Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Unfortunately, this is simply not true. First hand experience.

Tulane is a harder admit than Wake. Wake students typically have higher gpas but that's it. Tulane students have higher test scores, and a VASTLY lower acceptance rate.

What can I tell you, at our private, the student Tulane takes is from a lower tier of the class than the students Wake takes and it has been that way for a while.

+1 Tulane is not a harder admit than Wake. It may be more popular, but it tends to take lower ranked academic kids. Of which there are many who apply.

Tulane has higher test scores before it became test optional. In fact despite being test optional for decades Wake still had lower test scores. Combine that with the very high acceptance rate. Wake booster were just trying to equate it to Emory just a second ago, thats how delusional you guys are.

Emory is ranked 22 and Wake 29 so not that crazy, the Emory booster is claiming they are the same as Vandy, which is ranked 11 spots ahead. But what was actually said is that Wake has been very hot the past two years while Emory apps are constant, and one can conclude that Wake is gaining ground.

The gap between Emory is Wake is more than what Usnews indicates. Look at their global ranking. Its much easier to increase you applications when you only receive 17,000 vs Emorys 30,000+. And Wake is declining where it matters most, the rankings, you admitted that. So I don't know what "ground" you're talking about. Also Vandy is 9 spots ahead on USnews.

Usnews
Vandy-13
Emory-22
Wake-29

USnews Global
Emory-72
Vandy-78
Wake- 464

WSJ/Times
Vandy- 15
Emory- 20
Wake-64

QS us ranking
Emory-22
Vandy-28
Wake- 85

See why I'm confused as to why Wake is ranked so high on USnews? Because that's its only high ranking. It doesn't make sense. Emory and Vandy are ranked near each other on close to all rankings.

+1 Thank you pp. DCUers always become silent when you give them facts for their feelings. Wake is very much overrated by us news compared to other much more popular schools.

I don’t see any facts here. All I see are alternative rankings that pp prefers.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Unfortunately, this is simply not true. First hand experience.

Tulane is a harder admit than Wake. Wake students typically have higher gpas but that's it. Tulane students have higher test scores, and a VASTLY lower acceptance rate.

Wake is more highly ranked than Tulane. Tulane is a party school that private school kids who can't get into tippy top schools go to.

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This discussion has become irrelevant as B students from Big 3 schools are not getting in to Wake Forest or Tulane anyway. Those days have long gone. I know kids from Big 3 schools this year who applied ED to these schools and were rejected. Times have changed.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Unfortunately, this is simply not true. First hand experience.

Tulane is a harder admit than Wake. Wake students typically have higher gpas but that's it. Tulane students have higher test scores, and a VASTLY lower acceptance rate.

Wake is more highly ranked than Tulane. Tulane is a party school that private school kids who can't get into tippy top schools go to.

Both are great schools, but the same profile kid is getting into either school in ED. In 2022, Tulane 50% SAT 1410-1500 and ACT 31-34. These are really smart kids that could 100% get into Wake Forest ED. The Tulane kids prefer a bigger school in a vibrant city over a more preppy school in a smaller city. Tulane is not filled with a bunch of idiot drunks. DCUM is so ridiculous sometimes. I agree that it’s much harder to get into either school this year if you are a B student.

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I know B students who got into each of Tulane and Wake ED from our mcps high school this year. I also know A students who did. I suspect both schools are populated with many smart and well rounded kids but for some reason these colleges are easier entry during the ED round (I know most colleges are easier in that round, but these two seem markedly easier in the ED round vs peer schools, see my point re: the B students from MCPS) so they are targeted by full pay students who can get this advice from a college counselor.

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Anonymous wrote:I know B students who got into each of Tulane and Wake ED from our mcps high school this year. I also know A students who did. I suspect both schools are populated with many smart and well rounded kids but for some reason these colleges are easier entry during the ED round (I know most colleges are easier in that round, but these two seem markedly easier in the ED round vs peer schools, see my point re: the B students from MCPS) so they are targeted by full pay students who can get this advice from a college counselor.

Not Big-3.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Unfortunately, this is simply not true. First hand experience.

Tulane is a harder admit than Wake. Wake students typically have higher gpas but that's it. Tulane students have higher test scores, and a VASTLY lower acceptance rate.

Wake is more highly ranked than Tulane. Tulane is a party school that private school kids who can't get into tippy top schools go to.

Both are great schools, but the same profile kid is getting into either school in ED. In 2022, Tulane 50% SAT 1410-1500 and ACT 31-34. These are really smart kids that could 100% get into Wake Forest ED. The Tulane kids prefer a bigger school in a vibrant city over a more preppy school in a smaller city. Tulane is not filled with a bunch of idiot drunks. DCUM is so ridiculous sometimes. I agree that it’s much harder to get into either school this year if you are a B student.

New to this thread and perplexed by the Tulane defender here. It's a fun school and fortunately a big name, so I am sure your kid will do great there and when they graduate. But the facts are the facts. It simply is not as hard to get into as Wake. From our school, for many years, and including this one, the middle of the class to even 60th percentile on down apply and get accepted to Tulane. It is a safety for those who don't get into Wake. Listen, my kid can't get into either, so dog in this fight, but it's the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has become irrelevant as B students from Big 3 schools are not getting in to Wake Forest or Tulane anyway. Those days have long gone. I know kids from Big 3 schools this year who applied ED to these schools and were rejected. Times have changed.

I know B students from Big3 (in fact a number of Cs' with those Bs) students who were accepted to Tulane this year. They were guys--probably makes a big difference as Tulane has an almost 60/40 female/male ratio.

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We know several kids who were not super strong students who got into Tulane ED if the accepted a first semester abroad, start in NO in Feb.

I believe the top SLACs give a boost to private school grades because they want more of those families who have a tradition of giving in their alumni. I went to a top 10 slac from public school, all the boarding school kids got to skip the 101 classes - but public schools w/ AP credit did not, by sophmore year, the public school kids who had had higher GPA and SATs did way better than the weighted up boarding school group.

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Anonymous wrote:I know B students who got into each of Tulane and Wake ED from our mcps high school this year. I also know A students who did. I suspect both schools are populated with many smart and well rounded kids but for some reason these colleges are easier entry during the ED round (I know most colleges are easier in that round, but these two seem markedly easier in the ED round vs peer schools, see my point re: the B students from MCPS) so they are targeted by full pay students who can get this advice from a college counselor.

Not Big-3.

I know, but Tulane and Wake understand private school grading and if anything both favor private schools, so if I know B students from mcps who got into both it stands to reason that B students from “big 3” (which per this board, is basically equivalent to A students in mcps) would easily get in.

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Anonymous wrote:We know several kids who were not super strong students who got into Tulane ED if the accepted a first semester abroad, start in NO in Feb.

I believe the top SLACs give a boost to private school grades because they want more of those families who have a tradition of giving in their alumni. I went to a top 10 slac from public school, all the boarding school kids got to skip the 101 classes - but public schools w/ AP credit did not, by sophmore year, the public school kids who had had higher GPA and SATs did way better than the weighted up boarding school group.

This is Tulane's trick to having higher reported stats, the CDS reports Freshman Fall first time admission stats only.

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Anonymous wrote:I know B students who got into each of Tulane and Wake ED from our mcps high school this year. I also know A students who did. I suspect both schools are populated with many smart and well rounded kids but for some reason these colleges are easier entry during the ED round (I know most colleges are easier in that round, but these two seem markedly easier in the ED round vs peer schools, see my point re: the B students from MCPS) so they are targeted by full pay students who can get this advice from a college counselor.

Not Big-3.

I know, but Tulane and Wake understand private school grading and if anything both favor private schools, so if I know B students from mcps who got into both it stands to reason that B students from “big 3” (which per this board, is basically equivalent to A students in mcps) would easily get in.

Well, your reasoning is simply wrong.

DC - Big 3 student, 3.3 GPA, high 1400s SAT, outstanding ECs

Rejected Wake ED. Accepted Tulane ED.

What more do you need to know?

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Unfortunately, this is simply not true. First hand experience.

Tulane is a harder admit than Wake. Wake students typically have higher gpas but that's it. Tulane students have higher test scores, and a VASTLY lower acceptance rate.

Wake is more highly ranked than Tulane. Tulane is a party school that private school kids who can't get into tippy top schools go to.

Just FYI, DCUM has officially retired the term "tippy top." You must have missed the memo.

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Anonymous wrote:I know B students who got into each of Tulane and Wake ED from our mcps high school this year. I also know A students who did. I suspect both schools are populated with many smart and well rounded kids but for some reason these colleges are easier entry during the ED round (I know most colleges are easier in that round, but these two seem markedly easier in the ED round vs peer schools, see my point re: the B students from MCPS) so they are targeted by full pay students who can get this advice from a college counselor.

Not Big-3.

I know, but Tulane and Wake understand private school grading and if anything both favor private schools, so if I know B students from mcps who got into both it stands to reason that B students from “big 3” (which per this board, is basically equivalent to A students in mcps) would easily get in.

Well, your reasoning is simply wrong.

DC - Big 3 student, 3.3 GPA, high 1400s SAT, outstanding ECs

Rejected Wake ED. Accepted Tulane ED.

What more do you need to know?

2023 applicant. My DC at a Big3, same GPA, 33 ACT, great ECs - Rejected Wake ED. Rejected Tulane ED.

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Anonymous wrote:I know B students who got into each of Tulane and Wake ED from our mcps high school this year. I also know A students who did. I suspect both schools are populated with many smart and well rounded kids but for some reason these colleges are easier entry during the ED round (I know most colleges are easier in that round, but these two seem markedly easier in the ED round vs peer schools, see my point re: the B students from MCPS) so they are targeted by full pay students who can get this advice from a college counselor.

Not Big-3.

I know, but Tulane and Wake understand private school grading and if anything both favor private schools, so if I know B students from mcps who got into both it stands to reason that B students from “big 3” (which per this board, is basically equivalent to A students in mcps) would easily get in.

Well, your reasoning is simply wrong.

DC - Big 3 student, 3.3 GPA, high 1400s SAT, outstanding ECs

Rejected Wake ED. Accepted Tulane ED.

What more do you need to know?

That you should have picked mcps, I guess.

And that both you and the PP are spewing anecdotes.