Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous
Now imagine all your pissed-off feelings and the loss of family members. And on top of that, imagine that a) you are unable to fly directly anywhere in the world except a few unpopular destinations, b) your credit cards stop working anywhere except the US, c) 50% of modern conveniences like Netflix are gone, d) American athletes are barred from sporting competitions, e) American cultural figures are not wanted anywhere, f) Americans working abroad lose jobs or are forced to disavow American government as a condition of employment, f) many countries close their borders to Americans and expel Americans currently there, g) on and on. I think the calculation of "who was punished more" is already a foregone conclusion. |
Anonymous
I also note that half a million dead Iraqis and an utterly destroyed country of Iraq do not figure in your deliberations one bit.. |
Anonymous
Yes they do. That war was a big mistake and lots of Americans feel the same. Is Putin's war a bigger mistake? Maybe. i really don't know. They both suck and both countries should never have invaded |
Anonymous
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America lost about 12,000 service members and contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq in 20 years of war.
That is about an average week for Russia in Ukraine. Best investment the west has made since taking baywatch globally into syndication. |
Anonymous
I don't know what that means. Get out of Iraq. Get out of Ukraine |
Anonymous
Sigh. You are nothing if not persistent, Comrade Trollski. Let’s talk about the city of Kherson, shall we? Butter pack your bags if you a Russian occupied in Ukraine. Your time there is winding down. |
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Anonymous
| You English bad |
Anonymous
Should the US be paying government salaries and pensions in Ukraine? |
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Should the US be paying government salaries and pensions in Ukraine?
That's myopic thinking. Supporting stability in post-war Germany and Japan has paid dividends for Americans for generations. Same in South Korea. Chaos is expensive. Peace and order is lucrative for everyone. Ukraine is no different. |
Anonymous
Any source for 12000 a week? That would mean they've lost about a million soldiers. |
Anonymous
| What does 'Ukraine victory' mean, which the OP said is inevitable. |
Anonymous
No. 52 x 12000 is 624,000. Which is probably realistic for killed, wounded, captured or fled the country for Russia. Russia probably has close to 120,000 KIA, another 300,000 wounded (they typically kill their wounded so KIA are higher, wounded lower). Moscow university used to be good a basic math. Or Beijing or Tehran- they are all the same. |
Anonymous
It was a nice try. 0.5M is an imaginary number. Iraqi civilian deaths: 182,272 — 204,575 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-people-have-been-killed-in-iraq-and-afghanistan#244124-266427-civilians-5 As far as deaths actually caused by US troops, there are documented incidents adding up to about a thousand, but the remainder were Iraqi-on-Iraqi deaths from Civil War, coalition and insurgent military action, sectarian violence and increased criminal violence. "Our findings indicate that IED explosions contributed to 31% of civilian deaths, while direct fire contributed to 7% of civilian deaths. A comparison of how civilian deaths related to insurgent and allied intent shows that more civilians were killed by insurgents than by allied troops. Surprisingly, however, nonmilitary murder accounted for 49% of civilian deaths." https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1067&context=jpur What this means is that collateral damage by US forces could not exceed 18,277 to 20,457 - and this is the high water mark. Although war deaths are always murky (did the bullet come from Army A or Army B?), one estimate is approximately 14,330 civilian deaths were attributable towards Coalition forces. "According to Iraq Body Count, which has been keeping track of fatality reports since the onset of hostilities in 2003, of the approximately 119,400 documented civilian deaths between the beginning of the war and the US' withdrawal, 14,330 were a result of Coalition actions." https://www.quora.com/How-many-Iraqi-civilians-did-the-U-S-Army-kill-in-the-Iraq-War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War Note that the 14,330 killed by "Coalition action" includes non-US troops. The estimates I've seen about US troops killing civilians are by far (a) accidental / incidental death reports, and (b) are less than about 2,000. Although 2,000 civilian deaths are admittedly unfortunate and not acceptable from the US military POV, it is certainly not the 0.5M that the poster (e.g. the lying sack of poo) falsely claimed. It is understandable that internet searches will produce unverifiable articles with this false narrative. Russian propaganda does try to push the narrative of the Iraq War as the US equivalent of Russia's Afghanistan, but it's not a very good analogy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHdpjqLER1c https://russiaun.ru/en/news/pressconf_200323 "About two million Afghan civilians were killed." https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War Although it's unclear the percentage of Afghan civilians killed by Russian soldiers vs Coalition forces, from the actions of Russian forces actively targeting Ukrainian civilians, it's far more plausible that the majority of civilian Afghan deaths were at the hands of Russian soldiers. One additional point - after seeing the association between Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller staff and Cheney's office, given that the US-Iraq War was initiated by Republicans, I have to wonder if the pot could have been stirred by the pro-Russian / subversive crowd seeking to weaken the US? |
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Just to comment on the idea of "Ukrainian victory" - if you include propaganda victory - they've already won.
Russia, once regarded as a premier superpower, has been humiliated with *literally* their top diplomat laughed at while on public stage and leader branded a criminal. China is even carving up the Far East while Russia is bogged down in an un-winnable war. Even if tomorrow, Ukraine magically flips sides and swears allegiance to Russia, the chance of Russia invading another Former Soviet Union country is low. It's to the point that Poland, once regarded as not militarily adept, could stage a sizable force that could even threaten Moscow itself. The only question now is, how much more will Russia lose? |
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Russian propaganda harps on the US Iraq war (leaving the impression it's an active war), so if the poster is writing from Russia, they may not know that the US pulled out and only has 2,500 "advise-and-assist" troops left?
https://www.grid.news/story/global/2023/01/09/in-a-new-era-of-global-conflict-us-troops-are-deployed-in-dozens-of-countries-where-are-they-and-why/ |