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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So you’re saying they only have anti ship ones? And you’re saying they can destroy everything if they wanted but it’s “expensive? Lol the logic is amazing. Wake up and realize we are caught up in another decades long war. [/quote]

“We” aren’t caught up in anything.
Ukraine is defending itself from a foreign invader.
I sleep great at night knowing which side I support. [/quote]

How was your sleep twenty years ago when we invaded Iraq? Did you sleep well then?

Maybe your sleep quality just isn’t a great indicator you think it is.[/quote]

No.  The war in Iraq was a scam and plenty of people know it and say it.  That is a dumb argument.[/quote]

It’s not true that plenty of people said it “at the time”. Mainstream media on both sides cheered it on, and there was never really any mea culpa about it. There isn’t now, either. [/quote]

Says you.   In any case.   Russia invaded Ukraine for some stupid reason and it was a mistake.  I would say the same for the war in Iraq.   Us made a big mistake [/quote]

Both are mistakes but the fallout was markedly different, don’t you think?[/quote]

Further enrich us defense contractors?  Seems similar.  Don't know why Russia and china want to do that but I am ignorant of these things.  Maybe someone gets a kickback or something?[/quote]

There were no consequences whatsoever to the American statesmen and war cheerleaders. And certainly not to average Americans. [/quote]

It was a boondoggle for defense contractors and they got a lot of our money.   Now they are getting a lot of money again.   Why Putin wants to make them even more rich and powerful is a mystery. He seems to be getting nothing at all.  It is hard to understand.[/quote]

You're deliberately avoiding the issue. The Iraq war was just as illegal and much, much bloodier than the one in Ukraine.  The amount of propaganda and lies the American state machinery has pumped into it was just as revolting.  Yet America the state was never held accountable for this criminal war in whatever passes for "international community".  There were no sanctions, no prosecutions, no warrants. Not even domestically! No one lost their jobs on account of pushing the nation into war.  Not a single journalist or government official had to hang their head in shame.  [/quote]

How am I avoiding any issue?  I don't understand the point of either conflict except as a way to enrich folks making guns and bombs and tanks etc.   That is who benefits as best I can figure out [/quote]

By refusing to acknowledge that Americans were never punished for the Iraq war - an enterprise just as criminal and much bloodier than the current invasion of Ukraine.  [/quote]

I am pissed off that my money got spent on that and that it was a con.  I did not lose any family members but many families did.    I don't know the exact calculation of who is punished more for the sins of their leaders ..the average American or the average Russian.  [/quote]

Now imagine all your pissed-off feelings and the loss of family members.  And on top of that, imagine that a) you are unable to fly directly anywhere in the world except a few unpopular destinations, b) your credit cards stop working anywhere except the US, c) 50% of modern conveniences like Netflix are gone, d) American athletes are barred from sporting competitions, e) American cultural figures are not wanted anywhere, f) Americans working abroad lose jobs or are forced to disavow American government as a condition of employment, f) many countries close their borders to Americans and expel Americans currently there, g) on and on.   I think the calculation of "who was punished more" is already a foregone conclusion. [/quote]

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