LOL exactly, yet they say test optional
totally WTF

+1. Now the test scores are going to be based on the 98th percentile that actually bothers to send in their scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

Please shut up and stop spreading incorrect information.

From Columbia's SGS homepage: https://www.gs.columbia.edu/
"The School of General Studies of Columbia University is the finest liberal arts college in the United States created specifically for returning and nontraditional students seeking a rigorous, traditional, Ivy League undergraduate degree full or part time."

Lmao that self-description is so embarrassing

PP has no connection to ivies, so not sure why s/he is so invested in Columbia. Creepy.

+1. I found the description inspiring, and I have no connection to GS.

Yale graduated its first prison-student general studies student. A world that believes in second chances is the world I want to live in.

I can’t believe you were so gullible as to fall for that cheap PR stunt. Obviously it works on a few people

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

Please shut up and stop spreading incorrect information.

From Columbia's SGS homepage: https://www.gs.columbia.edu/
"The School of General Studies of Columbia University is the finest liberal arts college in the United States created specifically for returning and nontraditional students seeking a rigorous, traditional, Ivy League undergraduate degree full or part time."

Lmao that self-description is so embarrassing

PP has no connection to ivies, so not sure why s/he is so invested in Columbia. Creepy.

+1. I found the description inspiring, and I have no connection to GS.

Yale graduated its first prison-student general studies student. A world that believes in second chances is the world I want to live in.

I can’t believe you were so gullible as to fall for that cheap PR stunt. Obviously it works on a few people

The Columbia crisis management PR is falling flat though. There is only so much PR can do when Columbia's real numbers are humiliating enough that they had to drop out.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

Please shut up and stop spreading incorrect information.

From Columbia's SGS homepage: https://www.gs.columbia.edu/
"The School of General Studies of Columbia University is the finest liberal arts college in the United States created specifically for returning and nontraditional students seeking a rigorous, traditional, Ivy League undergraduate degree full or part time."

Lmao that self-description is so embarrassing

PP has no connection to ivies, so not sure why s/he is so invested in Columbia. Creepy.

+1. I found the description inspiring, and I have no connection to GS.

Yale graduated its first prison-student general studies student. A world that believes in second chances is the world I want to live in.

I can’t believe you were so gullible as to fall for that cheap PR stunt. Obviously it works on a few people

The Columbia crisis management PR is falling flat though. There is only so much PR can do when Columbia's real numbers are humiliating enough that they had to drop out.

Omg get a life.

I’m sure Columbia’s President is quaking in his boots that some rando on a mom’s website is making up stuff about “real” numbers.

Get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

Please shut up and stop spreading incorrect information.

From Columbia's SGS homepage: https://www.gs.columbia.edu/
"The School of General Studies of Columbia University is the finest liberal arts college in the United States created specifically for returning and nontraditional students seeking a rigorous, traditional, Ivy League undergraduate degree full or part time."

Lmao that self-description is so embarrassing

PP has no connection to ivies, so not sure why s/he is so invested in Columbia. Creepy.

+1. I found the description inspiring, and I have no connection to GS.

Yale graduated its first prison-student general studies student. A world that believes in second chances is the world I want to live in.

I can’t believe you were so gullible as to fall for that cheap PR stunt. Obviously it works on a few people

The Columbia crisis management PR is falling flat though. There is only so much PR can do when Columbia's real numbers are humiliating enough that they had to drop out.

Omg get a life.

I’m sure Columbia’s President is quaking in his boots that some rando on a mom’s website is making up stuff about “real” numbers.

Get a life.

DP here—but look beyond DCUM. The discourse is much the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

Please shut up and stop spreading incorrect information.

From Columbia's SGS homepage: https://www.gs.columbia.edu/
"The School of General Studies of Columbia University is the finest liberal arts college in the United States created specifically for returning and nontraditional students seeking a rigorous, traditional, Ivy League undergraduate degree full or part time."

Lmao that self-description is so embarrassing

PP has no connection to ivies, so not sure why s/he is so invested in Columbia. Creepy.

+1. I found the description inspiring, and I have no connection to GS.

Yale graduated its first prison-student general studies student. A world that believes in second chances is the world I want to live in.

I can’t believe you were so gullible as to fall for that cheap PR stunt. Obviously it works on a few people

The Columbia crisis management PR is falling flat though. There is only so much PR can do when Columbia's real numbers are humiliating enough that they had to drop out.

Omg get a life.

I’m sure Columbia’s President is quaking in his boots that some rando on a mom’s website is making up stuff about “real” numbers.

Get a life.

DP here—but look beyond DCUM. The discourse is much the same.

Yeah, the discussion is the same everywhere you go. Word is that Columbia is hoping to delegitimize the ranking system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CC (etc): residential life, core, all other classes.
GS: all other classes. (some residential options available, but not required).

If you are a high school senior and want a typical college experience, Columbia College (Columbia Engineering, etc) is for you.

But if you have experience beyond high school, and don't feel the need to take a lot of discussion-based classes focused on the Western canon, then GS is for you.

Again, GS students are in the same classes as other Columbia students.

Either way, your LinkedIn profile will Columbia University.

I suspect there's a lot more love for GS in NYC than outside NYC, only because so many of us have colleagues and relatives who, say, fought wars and then went to college. Or raised kids and then went to college. Or had to care for a sick parent as a 17yo and worked and then found their way back to college. Or were a young coder and was lured away with a 100k google job right out of high school and is now working their way to a degree - I have two of those in my office right now.

Anyway, nobody is forced to go to GS so you really shouldn't be scared of it if it's not for you.

You mean, be educated?

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Higher education professions and experts also have viewed Columbia as outside the top 20 and have used Columbia as an example of how incorrect the rankings have been.