Where are all the Ivy admits coming from you wonder? Dalton NYC 2023 Matriculations

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Anonymous wrote:This whole discussion is full of anger & envy & makes me want to take a hot shower & enroll at Kansas State.

That’s true for most of the threads here LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Dalton offers the most FA and has the most diverse population for an NYC TT school. These are the most desirable kids - a known quantity for diversity. Not a risk for Ivies at all. Add to that legacy and big donors and their matriculation is no surprise.

Urban poor kids have a lot of advantages compared to rural poor kids. Private day schools that offer significant FA, Prep for Prep, Posse, public transportation everywhere, city rec sports & music programs, and high-quality non-profits around to learn & practice various ECs

I'm not knocking giving them the opportunity at all, but in my experience, a lot of those scholarships and prep for prep opportunities don't go to the "urban poor," they go the children of Haitian and Jamaican immigrants who are accountants, lawyers, small business owners, etc. And I know one wasp whose kid got a free ride at a fancy private because they lived in Bushwick and the kid had her father's last name.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link for Spence?

It’s really not hard to find these.

https://www.instagram.com/spence24seniors?igsh=MWxhaTh2bjVxbjk4YQ==

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it's kind of interesting to see that there are quite a few Indian and Asian surnames are in the Dalton group. That suggests that these are not WASP types with old money. So the parents of these Dalton kids were able to break into the upper echelons somehow, probably through sheer hard work, determination, and intelligence.

it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

This subset of asian immigrants you're talking about who migrate to the northeast are WEALTHY AF.

This myth of the immigrant coming here with $6 is so outdated and archaic.

Right?! I look at where Christie's is advertising their sales and it's always singapore and HK. I went to college with guy from HK and he bought his wife a 1+ million emerald ring and it was not her engagement, just cocktail. We're not very old.

Asian American from NYC here. I grew up with the rich Asians in NY and went to college and grad school with them.

I find the Asians in the DMV are not the rich Asian types from Asia. DH and I both come from humble beginnings but now have a seven figure HHI. We live a very UMC lifestyle, nothing like the rich Asians we knew in college.

I think many Asians in living near Flushing and Sunset Park would say there are plenty of poor Asians in NYC. The fact is that some of the poorest demographics in NYC are Chinese immigrants.
NYC is an outlier in socioeconomic representation. There is extreme wealth and extreme poverty in this city regardless of racial background.
But yes, NYC attracts more wealthy Asians with a family business in Macau than, say, Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link for Spence?

It’s really not hard to find these.

https://www.instagram.com/spence24seniors?igsh=MWxhaTh2bjVxbjk4YQ==

Wow, the incoming head of Morgan Stanley’s daughter is going to Harvard! What breaking news.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link for Spence?

It’s really not hard to find these.

https://www.instagram.com/spence24seniors?igsh=MWxhaTh2bjVxbjk4YQ==

Wow, the incoming head of Morgan Stanley’s daughter is going to Harvard! What breaking news.

Last year 6 girls out of 60 from Spence attended Harvard. Two are regular kids and the rest are kids with very recognizable last names.

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Multitudes of kids from the NE boarding schools are going to the Ivies too.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link for Spence?

It’s really not hard to find these.

https://www.instagram.com/spence24seniors?igsh=MWxhaTh2bjVxbjk4YQ==

God bless DCUM. Helpful, but a lovely dash of insult as well.

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With hundreds of kids competing at JO’s per event I assure you this is not a great way to get into college.

Compare this against tens if not hundreds of thousands of students playing a more common sport like football or basketball. The competition is literally multiple orders of magnitude worse if you’re trying to use them as a backdoor to ivies.

To be a recruited athlete for football, basketball, or track you need to be an incredibly talented superhuman who won the genetic lottery. For fencing, squash, or rowing you need to be wealthy and somewhat(but not necessarily extremely) athletically gifted.

Huh? I have not seen this for football players with Ivy offers. They have been good football players but not absolutely outstanding / amazing. It's not the same as being recruited to MI, OSU, TN, etc. DCUM kids do not play football, though, do they?

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Anonymous wrote:not sure exactly where the kids of Katie Holmes, Sarah Jessica Parker, Emily Blunt, Drew Barrymore, Tina Fey go.

LOL. Actresses are not the wealthiest and most influential people in NYC. They are also not the most educated. Sarah Jessica Parker and Drew Barrymore did not go to college. NYC has over 100 billionaires, including Michael Bloomberg (who has donated heavily to his alma mater Johns Hopkins).

Either way, NYC takes wealth to a new level over most of the elite DCUM private day schools. These are the people paying $100K for SAT test prep and another $100K for a college counselor starting in 8th grade. There are plenty of $50-60K+ day schools in NYC area and majority of those kids goal is elite universities, with many getting in. Hard not to have the right resume when you started preschool on 3rd base (at a $50K/year preschool) and all the help/assistance possibly needed during the next 15+ years.

Nobody anywhere is paying 100k for test prep.

This is not true. My friend’s tutor was $750/hour. Let me use another point of comparison: I belong to a concierge doctor in DC. I pay $2500. My NYC friend pays $60k for her concierge service. My CC cost $85k. She belongs to four and each costs about $300k-$800k. My house is prob worth $3mm. Her apartment is worth $20mm. I fly economy plus or business if I can stomach it. She flies first or private. There really is no comparison. The levels of wealth in NY are in another stratosphere. She is the average among my friends.

I also won’t go into what they are doing in NY to get their kids in. Letters from board members is just the baseline. Phone calls from major people, money/donations/etc are on the regular. No one is leaving anything to chance. Plus the NY kids really perform at the colleges because they have already been performing at that level in life in terms of exposure and level of energy. That said they have the same amount of mental health issues that kids anywhere have! But I find that mostly they are more resilient and have a greater sense that they can get thru anything. They just carry on. Mostly because they know they’re parents will always help.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the baby/kid photos. At least one is a tip-off that the kid is a legacy.

Very likely many of these kids are legacy

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Anonymous wrote:not sure exactly where the kids of Katie Holmes, Sarah Jessica Parker, Emily Blunt, Drew Barrymore, Tina Fey go.

LOL. Actresses are not the wealthiest and most influential people in NYC. They are also not the most educated. Sarah Jessica Parker and Drew Barrymore did not go to college. NYC has over 100 billionaires, including Michael Bloomberg (who has donated heavily to his alma mater Johns Hopkins).

Either way, NYC takes wealth to a new level over most of the elite DCUM private day schools. These are the people paying $100K for SAT test prep and another $100K for a college counselor starting in 8th grade. There are plenty of $50-60K+ day schools in NYC area and majority of those kids goal is elite universities, with many getting in. Hard not to have the right resume when you started preschool on 3rd base (at a $50K/year preschool) and all the help/assistance possibly needed during the next 15+ years.

Nobody anywhere is paying 100k for test prep.

This is not true. My friend’s tutor was $750/hour. Let me use another point of comparison: I belong to a concierge doctor in DC. I pay $2500. My NYC friend pays $60k for her concierge service. My CC cost $85k. She belongs to four and each costs about $300k-$800k. My house is prob worth $3mm. Her apartment is worth $20mm. I fly economy plus or business if I can stomach it. She flies first or private. There really is no comparison. The levels of wealth in NY are in another stratosphere. She is the average among my friends.

I also won’t go into what they are doing in NY to get their kids in. Letters from board members is just the baseline. Phone calls from major people, money/donations/etc are on the regular. No one is leaving anything to chance. Plus the NY kids really perform at the colleges because they have already been performing at that level in life in terms of exposure and level of energy. That said they have the same amount of mental health issues that kids anywhere have! But I find that mostly they are more resilient and have a greater sense that they can get thru anything. They just carry on. Mostly because they know they’re parents will always help.

I am intrigued by all of this…

What does “CC” stand for?? I hope not college counselor…???

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Anonymous wrote:not sure exactly where the kids of Katie Holmes, Sarah Jessica Parker, Emily Blunt, Drew Barrymore, Tina Fey go.

LOL. Actresses are not the wealthiest and most influential people in NYC. They are also not the most educated. Sarah Jessica Parker and Drew Barrymore did not go to college. NYC has over 100 billionaires, including Michael Bloomberg (who has donated heavily to his alma mater Johns Hopkins).

Either way, NYC takes wealth to a new level over most of the elite DCUM private day schools. These are the people paying $100K for SAT test prep and another $100K for a college counselor starting in 8th grade. There are plenty of $50-60K+ day schools in NYC area and majority of those kids goal is elite universities, with many getting in. Hard not to have the right resume when you started preschool on 3rd base (at a $50K/year preschool) and all the help/assistance possibly needed during the next 15+ years.

Nobody anywhere is paying 100k for test prep.

This is not true. My friend’s tutor was $750/hour. Let me use another point of comparison: I belong to a concierge doctor in DC. I pay $2500. My NYC friend pays $60k for her concierge service. My CC cost $85k. She belongs to four and each costs about $300k-$800k. My house is prob worth $3mm. Her apartment is worth $20mm. I fly economy plus or business if I can stomach it. She flies first or private. There really is no comparison. The levels of wealth in NY are in another stratosphere. She is the average among my friends.

I also won’t go into what they are doing in NY to get their kids in. Letters from board members is just the baseline. Phone calls from major people, money/donations/etc are on the regular. No one is leaving anything to chance. Plus the NY kids really perform at the colleges because they have already been performing at that level in life in terms of exposure and level of energy. That said they have the same amount of mental health issues that kids anywhere have! But I find that mostly they are more resilient and have a greater sense that they can get thru anything. They just carry on. Mostly because they know they’re parents will always help.

I am intrigued by all of this…

What does “CC” stand for?? I hope not college counselor…???

Country club

[Anonymous]

Any analysis of DC vs NYC or public vs private, much less DC private or public vs NYC private is useless unless the analysis is adjusted for population overall, class (sample size), number of applications submitted/number of rejections, etc.

Comparing # of admits from various schools to others isn’t really useful without having that contextual information.

For starters, it makes sense that a metropolitan area that is 3.5x as large has more admissions to all schools. Schools such as Dalton or Collegiate have the luxury of selecting the most likely Ivy-bound students from a huge population every year they create their classes.

But, once you adjust for some of the factors you can adjust for with the info available, if it still skews heavily toward NYC privates, I’d start looking at it from another direction. Why are the Ivies so bad at finding great students from Missouri or DC or West Virginia or wherever? Does the idea that the students who can succeed at Ivies predominantly come from the same places year after year really hold water? I think some of these assumptions need to be challenged if the Ivies are going to turn around and lecture the rest of us on DE&I.

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Anonymous wrote:not sure exactly where the kids of Katie Holmes, Sarah Jessica Parker, Emily Blunt, Drew Barrymore, Tina Fey go.

LOL. Actresses are not the wealthiest and most influential people in NYC. They are also not the most educated. Sarah Jessica Parker and Drew Barrymore did not go to college. NYC has over 100 billionaires, including Michael Bloomberg (who has donated heavily to his alma mater Johns Hopkins).

Either way, NYC takes wealth to a new level over most of the elite DCUM private day schools. These are the people paying $100K for SAT test prep and another $100K for a college counselor starting in 8th grade. There are plenty of $50-60K+ day schools in NYC area and majority of those kids goal is elite universities, with many getting in. Hard not to have the right resume when you started preschool on 3rd base (at a $50K/year preschool) and all the help/assistance possibly needed during the next 15+ years.

Nobody anywhere is paying 100k for test prep.

This is not true. My friend’s tutor was $750/hour. Let me use another point of comparison: I belong to a concierge doctor in DC. I pay $2500. My NYC friend pays $60k for her concierge service. My CC cost $85k. She belongs to four and each costs about $300k-$800k. My house is prob worth $3mm. Her apartment is worth $20mm. I fly economy plus or business if I can stomach it. She flies first or private. There really is no comparison. The levels of wealth in NY are in another stratosphere. She is the average among my friends.

I also won’t go into what they are doing in NY to get their kids in. Letters from board members is just the baseline. Phone calls from major people, money/donations/etc are on the regular. No one is leaving anything to chance. Plus the NY kids really perform at the colleges because they have already been performing at that level in life in terms of exposure and level of energy. That said they have the same amount of mental health issues that kids anywhere have! But I find that mostly they are more resilient and have a greater sense that they can get thru anything. They just carry on. Mostly because they know they’re parents will always help.

lol. Wealthy NYC private school kids performing at some elite level in college, post grad, and life in general just isn’t my experience at all. All of the financial expenditure may be true (though isn’t anywhere close to the norm in even that set - for starters the entire class at dalton doesn’t live in 20M apartments or come from that sort of extreme wealth) but seeing that outlay translate to results in actual meritorious performance metrics is straining credulity.